tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post115855448942386012..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Give Me Old Truth!Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158623394812811042006-09-18T16:49:00.000-07:002006-09-18T16:49:00.000-07:00Jim:Yup. I actually thought of you and your blog w...<B>Jim:</B><BR/><BR/>Yup. I actually thought of you and your blog when I made that post.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158611031038377252006-09-18T13:23:00.000-07:002006-09-18T13:23:00.000-07:00I'd like to thank both Phil and Mr. Spurgeon for p...I'd like to thank both Phil and Mr. Spurgeon for plugging my blog like this. Wait a minute . . . how did Spurgeon know what a 'blog' was? :-)<BR/><BR/>Back to the issue of "4 point Calvinists" (assuming that the odd point out is the 'L'), here's what doesn't make sense to me:<BR/><BR/>If God has elected an exact number for salvation (ie: the "U" in the tulip) does it not make sense that He has atoned for that exact number? So in other words, the people in the "U" group should be the exact same folks as those in the "L" group. Those two things would seem to run parallel.<BR/><BR/>James White has an excellent treatment of "L" (limited atonement) on his aomin.org site entitled "Was Anyone Saved at The Cross?". What does it mean to "pay for" someone(?)Jim Bublitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16888150295999667219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158607249028309982006-09-18T12:20:00.000-07:002006-09-18T12:20:00.000-07:00donsands,You're right, election is not fair. Fair...donsands,<BR/>You're right, election is not fair. Fairness would be <I>everyone</I> reaping the wages for sin. Eternal death and punishment for everyone would be fair.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16625691560372353977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158597764576173542006-09-18T09:42:00.000-07:002006-09-18T09:42:00.000-07:00Especially poignant:For wherever there is not the ...<B>Especially poignant:</B><BR/><BR/><I>For wherever there is not the old gospel we shall find "Ichabod" written upon the church walls ere long.</I><BR/><BR/>The glory departed, indeed. Also this one:<BR/><BR/><I>[...] and a kind of mongrel mixture of Arminianism and Calvinism is the delight of the present age.</I><BR/><BR/>In this latter, "mongrel" is far too polite a term.<BR/><BR/><B>Re: Dan's comment: <I>S. Lewis Johnson [... ] mentioned in passing that most people who call themselves "four-point Calvinists" aren't Calvinists at all.</I></B><BR/><BR/>I once heard RC Sproul say that everyone he had ever met who called himself a four pointer was really a zero pointer, <I>except one</I> who was a five pointer and didn't know it because he had the definition wrong of one of the points (which ISTR was "L").Jim Criglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437189788683651969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158597581943488762006-09-18T09:39:00.000-07:002006-09-18T09:39:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Jim Criglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437189788683651969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158593967287427462006-09-18T08:39:00.000-07:002006-09-18T08:39:00.000-07:00I do like that last paragraph especially.I do like that last paragraph especially.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158593246428741122006-09-18T08:27:00.000-07:002006-09-18T08:27:00.000-07:00My last pastor, who has moved on said he was a 3 p...My last pastor, who has moved on said he was a 3 pointer. The "T" the "I" and the "P".<BR/><BR/>We discussed the "I" a little.<BR/><BR/>His thought was that God does open our hearts with His irresistible grace, but after He does this, and speaks to us as it were the gospel, we still have to respond.<BR/><BR/>I said then that irresistible is resistable. We disussed it some more, and it was good. He had a very gentle spirit, and it was good to discuss Scripture with him.<BR/><BR/>Election will forever be debated because it's not fair. I believe this is what's at the root of the argument, and always will be.<BR/>God's not fair if He elects.<BR/><BR/>Hope that's not too far off subject.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158590148177050322006-09-18T07:35:00.000-07:002006-09-18T07:35:00.000-07:00Norm Geisler is a 1 point Calvinist (P) or 4 point...Norm Geisler is a 1 point Calvinist (P) or 4 point Arminian. Mongrel?James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158589442336058022006-09-18T07:24:00.000-07:002006-09-18T07:24:00.000-07:00Sorry, but that would be how do I not, not how I n...Sorry, but that would be <I>how do I not</I>, not how I not. Sounding pretty anti-intellectual myself! :)REMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285866237413113428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158589246675898812006-09-18T07:20:00.000-07:002006-09-18T07:20:00.000-07:00Grand post....with honest tongues, and know not ho...Grand post.<BR/><BR/><I>...with honest tongues, and know not how to use polished courtly phrases, are as much condemned now as those men were in their time...</I><BR/><BR/>Now, how I not allow an anti-intellectual to grab Spurgeon's words here and wreak havoc, seeing that men now honor him like Pharisees did the prophets of old? <BR/><BR/>BTW: Don't drop where I am right now.REMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18285866237413113428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158578934668318862006-09-18T04:28:00.001-07:002006-09-18T04:28:00.001-07:00"That which thundered through Scotland must thunde..."That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."<BR/><BR/>And America again as well. <BR/><BR/>"Preach the Word; be ready in season, and out of season" 2 Tim. 4:2<BR/><BR/>"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the Cross of Christ should be of no effect." 1 Cor. 1:17<BR/><BR/>The gospel is the power. Amen.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this good post from the prince of preachers.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158578917205986912006-09-18T04:28:00.000-07:002006-09-18T04:28:00.000-07:00...a kind of mongrel mixture of Arminianism and Ca...<I>...a kind of mongrel mixture of Arminianism and Calvinism is the delight of the present age</I><BR/><BR/>I'm listening to S. Lewis Johnson's lectures, and he just mentioned in passing that most people who call themselves "four-point Calvinists" aren't Calvinists at all. Ask them about free will, he says, and the truth comes out. He guesses they call themselves "four-point Calvinists" because they believe in some idea of eternal security -- though it makes no sense in their system, given their notions of free will.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158559756881802602006-09-17T23:09:00.000-07:002006-09-17T23:09:00.000-07:00A great excerpt for a Monday morning! I'm heading ...A great excerpt for a Monday morning! I'm heading for the local University this afternoon to try and evangelise. Not the happiest of hunting grounds - the spiritual darkness is almost tangible. It makes a great difference though, when we remember the "Let God be God" and take care of His own word.Colin Maxwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02632698769785766168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1158557351813078932006-09-17T22:29:00.000-07:002006-09-17T22:29:00.000-07:00Spurgeon has a way of being so nineteenth century ...Spurgeon has a way of being so nineteenth century and yet so modern all at the same time! Great post!<BR/><BR/>By the way, great job on the <A HREF="http://www.sfpulpit.com" REL="nofollow">Pulpit Magazine</A> site. The redesign looks awesome.<BR/><BR/>There's just too many good blogs on the web these days to keep up with it all. But it's a good problem to have.Alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07296210276465735482noreply@blogger.com