tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post113993031984240453..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: The Gospel and its stepchildrenPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1140012897359020642006-02-15T06:14:00.000-08:002006-02-15T06:14:00.000-08:00"... Christ died for OUR sins according to the Scr..."... Christ died for OUR sins according to the Scriptures.." ver.3<BR/><BR/>" .. and the LORD laid on Him the iniquity of us all. <BR/>.. for the transgression of My people was He stricken." Isaiah 53: 6,8<BR/><BR/>What a powerful portion of Scripture, that Jesus the Christ, the Holy One, died for the sins of His people, The Church. Matt 1:21<BR/><BR/>What a great post to exaimne and meditate on.<BR/><BR/>I am debating this whole subject with the other elders in my church. <BR/>Please pray that I don't become a hinderance to the gospel, as I share my heart with my Arminian brothers. Thanks.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139980390212523322006-02-14T21:13:00.000-08:002006-02-14T21:13:00.000-08:00Kaffinator,We have run up against the limitations ...Kaffinator,<BR/><BR/>We have run up against the limitations of being reductionist ie. essential in our diagrams of the gospel<BR/><BR/>I'd say mine was Justification and Yours is Missional (for lack of a better term), both are there in scripture and to focus on one and neglect the other is, as you pointed out, not reflective of God's glory in Salvation. We could even go forward all the way to Glorification if we wanted to really get excited about the happy result of the Gospel. <BR/><BR/>Its all worth meditating on and reveling in, is it not?marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10158311614104904363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139949684926149972006-02-14T12:41:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:41:00.000-08:00Smiles. The California raisin industry, actually ...Smiles. The California raisin industry, actually preaching the gospel.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139948915382362852006-02-14T12:28:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:28:00.000-08:00Kent -- you sayin' we're all God's li'l raisins?Da...<B>Kent</B> -- you sayin' we're all God's li'l raisins?<BR/><BR/>DanDJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139947967943614932006-02-14T12:12:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:12:00.000-08:00I think it might be "since he rose" and we will "r...I think it might be "since he rose" and we will "rise," or risen or razed or rozed.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139947814019959582006-02-14T12:10:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:10:00.000-08:00Sure Frank. I agree. Because he raised from the ...Sure Frank. I agree. Because he raised from the dead, we raise from the dead, enabling our willingness to give up the temporal stuff this world offers, and so that our labor is not in vain in Him (v. 58), although it might seem so in the eyes of a success driven society. Thanks Frank.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139947705437787622006-02-14T12:08:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:08:00.000-08:00We cannot become a part of a Body and then separat...We cannot become a part of a Body and then separate ourselves from the rest of it, and expect to live. <BR/><BR/>You may think that all you need to do is stay connected to the Head and you are all right, but when you are separating from the rest of the Body, you are also separating from the Head. <BR/><BR/>You cannot be nourished by the Head while at the same time un-sewing yourself from that which you are knit together (Colossians 2:19). We only increase with the increase of God as we are holding the Head and we stay knit together with all the joints and ligaments.<BR/><BR/>You may think that you can continue to be a part of the invisible body while at the same time declining to participate in the visible body, but you are only fooling yourself.Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139947598926291052006-02-14T12:06:00.000-08:002006-02-14T12:06:00.000-08:00Kent:You can see why this passage is such a gold m...Kent:<BR/><BR/>You can see why this passage is such a gold mine. I have been mulling it over for about a year now, and I just this week felt like I knew enough about it that I could move on the the rest of the passage which talks about the resurrection as the cornerstone of Christian hope.<BR/><BR/>I welcome your comments on the issues you have raised. They are absolutely in the dead center of this discussion.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139945785326953512006-02-14T11:36:00.000-08:002006-02-14T11:36:00.000-08:00Great post!Is the church essensial to the gospel? ...Great post!<BR/><BR/>Is the church essensial to the gospel? If so, why? The church is the body of Christ and Christ is the Head of this body (Eph. 5:23; Col. 1:18). Furthermore, He is the Savior of this Body (Eph. 5:23) because He died for the church (Eph.5:25).<BR/><BR/>Herein lies the problem. The average person in the local church believes the church is a work of man or born of human merit. Wrong! The church is not the body of man, the church is the living body of our Lord. <BR/><BR/>Therefore, since the church is THE body of Christ, the church is an essenial of the gospel.maranatha manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08608380264094579581noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139945646143783462006-02-14T11:34:00.000-08:002006-02-14T11:34:00.000-08:00I have no problem melding the Gospel down to a few...I have no problem melding the Gospel down to a few terms, even as the Lord melds down the whole law to two commandments, or even one. It's obvious Paul is doing that here. However, when I expand it, foremost we must understand Who Jesus Christ (v. 3) is. For instance, He isn't the goodymeister of the church "growth" movement. He's not the rockin or honky tonk or new age Jesus of most churches today regardless of church growth. We also must define what "believed" (v. 2) is. Those are just two.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139942270743830932006-02-14T10:37:00.000-08:002006-02-14T10:37:00.000-08:00One cannot be saved without becoming a part of the...One cannot be saved without becoming a part of the body of Christ. Therefore, the church is an essential part of the gospel. Good post.Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18042761082770423304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139940994271701422006-02-14T10:16:00.000-08:002006-02-14T10:16:00.000-08:00Hey Cent, as I read this I thought of a Yancey quo...Hey Cent, as I read this I thought of a Yancey quote that says almost exactly the same thing. No kidding.<BR/><BR/>Okay, yeah I <I>am</I> kidding. But I just couldn't resist. LOL<BR/><BR/>Good stuff.Momohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292177473341691525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139939554465477212006-02-14T09:52:00.000-08:002006-02-14T09:52:00.000-08:00I'm going to perma-link to this on my site.I reall...I'm going to perma-link to this on my site.<BR/><BR/>I really wish there was more discussion about the essentials of the Gospel on the blogosphere.<BR/><BR/>If anyone sees this reply and knows of other bloggers discussing the issue I would greatly appreciate an email. You can find it on my blog, linked to in my profile.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the discussion Cent.Jeff Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02208941029480485365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139937907509265112006-02-14T09:25:00.000-08:002006-02-14T09:25:00.000-08:00Hi Marc, how about this chartlet instead:God Chri...Hi Marc, how about this chartlet instead:<BR/><BR/>God <-> Christ <-> <B>The Church</B> <-> The World<BR/><BR/>Our experience of the gospel doesn't end with a personal get-out-of-hell-free card; that in fact is merely where it <I>begins</I>. We are saved for two purposes: to worship God and to invite the world to do the same, to the praise of His glory.<BR/><BR/>I agree with the OP that we need to stop being freaked about whether we sound Roman Catholic when we refer to "Church". In Holy Scripture, church is not an ossified, monolithic hierarchy; it not a sort of museum where saved people wait to die. The Church is dynamic, living, interactive organism, in which all believers have an important part to play. So let's reclaim the word and use it in its full scriptural flavor.Kaffinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146781661881693212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139935122046973492006-02-14T08:38:00.000-08:002006-02-14T08:38:00.000-08:00I would agree that the church is essential to the ...I would agree that the church is essential to the Gospel, since the apostles found it important enough to travel to different areas and <I>start churches</I>. These gathered believers together in Christian community. The church is also important in that it makes (or should make) its members accountable--this is especially important in the spread of the Gospel and preventing the spread of heresy.Dan B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10018881780363017344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1139934682059427182006-02-14T08:31:00.000-08:002006-02-14T08:31:00.000-08:00The essentail?God Christ ManThe essentail?<BR/><BR/>God <-> Christ <-> Manmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10158311614104904363noreply@blogger.com