tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post114666483901206675..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: BibleWorks 7: a brief reviewPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84179166229587065472007-04-30T09:21:00.000-07:002007-04-30T09:21:00.000-07:00I can certainly testify that Logos has offered the...I can certainly testify that Logos has offered the best customer service than any other company with whom I have dealt, bar none! They are an excellent company that puts the customer in their top priority. As a fellow "Scholar's Library" user, it was a plus to receive those PBB books after purchasing the library. Certainly, the "tagged" text is what sold me (not being schooled in most of the abbreviations and technical theological "jargon", e.g. "BDAG" and "BDF", etc...). If you want a program that will identify this rough jargon, Logos is the software for you. I was, however, considering Bibleworks, but with the great features with Libronix Logos won me over. The only complaint is the speed, at times it can be VERY slow when using the exegetical guide for a passage (more than a few verses).<BR/><BR/>EricErichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603301089682658386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1147357824248177572006-05-11T07:30:00.000-07:002006-05-11T07:30:00.000-07:00Dan, et al,I received it over the weekend and have...Dan, et al,<BR/><BR/>I received it over the weekend and have had a good chance to get acquainted with it. I do love it and think it's worth the upgrade-- if only for the improved stability, quicker performance and additional resources.<BR/><BR/>The diagramming tool seems to do passages at a time rather than verse at a time. It may be a better way of doing it, but I still like a little more granularity. However, since v6 required me to do it all myself, I'll take this as a significant improvement.<BR/><BR/>BTW, still requiring the fonts support to work right.<BR/><BR/>-MikeMike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146956578759388732006-05-06T16:02:00.000-07:002006-05-06T16:02:00.000-07:00Did you mention it supports Unicode now, so no nee...<I>Did you mention it supports Unicode now, so no need for those proprietary fonts? </I><BR/><BR/>Er, no... no, I didn't. And the reason is... ahem. Come a little closer. No, closer.<BR/><BR/>< whisper > I still don't exactly "get" what Unicode is!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146856155180717272006-05-05T12:09:00.000-07:002006-05-05T12:09:00.000-07:00In his post, Kevin said this: Then there are of co...In his post, Kevin said this: <I>Then there are of course the comment threads that worm their way all through the Internet where biblical interpretation becomes a matter of short snippets of “prove this and establish that” and “if you don’t succumb to our {demands--striked out} requests in that regard you’re not even engaging in proper Christian dialogue about a subject”.</I><BR/><BR/>One of those comment threads is <A HREF="http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=2253&qdata=2314#posts4739" REL="nofollow">here</A>, and I was a participant. I'm still stunned that by asking Tim Enloe if he had an Scriprural basis for his assertion that "lay persons ought not criticize the clergy," I was somhow engaging in a "demand" for anything. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, Dan, thanks for your review. Did you mention it supports Unicode now, so no need for those proprietary fonts?Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146761357910347052006-05-04T09:49:00.000-07:002006-05-04T09:49:00.000-07:00Peter's Greek is OK; it's Second Peter's Greek tha...<I>Peter's</I> Greek is OK; it's <I>Second</I> Peter's Greek that's a bit challenging!<BR/><BR/>(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146756738449715102006-05-04T08:32:00.000-07:002006-05-04T08:32:00.000-07:00Which one of these programs will rid me of my part...Which one of these programs will rid me of my participial confusion and explain to me why some verbs look like past tense but are really present tense verbs. Another neat feature would be if one of them could explain why everyone couldn't use the same, beautiful, simple Greek that John used. Especially Peter.Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146749380268026812006-05-04T06:29:00.000-07:002006-05-04T06:29:00.000-07:00Mike -- I hope you love it. Unless this thread is ...<B>Mike</B> -- I hope you love it. Unless this thread is still hopping, email me when you know what you think about it.<BR/><BR/><B>Terry Lange</B> -- youo're offering to buy me Logos so I can review it? Thanks! I'll watch my mailbox! (c:<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Daniel Calle</B> -- Check my response above, where I link to two threads comparing Logos and BW7, as well as the redoubtable Joe Fleener's response.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146743206661028302006-05-04T04:46:00.000-07:002006-05-04T04:46:00.000-07:00Yep. You're right and I am talking about Lite. T...Yep. You're right and I am talking about Lite. Thanks for the clarification.Mike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146742594175763162006-05-04T04:36:00.000-07:002006-05-04T04:36:00.000-07:00Oh yes, if you are talking about Gramcord Lite, th...Oh yes, if you are talking about Gramcord Lite, then I have and use it often as well. It is the Gramcord for Windows - Desktop version which is no longer a player in the field.Joe Fleenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03651757903341534136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146740462758140552006-05-04T04:01:00.000-07:002006-05-04T04:01:00.000-07:00So, Logos has really come a long way since I last ...So, Logos has really come a long way since I last used it. I think BW is a better deal now, however. The original languages version is $100 more than BW, but then lacks the other features of BW, unless you buy yet another version of Logos to work in concert with it.