tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post116913963108452480..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Spurgeon and expository preachingPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62569037770545035062009-10-04T16:38:01.161-07:002009-10-04T16:38:01.161-07:00Thanks for you contribution. Are some people just ...Thanks for you contribution. Are some people just naturally gifted in expository preaching? <br />Any good link on expository preaching? ....or even free materials?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00232485661746208007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169192374259470212007-01-18T23:39:00.000-08:002007-01-18T23:39:00.000-08:00A very good lecture on preaching and teaching Jesu...A very good lecture on preaching and teaching Jesus through various methods (expository, topical, etc.) can be found here...<BR/><BR/>http://www.marshillchurch.org/<BR/>audio/<BR/>060912_Preaching_and_Teaching_Jesus.mp3Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02498587309983359967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169191485361375612007-01-18T23:24:00.000-08:002007-01-18T23:24:00.000-08:00@ DougShawn Michael's has become a recent convert ...@ Doug<BR/><BR/>Shawn Michael's has become a recent convert to Christ, much after WWF become WWE.<BR/><BR/>Though I think he has some rough patches still obviously, but his conversion seemed genuine (at least on print).<BR/><BR/>He understood that he was a sinner, accepted Christ, told Vince McMahon he would not come back if he would do anything that would violate his conscious, told all his friends that he became a new person and witnessed to them ( I believe). Yes, he still has someways to go, and I could be wrong, but it really did seem genuine ~ we should encourage new Christians no?The Predestined Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01587261989476613134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169181624664840012007-01-18T20:40:00.000-08:002007-01-18T20:40:00.000-08:00Spurgeon was biblical and contextual, using Script...Spurgeon was biblical and contextual, using Scripture to comment on Scripture. Most topical sermons are just a launching pad for the preacher to spew out his own stuff and use the verses however he sees fit. Context rules whether you are preaching verse by verse or topically.Morris Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18083884122271855154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169180924584203502007-01-18T20:28:00.000-08:002007-01-18T20:28:00.000-08:00The ironic thing was that the Hulk hogan shill pro...The ironic thing was that the Hulk hogan shill project started out with an edifying sermon on Fasting(not expositional or reformed but at least it was semi decent-entitled "Piano")<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://media.creativepastors.com/podcast/20070108_largerthanlife.mp3" REL="nofollow">Listen to it here</A>SBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10420768244670972014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169171832153127242007-01-18T17:57:00.000-08:002007-01-18T17:57:00.000-08:00Surely you jest about Shawn Michaels. I used to w...Surely you jest about Shawn Michaels. I used to watch WWF (now WWE) and Shawn Michaels is not a good role model to claim as a Christian. This is from the WWE bio:<BR/><BR/>"Michaels paired up with Triple H and Chyna to form D-Generation X, a group that defied authority and marched to the beat of their own drum. They employed the use of vulgarity and obscene gestures and spit in the face of those that tried to stop them."<BR/><BR/>Hardly the type we want as an illustration in a sermon (unless it's an illustration of total depravity).Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156736279906719942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169166172303457892007-01-18T16:22:00.000-08:002007-01-18T16:22:00.000-08:00Wow, that was ridiculous ~ You're mentor Dr. S. Le...Wow, that was ridiculous ~ You're mentor Dr. S. Lewis Johnson once said jokingly that after the rapture he'd like to stay on earth for a little while just to see what churches like these would say haha.<BR/><BR/>For good measure you should interview Shawn Michaels "The Heartbreak Kid" who is a genuine Christian (and one time WWF champion I believe). I was skeptical too, but I read part of his official WWE autobiography and it was super encouraging.The Predestined Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01587261989476613134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169165463100735232007-01-18T16:11:00.000-08:002007-01-18T16:11:00.000-08:00hmm. more for me to think about.after a year and a...hmm. more for me to think about.<BR/><BR/>after a year and a half at grace community church i began to think that "Grace-style" sermons/preaching was THE style. then i transfered to a Christian university and began attending a different church, and i've heard my fair share of life-changing topical sermons. as i've ruminated a little on the subject i've become more convinced that it depends on the speaker's focus on the word of God - whether "unleashing God's truth one verse at a time" or basing his words on a few "selected scripture"s and generally biblical concepts.