tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post116827900531767541..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Is Love a 4-letter word?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32390301123529708472009-05-16T15:25:00.000-07:002009-05-16T15:25:00.000-07:00I was reading Deuteronomy and saw this
Deuteronom...I was reading Deuteronomy and saw this<br /><br />Deuteronomy 11<br />26 “See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: 27 the blessing, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, 28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from the way that I am commanding you today, to go after other gods that you have not known. <br /><br />So while, yes the law is a curse if we break it, it is a blessing if we keep it (just as Chan mentioned). Thankfully, Chan followed up by saying that we have all broken it (therefore, we are cursed).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168623866170615112007-01-12T09:44:00.000-08:002007-01-12T09:44:00.000-08:00I truly like the sincere offer of God's forgivenes...I truly like the sincere offer of God's forgiveness but I must admit it strikes me as easy-believism. The word "choice" would have been fine if he would have followed it up with repent and believe(trust) in Christ for salvation. I think he tried to hint at it with the whole "you will see it in their lifestyle". It is a pre-made video and I think He could have put more effort into it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>DarrellDarrellBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04505926023442648897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168540516296950262007-01-11T10:35:00.000-08:002007-01-11T10:35:00.000-08:00DR Booker:By the logic implied in your latest comm...DR Booker:<BR/><BR/>By the logic implied in your latest comment, how do you know God loves YOU? If God's love is only consigned to his purpose in election, and no one can know who the elect are, how could you claim God's love for yourself? <BR/><BR/>Frank's point, I believe, is that using this slash-n-burn technique with God's election on God's love for the "world" (Jn. 3:16) doesn't do justice to how God reveals himself in the gospel call (right Frank?). As far as I can tell, this way of thinking calls our own salvation into question.Adam Omelianchukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02962074536479488859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168419093158881822007-01-10T00:51:00.000-08:002007-01-10T00:51:00.000-08:00Wow - quite a post. Thanks. Nothing to do with Ste...Wow - quite a post. Thanks. Nothing to do with Steve Camp, but a reflection on some discussions I've been having which this post brings to mind - I think some folk have the idea that we are supposed to teach non-Christians theology. I mean everything from justification, sanctification, you know - the system. <BR/><BR/>Looking at the <I>kerygma</I> of the 1st century church that wasn't the case. You could argue that the theology wasn't all revealed - but the point is the gospel message was effective for salvation and the gospel message is what we are called to communicate. And part of that is repentance and forgiveness of sins. Not heaping condemnation on people to engender an emotional despair, which is not conviction.<BR/><BR/>Because, to be honest, some people don't hear the real message when it is about making them <I>feel</I> awful so that they can <I>deserve</I> the love, i.e. if you really feel awful emotionally then you can have grace. But you better feel real bad or you won't deserve it.<BR/><BR/>It's works when it's mans condemnation rather than the Holy Spirit's conviction.Catezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14514176885131945814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168409191378059312007-01-09T22:06:00.000-08:002007-01-09T22:06:00.000-08:00Did he really say, "Just go - get a room with God!...Did he really say, "Just go - get a room with God!"<BR/><BR/>Where was the script co-ordinator on that one?<BR/><BR/>When he hopped up on that log I seriously thought he was going to give us a Pat Morita crane technique and then break the top of some glass bottles.The Fantastic Daughter-In-Law's Spousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08925202206358005759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168398404623110022007-01-09T19:06:00.000-08:002007-01-09T19:06:00.000-08:00FT,I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but this po...FT,<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but this point is extremely important to understand. Pastor Chan said, "God loves you and does not want to punish you."<BR/><BR/>Was that true of Pharoah? Of Esau? Of the vessels of wrath in Romans 9 "fitted for destruction?" That statement is just not true when you consider the whole of the biblical record. How do they all fit together? I'm not sure to be honest. We know that He purposed that His justice and holiness would be exalted through the condemnation of these vessels. Only by understanding this can we truly understand mercy. You said you believe God is active in reprobation. If that is so, then you maintain that God loves those He actively hardens and has made a vessel of His wrath. That hardly makes sense.<BR/><BR/>Why do we evangelize? For God's glory. If He sees fit to bless our efforts by using us as an instrument in the conversion of souls, fantastic. If He uses us to share the gospel by which sinners are further hardened, then to Him be the glory; even if we don't comprehend His purposes in it. Our "job" is to be obedient and do it. We are to go out and glorify God by proclaiming His message, <B>in its truth and purity</B>, and if souls are saved through the means of our proclamation, praise be to Him.