<BR/><BR/>As far as Grammcord is concerned, I use their SW on my iPAQ PDA. I pretty much carry this wherever I go and rely on having their Hebrew and Greek tools handy. The costs add after a while. I've recently added Keil and Delitzsch, which probably brings me around $300 invested. I don't think this is necessarily a replacement for a desktop program due to the lack of an editor. But it's a lot like BW on the go. I know this may sound weired, but sometimes you just don't know when you'll have to defend the scriptures. Now, you can always download the NT in either NA27 or Stephanus texts for free. For $45, you get parsing, dictionary and other tools. Hebrew is a charge for even the basic BHS text. Same goes for LXX support. But there are various English versions you can download for free.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't get rid Grammcord. Again, I've come to rely on it in the field.<BR/><BR/>-MikeMike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146735315297404152006-05-04T02:35:00.000-07:002006-05-04T02:35:00.000-07:00Dan,Thanks for the comments. I will have to agree ...Dan,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comments. I will have to agree with everything said here, BW 7 is awesome.<BR/><BR/>E-Sword is a wonderful tool and I recommend it to everyone. However, it limited in that everything is driven from English. It has Greek and Hebrew, but that is not the focus.<BR/><BR/>Gramcord is not even on the radar anymore and has not been for years. It is still available, but has long been passed up - I would get E-Sword first.<BR/><BR/>As for Logos & BW: Libronix 3 (the engine that runs all your Logos resources) has some nice features compared to previous versions. However Libronix 3 offers nothing in the way of Greek/Hebrew tools unless you also purchase (or have already) the various Greek/Hebrew resources to run in this new Libronix engine. Even if you did it would be a few steps behind BW! 7.0 has put it out in the lead when it comes to original language exegetical tools.<BR/><BR/>Then you have to look at the company and service which backs the product. Spend some time on the BW forum and see how they measure up to any other software company of any kind!<BR/><BR/>Last of all they offer a full, no questions asked money back quarantee - go for it you cannot loose!Joe Fleenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03651757903341534136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146716951614487902006-05-03T21:29:00.000-07:002006-05-03T21:29:00.000-07:00I haven't used Bibleworks but with this new Logos ...I haven't used Bibleworks but with this new Logos upgrade, it's hard to imagine a better Original Languages study tool.<BR/><BR/>Spend some time on Logos.com and see for yourself.<BR/><BR/>It's been probably the most rewarding thing I've ever bought.<BR/><BR/>ps--There are ways to cut down the cost of buying Logos. I bought my package at half off because I was (and still am) a student. It was an "academic discount." <BR/><BR/>If anyone needs a reference, I'll be sure to send you an email of a sales rep who discounts their packages at half off for you.<BR/><BR/>Email me at dogfreid@gmail.comdogfreidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751614375780546890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146715982172866662006-05-03T21:13:00.000-07:002006-05-03T21:13:00.000-07:00I am learning greek in the seminary and I want to ...I am learning greek in the seminary and I want to buy a bible software. Which is best: Bibleworks or Logos?Daniel Callehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201838274181767909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146715111295159302006-05-03T20:58:00.000-07:002006-05-03T20:58:00.000-07:00Calvinist Gadfly, Thanks for that. I forgot about...Calvinist Gadfly, Thanks for that. I forgot about boot camp. I'm not much of a fan of dual booting. I love all the tools on my Mac and being able to quickly cut and paste from BW into a program is nice.<BR/><BR/>terry lange, I haven't used logos in a while. But that's what I was using when I originally switched to BW. I was so used to using the various versions in logos. But it wasn't until I got into studying and doing exegesis from the original languages that I found only BW was adequate. This may have changed by now.<BR/><BR/>-MikeMike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146713127398758112006-05-03T20:25:00.000-07:002006-05-03T20:25:00.000-07:00Yes, I did, Scott -- isn't it classic? The same s...Yes, I did, <B>Scott</B> -- isn't it classic? The same sorts are still worried about getting <I>too much Bible</I> into the hands of unwashed commoners!