<BR/><BR/>but helpful financial advice, church-growth reports and words of man-made wisdom still do not go down with me.c.c.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17707704571448468226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169160067386014122007-01-18T14:41:00.000-08:002007-01-18T14:41:00.000-08:00Very refreshing post. Appreciate how you share you...Very refreshing post. Appreciate how you share your God-giftedness with the people of the Lord.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169157564552788792007-01-18T13:59:00.000-08:002007-01-18T13:59:00.000-08:00Alright, a Hulk Hogan interview! Oh wait...is tha...Alright, a Hulk Hogan interview! Oh wait...is that not what I was supposed to take away from that post? ;)Jeff Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06658996385948373287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169154612585587202007-01-18T13:10:00.000-08:002007-01-18T13:10:00.000-08:00If I wanted a perpetual barroom brawl with endless...<B>If I wanted a perpetual barroom brawl with endless, fruitless rehashes of bad ideas and bad arguments that no balanced person could reasonably get so worked up about, I'd be hanging out over at the Boar's Head. Let's not do that here, OK?</B><BR/><BR/>I completely understand why you wouldn't want to do that here - but anytime you crave the respite of being radically unbalanced, please don't hesitate to come by!Sharad Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12150204571738424517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169151822646109072007-01-18T12:23:00.000-08:002007-01-18T12:23:00.000-08:00JSB said:'Phil, is it true Spurgeon used to decide...JSB said:<BR/><BR/>'Phil, is it true Spurgeon used to decide what verse to preach on Saturday night? And just sort of winged it?'<BR/><BR/>Literally! In Lectures to my Students Spurgeon describes the trials of not having a text to preach from at a particular service. He says:<BR/><BR/>"Just then I walked to the window and looked out. On the other side of the narrow street in which I lived, I saw a poor solitary canary bird upon the slates surrounded by a crowd of sparrows, who were all pecking at it as if they would tear it to pieces. At that moment the verse came to my mind - 'My heritage is unto me as a speckled bird...' I walked off with the greatest possible composure, considered the passage during my long and lonely walk, and preached upon the peculiar people, and the persecutions of their enemies" <BR/><BR/>Which of us would dare to do that? And yet which of us could candidly say 'I confess that I frequently sit hour after hour praying and waiting for a subject'?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the danger of expository ministry is that we can fall into the 'routine' trap, and not be as reliant on the Holy Spirit as Spurgeon evidently was...A combination of both systematic preparation and Holy Spirit liberty seem to me to be the key.<BR/><BR/>But then again, what do I know :)Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169148691043373902007-01-18T11:31:00.000-08:002007-01-18T11:31:00.000-08:00Thus endeth the Chan-video debate. Permanently th...<I><B>Thus endeth the Chan-video debate.</B> Permanently this time.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah!! Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Phil runs wild on yoooooouuuuu>?!?!?HeavyDluxehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16159226979454039988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169148416719209632007-01-18T11:26:00.000-08:002007-01-18T11:26:00.000-08:00It seems to me that there's a continuum here, and ...It seems to me that there's a continuum here, and a sermon can be "expository" in the sense that it's based on one or more verses of the Bible but not "expository" in the sense that it really exposes the verse(s) and gets all their meaning out of it.<BR/><BR/>Consequently, some pastors claim to be "expository" when most people who know what expository preaching generally is like would deny it. I present this article on Rick Warren's pastors.com:<BR/><BR/>http://www.pastors.com/article.asp?ArtID=7230<BR/><BR/>The article (a review) seems to me good as far as it goes: it makes the point (following the book) that most preachers who think they're doing expository preaching really don't. However, if "most" preachers are doing this, where are the others coming from? It's like the old Lake Woebegone line "... and all the children are above average."<BR/><BR/>I think most Purpose Driven preachers can read an article like that and serenely say that they are, in fact, doing expository preaching because they pick a Bible verse for the day and then "apply" it to people's lives. Unfortunately, the Purpose-Driven preaching I've heard has made no real connection between the verse and the application - the verse was a sort of window dressing, mentioned once at some point in the sermon and then discarded thereafter for the preacher's own thoughts, stories, and videos.Gary Bisaga (aka fool4jesus)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16238954438323198854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169147647615461542007-01-18T11:14:00.000-08:002007-01-18T11:14:00.000-08:00I'm starting anew blog called "just stop." Bob Ne...I'm starting anew blog called "just stop." Bob Newhart is going to guest blog next week.