<BR/><BR/>But it seems obvious that we cannot indiscriminately tell everyone God loves them giving the ample evidence in scripture (Psalm 73:16-19; Prov. 16:4; Romans 9; etc).<BR/><BR/>If Pastor Chan had said, "God loves sinners and look what He did to save them," there wouldn't be this issue over the misuse of the love of God. That aside, I thought his video was good.<BR/><BR/>A gospel proclaimed in its full truth and purity, especially when it is a premeditated presentation, should be the goal of ours as well. As you put it, "Get involved in that part of the Gospel."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for reading. I've said my peace.D.R. Brookerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01370318162129850102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168396324905199902007-01-09T18:32:00.000-08:002007-01-09T18:32:00.000-08:00Dan said, "And thanks a lot for outing me as a PRE...Dan said, <BR/><BR/>"And thanks a lot for outing me as a PRESBYCalvidispiebaptogelical!"<BR/><BR/>Yeah Dan like nobody knew!<BR/><BR/>PRESBYCalvidispiebaptogelical?ChosenClayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223903620505081145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168395490999841812007-01-09T18:18:00.000-08:002007-01-09T18:18:00.000-08:00The only problem I had with the video was when Cha...The only problem I had with the video was when Chan said that God is begging for us to accept Him and screaming for our attention. <BR/><BR/>Frank said: <I>I can answer that question: because Edwards was preaching to a different culture. Edwards was preaching to a culture which understood law and authority;</I><BR/><BR/>I am not so sure that Edwards presented the gospel the way he did because of a particular <I>culture</I>, but rather, a particular <I>climate</I> at the time. In 1727 there were a series of alarming earthquakes in New England. It opened the door for preachers like Cotten Mather to preach about the judgement of God. People responded. They were somewhat nervous after all. The Great Awakening started about 1730. Edwards was able to appeal to the sinful nature of man because people thought more about God's judgement partly due to circumstances. Edwards felt that it was a sure sign of repentence if a person recognized their wretchedness first.<BR/><BR/>I think that our presentation of the gospel may take on more of an urgency if we, like the people in Edwards time, were put in mind of the wrath of God due to extenuating circumstances.<BR/><BR/>Not to say that I have much of a problem with the video. I don't much. I was touched and compelled to read the Bible after watching Godspell years and years ago.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168392079974639642007-01-09T17:21:00.000-08:002007-01-09T17:21:00.000-08:00To be very clear, I haven't talked with chosenclay...To be very clear, I haven't talked with <B>chosenclay</B> or anyone but Frank (backstage) about this matter.<BR/><BR/>And thanks a lot for outing me as a PRESBYCalvidispiebaptogelical!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168387577479322182007-01-09T16:06:00.000-08:002007-01-09T16:06:00.000-08:00pantheistic?pantheistic?SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10420768244670972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168384406136660962007-01-09T15:13:00.000-08:002007-01-09T15:13:00.000-08:00centuri0n said,"its the anonymous commenters that ...centuri0n said,<BR/>"its the anonymous commenters that always change my mind".<BR/><BR/>That was truly profound Frank!<BR/><BR/>But alas I am not as "anonymous" as you suggest. Our friend Dan "Booya" Phillips knows me and we see each other at that "Presbyterian" church most Sundays.ChosenClayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223903620505081145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168382742066594152007-01-09T14:45:00.000-08:002007-01-09T14:45:00.000-08:00clay:its the anonymous commenters that always chan...clay:<BR/><BR/>its the anonymous commenters that always change my mind.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168380213645646082007-01-09T14:03:00.000-08:002007-01-09T14:03:00.000-08:00I'm so sorry for the multiple postings of the same...I'm so sorry for the multiple postings of the same comment earlier. I was using a computer at university and it did something weird!!<BR/><BR/>Hugely embarassed!Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168377866580808792007-01-09T13:24:00.000-08:002007-01-09T13:24:00.000-08:00Sorry Frank, but I'm with Campi on this one. The v...Sorry Frank, but I'm with Campi on this one. The video is at best "weak" or at worst "lame" as a gospel presentation. Most new believers can articulate a better gospel than this!ChosenClayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223903620505081145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168374870836379772007-01-09T12:34:00.000-08:002007-01-09T12:34:00.000-08:00Beasley:I appreciate you pointing to the balance o...Beasley:<BR/><BR/>I appreciate you pointing to the balance of the website for the ministry context of the video, but let me suggest to you that people being shown this video the first time are probably not seeing it on a web site -- they are seeing it because a friend is showing to to them. In that, we might see more of the ministry in the web site, but factually if the video is as bad as Steve has made it out to be, the rest of the site actually makes the shortcomings of the video worse, not better or extraneous. <I>If Steve is right.