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146708949774024072006-05-03T19:15:00.000-07:002006-05-03T19:15:00.000-07:00Ok, that is nice about BW, but a good useful revie...Ok, that is nice about BW, but a good useful review would be to review the latest version of Logos and then do a comparison review for those of us who are "still on the bubble" between BW and Logos!?Terry Langehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14585501399585695282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146698864323299632006-05-03T16:27:00.000-07:002006-05-03T16:27:00.000-07:00I am sure you saw the link, but somehow your littl...I am sure you saw the link, but somehow your little Bibleworks post has drawn criticism from reformedcatholicism.comScott Hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11141352576274672374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146696295381561172006-05-03T15:44:00.000-07:002006-05-03T15:44:00.000-07:00Mike,I just thought of the name of it: Boot Camp. ...Mike,<BR/><BR/>I just thought of the name of it: Boot Camp. Here is some info on it<BR/><BR/>http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/Alan E. Kurschnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963783504805163298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146688553483832292006-05-03T13:35:00.000-07:002006-05-03T13:35:00.000-07:00Calvinist Gadfly, Are you referring to Parallels--...Calvinist Gadfly, <BR/><BR/>Are you referring to Parallels-- the new VM for Intel-based Macs? If so, it has really gotten quite stable as of beta5. In fact my SW prototyping has really sped up since I've gone that route. I simply launch my OS in it then shell into it using all of my native Mac tools. It's the first time in several years I've been off of doing everything under Linux. <BR/><BR/>I did have a little issue getting BW6 to completely install under this, but that may be that my disks were a little messed up. I doubt there'll be a problem with BW7.<BR/><BR/>-MikeMike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146688272254539922006-05-03T13:31:00.000-07:002006-05-03T13:31:00.000-07:00Dan,Went ahead and ordered it today. I've never r...Dan,<BR/><BR/>Went ahead and ordered it today. I've never really tried the diagramming feature in BW6, now I understand why. When I parse everything out, I find I can lay things out faster in my head than manually diagraming things using the tool. It's nice to see that v7 already has things diagramed. That will speed things up considerably to simply pull it up.<BR/><BR/>Steve, I understand the use of real books in studying. I do the same. However, I find I can parse things and look up meanings much faster with BW than I can look things up in the appropriate lexicon. This is certainly more true with the Hebrew than it is with Greek. I use my Greek daily and my Hebrew... well, it's Hebrew.<BR/><BR/>Jim Crigler, I don't know if BW7 will run under *nix or not. I have been using BW6 on Linux with both wine (no, not the beverage) and crossover office. When they released the new version of CO, it got a little flaky, but I suspect they've fixed their bugs by now.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I love my new Macbook Pro and I have BW6 running on it. When I receive BW7, I'll see if I can get it to run under wine on it. And I love the note about real computers. Just remember OS X is BSD based-- and now on an x86 CPU. Okay, don't want to get too techy.<BR/><BR/>Sojourner, I was there too. I finally gave in today for the editor reason Dan brought up. When you're parsing out lots of passages, it gets a little tedious. And I'm hoping to save more time by using their pre-diagramed tool.<BR/><BR/>-MikeMike Yhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897602903962464086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146685986576896272006-05-03T12:53:00.000-07:002006-05-03T12:53:00.000-07:00I am committing apostasy by switching from Windows...I am committing apostasy by switching from Windows to Mac, so I will be using Accordance Bible Software. But I still love my BibleWorks! With Mac's new software (I forget the name of it) you will be able to run Windows' programs (e.g. BibleWorks) on Macs.<BR/><BR/>I thought BibleWorks 7 was a good upgrade, but BibleWorks needs to get the NA27 apparatus to be a complete Bible Language program IMHO (rumor has it that they are working on it).Alan E. Kurschnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963783504805163298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146685664245537172006-05-03T12:47:00.000-07:002006-05-03T12:47:00.000-07:00$350 = £190. Hmmm. Do I really need the broken coo...$350 = £190. Hmmm. Do I really <EM>need</EM> the broken cooker replaced?....Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146682273176332362006-05-03T11:51:00.000-07:002006-05-03T11:51:00.000-07:00Logos just released version 3, which looks incredi...Logos just released version 3, which looks incredible.<BR/><BR/>Their front page has links to many videos showing off their power searching capabilities.dogfreidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751614375780546890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146682017531358452006-05-03T11:46:00.000-07:002006-05-03T11:46:00.000-07:00Over at aomin.org they have Bibleworks 7 on sale f...Over at aomin.org they have Bibleworks 7 on sale for about $350. I'm still debating, myself, between Bibleworks and Logos stuff.David Gadboishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18375984671877016361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1146680863379569262006-05-03T11:27:00.000-07:002006-05-03T11:27:00.000-07:00Look, I just saved up enough for BW6 and I am stil...Look, I just saved up enough for BW6 and I am still figuring it out, okay? Can't we at least pretend that BW6 is still cool for another year or so?Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.com