<BR/><BR/>Stay Tuned.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169146892712061592007-01-18T11:01:00.000-08:002007-01-18T11:01:00.000-08:00Berny "The post was getting frozen midway through ...<B>Berny</B> <I>"The post was getting frozen midway through publishing and I thought it didn't go through."</I><BR/><BR/>The new and "improved" Blogger software seems to have some bugs in it. I've seen that same thing happen a few times this week.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I was going to migrate the blog over to the new software to see if it cleared up some of those incompatibilities and problems, but even though Blogger keeps telling me the new software is "ready" for me, when I try, I get a message saying they can't put PyroManiacs on the new system yet, because "some of my blogs" aren't compatible. It's a very unhelpful warning message. Google seems to be having more trouble getting their act together than they used to.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, as to Berny's question:<BR/><BR/><B>Berny:</B> <I>"What if Hulk Hogan's upcoming message is titled 'Just Stop and Think'?"</I><BR/><BR/>I'll tell you what: if it is, we'll do a point-by-point comparison with the Chan video and weigh which one gives more of the gospel. If not, let's keep the video controversy out of other threads, OK? I changed the subject for a reason. It amazes me how long some people are willing to pursue an obviously fruitless argument.<BR/><BR/>And that last remark is not aimed at Berny, who I think was just being wry. But I have in mind a few people on both sides of the interminable Chan-video battle. How much more is that topic going to be kicked around, with the same people sayting the same thing over and over?<BR/><BR/>If I wanted a perpetual barroom brawl with endless, fruitless rehashes of bad ideas and bad arguments that no balanced person could reasonably get so worked up about, I'd be hanging out over at the Boar's Head. Let's not do that here, OK?<BR/><BR/><B>Thus endeth the Chan-video debate.</B><BR/><BR/>Permanently this time.<BR/><BR/>(Unless, of course, the Hogan thing really <I>does</I> turn out to be titled, "Just Stop and Think." Then, as I said, we'll do that comparison.)Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169144836935245562007-01-18T10:33:00.000-08:002007-01-18T10:33:00.000-08:00Dangit.The post was getting frozen midway through ...Dangit.<BR/><BR/>The post was getting frozen midway through publishing and I thought it didn't go through.<BR/><BR/>Sorry about that.dogfreidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751614375780546890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169143868692698562007-01-18T10:11:00.001-08:002007-01-18T10:11:00.001-08:00"Some preachers nowadays even seem to pride themse..."Some preachers nowadays even seem to pride themselves on the way they relegate Scripture to a footnote in their message."<BR/><BR/>Example?Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925468051256880789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169143758648691402007-01-18T10:09:00.000-08:002007-01-18T10:09:00.000-08:00Phil, is it true Spurgeon used to decide what vers...Phil, is it true Spurgeon used to decide what verse to preach on Saturday night? And just sort of winged it? It is a truly gifted man who can do that, a thoroughly Bible soaked man.<BR/><BR/>When some current preachers do the same, just go off on riffs, it seems "authentic" to the audience, but the meat is not there, the true study and organization. And that's not serving the people. <BR/><BR/>Dr. MacArthur preaches from rather detailed notes, is that not correct?James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169143340741647952007-01-18T10:08:00.000-08:002007-01-18T10:08:00.000-08:00What if Hulk Hogan's upcoming message is titled "J...What if Hulk Hogan's upcoming message is titled "Just Stop and Think"?<BR/><BR/>Would't that blow our minds?dogfreidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751614375780546890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169143270103604352007-01-18T10:01:00.000-08:002007-01-18T10:01:00.000-08:00Man. I really enjoy your writing. Not only that, b...Man. I really enjoy your writing. Not only that, but your writing on Spurgeon's writing/speaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1169141178962830202007-01-18T09:26:00.000-08:002007-01-18T09:26:00.000-08:00Thanks Phil. That was a helpful explanation to a q...Thanks Phil. That was a helpful explanation to a question I've had for some time. I appreciate you taking the time to help some of us Spurgeon-loving expository preachers. <BR/><BR/>You hit the nail about the guys who hire the likes of Hulk Hogan. Who are they going to hire next, Oprah or Snoop Dogg? <BR/><BR/>Grace,<BR/>ScottScott W. Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06312924898954628125noreply@blogger.com