</I><BR/><BR/>But Steve is not right. And rather than go into that more here, I have posted my final response on this matter, allowing that Steve will have the final word on this matter. You can find that final response <A HREF="http://centuri0n.blogspot.com/2007/01/last-stand.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>God bless you all.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168371045595537502007-01-09T11:30:00.000-08:002007-01-09T11:30:00.000-08:00Brother Steve -Our brethren were speaking about yo...Brother Steve -<BR/><BR/>Our brethren were speaking about you and your ministry this past Lord's day with tender affection - It's a blessing to have men yielding God honoring music in an age of...fluff. Having read your responses on this and the earlier post, I would offer the following about the video in question:<BR/><BR/>When I first saw the video, I went to the rest of the website, which is important because it establishes a broader context for everything. In fact, let me say that the overall website must be consulted if the video is to be understood for its true value; take for example the second question in their "'I'm A GOOD PERSON' TEST":<BR/><BR/>"Question #2<BR/>You shall not make for yourself any idol.<BR/><BR/>Who is God to you? Is he only a god of love and mercy who would never judge anyone and never cast anyone into Hell? If that’s your god, then you’re right. Your god couldn’t cast anyone into Hell because he doesn’t exist. He’s a figment of your imagination. You’ve created a god in your own mind that you’re more comfortable with. You may call it your “personal belief,” but God calls it idolatry. The Bible warns that idolaters will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, (Ephesians 5:5)."<BR/><BR/>The language in the test is fairly direct and has good Scripture references. What is interesting about the test is that it takes the law and uses it in accordance with Galatians 3:24 - as a pedagogue which leads us to Christ. I think that part of the problem here is that if we take the video, by itself, we may miss the fact that the video is a kind of "baby step" that was designed to lead the viewer to a deeper probe into the Scriptures (found in the rest of the website). It does make me think of Paul's dealings with the Athenians in Acts 17. In that context, Paul only got so far in his preaching, but in a sense he proclaimed enough truth to destroy "speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God" (2 Cor. 10:4). Note:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Acts 17:25: "He is not served by human hands, as though He needed anything..." - In the Greek/Roman mindset the gods were somewhat needy beings, in that they were thought to be (to some extent) sustained by the temples and the sacrifices that were offered (Varro, speaking with a tone of sarcasm once said: "I am afriad that some gods may perish simply from neglect.").<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:26: "He made from one man every nation of mankind..." - The Athenians believed themselves to be superior to all other peoples, because it was Zeus who formed them from Athenian soil - and of course, Athenian soil was the best in the world. At least that's what the Athenians believed anyway.<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:29: “Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man." This Paul said amidst all of the ornate idols that were formed by the art and thought of man! That's quite a thing to say at the Areopagus!<BR/><BR/><BR/>What Paul does in Acts 17 is very different than when he preached in the synagogue in Antioch in Acts 13. Here, he quotes no OT Scriptures, but summarizes their teaching. He spends a great deal of time destroying speculations (logismous - human reason) in order to herald the Lord's singular right and authority to "judge the world in righteousness through a Man." Paul's message here is somewhat of a Gospel primer, in that he never did get to the point where he could name Jesus Christ by name, or proclaim His mission of the cross. This is so because he was interrupted mid-message, but what happened next was very important: there were some who said "We shall hear you again concerning this." This is where I would suggest that the whole website must come into play. It is designed for those who desire to hear more about this Man who will judge the world in righteousness. The conclusion of the website's test concerning our standing before God's law is (among other things) is John 3:36 - "the wrath of God abides on you..." This then sets the stage for the presentation of God's mercy and grace through Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>Having looked at the video a second time now, I will say that there some weak points in the video. In the context of the whole website, they are not show-stoppers, but they could stand some editing. For example, towards the end, he says that (roughly) that the Creator of the Universe is crazy about you. While I realize that this is slang, it isn't a good choice - if even considered as an anthropopathism. In the context of the video itself, he used this expression to speak of his love for his children – many of us probably use this expression too, but let's put it this way, I'm not eager to see a Bible version come out with "for God was so crazy about the world that He gave His only begotten Son.” Slang like this does not seem to comport with the beauty, glory and holiness of God's love for mankind. I wouldn’t call this a show-stopper – but if it could be changed, I believe that it would be a help to the video overall. At another point he says “…when He [God] says ‘Thou shalt not murder’ He’s just saying ‘look, ya know, I think your life on earth would be a whole lot better if you don’t kill each other.’” Again, we ought to be careful whenever we summarize the Lord’s desire and will as His ambassadors: He doesn’t merely ”think” that His will is good – He knows that it is, such that He gives it to us, not as a suggestion, but as an uncompromising command. Another issue of clarification comes concerning the extent of our guilt in view of the law’s requirement - in view of the foremost commandment (“you shall love the Lord your God…” and “you shall love your neighbor as yourself” Deut. 6:4-5 and Lev. 19:18 via Mark 12:28-31) sinners are guilty of all of the law, for the natural man has not the love of God in his heart (John 5:39-42, Gal. 3:12 & Romans 10:5). One of the greater values of the video/website is that is expresses the passion that we see expressed by Paul when he said: 2 Corinthians 5:20 “Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.” That final verb [katalagete] is an imperative, expressing greater urgency and earnestness in the Gospel call. Clearly, passion without truth is worthless - but truth proclaimed with passion is our calling - a truth that I know that you are committed to as well.thearmouryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573006949482415927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168369692626741332007-01-09T11:08:00.000-08:002007-01-09T11:08:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.thearmouryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573006949482415927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168353108805549032007-01-09T06:31:00.000-08:002007-01-09T06:31:00.000-08:00I'd like to see this video for myself, before I ma...I'd like to see this video for myself, before I make a comment on all this, but being on dial up makes it really hard (if not impossible at times) to download or watch online videos.<BR/><BR/>So without actually seeing it for myself, it seems to me that this all comes down to a matter of opinion on the clarity of the gospel message IN the video in question.<BR/><BR/>I think (no, I know) this is the exact kind of discussions Christians SHOULD be having, as it pertains to the Biblical gospel and what is, and what isn't contained in it.<BR/><BR/>If our foundation and what we understand the gospel to be isn't firm, then our theology after the fact will not hold up either.<BR/><BR/>May I suggest (for those that have not yet read it) James White's <I>Pulpit Crimes - The Criminal Mishandling of God's Word</I>, to the readers here. It addresses some of the very things I've seen brought up in the comments, and it addresses the points much better than I ever could.<BR/>(I want to make it clear that I'm suggesting this without seeing the video myself or making any accusations about it - it's simply a general recommendation for your edification)<BR/><BR/>SDG...Carla Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395062089776262435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168352225095464862007-01-09T06:17:00.000-08:002007-01-09T06:17:00.000-08:00Mr. Brooker --That's a very even-handed response. ...Mr. Brooker --<BR/><BR/>That's a very even-handed response. Since you act, I believe in God's active reprobation and God's active punishment of the souls in Hell.<BR/><BR/>However, that makes the matter of <I>proclaiming the Gospel</I> all that more urgent and necessary. It is by the proclamation of the Gospel that the elect are called -- but since you and I don't have sacramental night-vision goggles, we can't tell who these people are.<BR/><BR/>And in that, the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. The message is still in Jn 3:16, and it is still that God loves us.<BR/><BR/>Will some still see the Gospel as the savor of death? Yes, they will -- I was one of those. It seems to me that Paul was himself one of those -- he wanted to kill those preaching it. But we can't say, "Ah well: God didn't save him" when we find someone like that.<BR/><BR/>Listen: I have done internet apologetics (poorly) for the last 10 years or so, and there is one anecdote that sticks out in my mind specifically as related to this. There was a fellow in an atheist forum who was particularly skeptical about all things related to the Bible. I could answer all his questions -- argue him into a corner. But he wouldn't change his mind because he rejected all superstition, all supernatural things.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I wrote him off as reprobate, and engaged him further only for the sake of those reading. I wasn't going to change his mind.<BR/><BR/>Then, something really bizarre happened: he started talking to a real person, a Lutheran pastor. He was a liberal Lutheran pastor, to be sure, but this man showed him that the Gospel was not an argument but <I>an act of love</I> perpetrated on a universe which <I>is somewhat lacking in such a thing</I>.<BR/><BR/>Suddenly, the "arguments" made more sense to this person -- and he stopped posting in the forum. I have no idea what happened to him, but listen: we can't demand a verbal defense of the 5 solas from someone in order to start presenting the Gospel to them.<BR/><BR/>Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. God loves His enemies now -- even if He will punish them (whoever they are) eternally when the books are opened. Get involved in that part of the Gospel.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168350279190756192007-01-09T05:44:00.000-08:002007-01-09T05:44:00.000-08:00Frank:IMHO, here are the problems with this video:...<B>Frank:</B><BR/><BR/><B><I>IMHO, here are the problems with this video:</I></B><BR/><BR/><B>1.</B> There is no mentioning or explanation of repentance from sin (Luke 24:46-47)<BR/><BR/><B>2.</B> There is no mentioning or explanation of what it means to saved by grace through faith in Christ alone - justification by faith (Romans 3:21-26)<BR/><BR/><B>3.</B> There is no mentioning or explanation of the Lordship of Christ; our submission to Him as Lord; or our confession of Him as Lord unto salvation (Acts 2:36-40; Romans 10:9-10)<BR/><BR/><B>4.</B> There is no mentioning or explanation of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead (1 Cor. 15:3-4; 12-18)<BR/><BR/><B>5.</B> There was not one mentioning of any Bible verse specifically in the entire video. A non-Christian who would watch this would have no idea where to look in a Bible to see if what Chan was saying was true. Chan used the language of "Jesus says..." or "God says..." or the "bible says..." But, he never told them where those things are said; and when he was trying to quote it himself, he usually misquoted it. (2 Tim. 4:1-5)<BR/><BR/>And remember Frank, this is a pastor of a church purposely NOT saying these things.<BR/><BR/>This video does not present a sufficient gospel that saves and it certainly is not the gospel according to Jesus, the Apostles, or the great divines of the 15th-19th centuries. By one this one thing of leaving out the bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, this video presents no gospel at all.<BR/><BR/><B>IOW,</B> Charles Finney would endorse, be proud of, and really love this video.<BR/><BR/>But hey, it looked great.<BR/><BR/>Sola Fide,<BR/>Steve<BR/>Romans 3:21-26SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168350162159841762007-01-09T05:42:00.000-08:002007-01-09T05:42:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.SJ Camphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844201288864307481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168336889865143842007-01-09T02:08:00.000-08:002007-01-09T02:08:00.000-08:00Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' ...Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' or 'Emerging Church', I think that the subject of your articles is bang on! Its exactly these truths that we as evangelicals need to be grappling with. <BR/><BR/>If we become better informed about the New Perspective we might be able to refute the Dunn/Sanders/Wright types of this world (a worthy pursuit, mind you); if we grasp the significant threat of the 'Emergent' we might be better placed to define our polity etc (again more than worthy); but if we grasp the amazing nature of God's love for sinners, who can tell what might happen to our hearts, our families, our preaching?<BR/><BR/>The post and the comments following have been a timely stimulant to me in my preaching of the cross.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168336868111979782007-01-09T02:07:00.000-08:002007-01-09T02:07:00.000-08:00Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' ...Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' or 'Emerging Church', I think that the subject of your articles is bang on! Its exactly these truths that we as evangelicals need to be grappling with. <BR/><BR/>If we become better informed about the New Perspective we might be able to refute the Dunn/Sanders/Wright types of this world (a worthy pursuit, mind you); if we grasp the significant threat of the 'Emergent' we might be better placed to define our polity etc (again more than worthy); but if we grasp the amazing nature of God's love for sinners, who can tell what might happen to our hearts, our families, our preaching?<BR/><BR/>The post and the comments following have been a timely stimulant to me in my preaching of the cross.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168336752703129162007-01-09T02:05:00.000-08:002007-01-09T02:05:00.000-08:00Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' ...Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' or 'Emerging Church', I think that the subject of your articles is bang on! Its exactly these truths that we as evangelicals need to be grappling with. <BR/><BR/>If we become better informed about the New Perspective we might be able to refute the Dunn/Sanders/Wright types of this world (a worthy pursuit, mind you); if we grasp the significant threat of the 'Emergent' we might be better placed to define our polity etc (again more than worthy); but if we grasp the amazing nature of God's love for sinners, who can tell what might happen to our hearts, our families, our preaching?<BR/><BR/>The post and the comments following have been a time stimulant to me in my preaching of the cross.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1168336677072385312007-01-09T02:04:00.000-08:002007-01-09T02:04:00.000-08:00Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' ...Contrary to wanting more on 'The New Perspective' or 'Emerging Church', I think that the subject of your articles is bang on! Its exactly these truths that we as evangelicals need to be grappling with. <BR/><BR/>If we become better informed about the New Perspective we might be able to refutre the Dunn/Sanders/Wright types of this world (a worthy pursuit, mind you); if we grasp the significant threat of the 'Emergent' we might be better placed to define our polity etc (again more than worthy); but if we grasp the amazing nature of God's love for sinners, who can tell what might happen to our hearts, our families, our preaching?<BR/><BR/>The post and the comments following have been a time stimulant to me in my preaching of the cross.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.com