tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post1320351560613564867..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Repentance: fake and realPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14948316867547831902010-10-22T05:34:20.910-07:002010-10-22T05:34:20.910-07:00Dan,
Thank you for this A+ article, it is edifyin...Dan,<br /><br />Thank you for this A+ article, it is edifying and challenging in a way that turns souls back from destruction.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Derek AshtonTHEOparadoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214982083585956095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91081141235262575432010-10-21T04:52:12.568-07:002010-10-21T04:52:12.568-07:00Is the crucial element election?
Word Verificatio...Is the crucial element election?<br /><br />Word Verification: winglyze<br /><br />You can nearly get Zwingli out of that :-PPatiencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17153561978053916808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60704293531996504262010-10-20T11:15:48.078-07:002010-10-20T11:15:48.078-07:00Is the missing piece "restitution"? I ca...Is the missing piece "restitution"? I can see in our hyper-individualistic version of Christianity that it's easy to abuse David's "against God alone have I sinned" as an excuse not to reconcile with the offended brother, including doing what is necessary/possible to make it right. We can be confident about the sincerity of Zacchaeus's repentance because he didn't just say it, he made it right to his own hurt.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89588031127630921272010-10-19T23:23:06.881-07:002010-10-19T23:23:06.881-07:00Wow. Dan Philips is 500 posts old.
That's li...Wow. Dan Philips is 500 posts old.<br /><br />That's like 3,500 in dog posts!<br /><br />Great post though Dan. I'm often surprised how I, among others, have a mouth that betrays me when I think I'm repenting. James 3 + Acts 26:20 = I'm not as good at repenting as I think I am.<br /><br />Doh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45037060471005087822010-10-19T21:00:30.901-07:002010-10-19T21:00:30.901-07:00This post touches something that's been on my ...This post touches something that's been on my mind lately: Confronting a brother or sister on his/her sin. I did a (fairly quick) search here and on your blog, and didn't find anything on this subject. If there is one, would you please link to it? I'm particularly interested in the possible pitfalls in applying Mt. 18:15-17. Also interested in a discussion on church discipline in general. Thanks.<br /><br />Congrats on reaching 500.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37760984300070656282010-10-19T19:42:54.806-07:002010-10-19T19:42:54.806-07:00"..summarily jab the offending person, with t..."..summarily jab the offending person, with the pole, if they nodded off or if they were found daydreaming during the sermon." Mary<br /><br />Funny.<br />I remember when a girl in my last church fell asleep in front of me. She was snoring too. <br /><br />I saw another fellow begin to slightly lean over, little by little, until he finally dozed off.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3809807064450764292010-10-19T19:09:03.307-07:002010-10-19T19:09:03.307-07:00Good post, Dan.
Meaty.
To the point.
Pastoral.
...Good post, Dan.<br /><br />Meaty.<br /><br />To the point.<br /><br />Pastoral.<br /><br />Well done.<br /><br />However after reading through your missive I somehow doubt that <b>"Repent like Ergun Caner"</b> will make it into the evangelical lexicon as a synonym for deep, soul-searching, heartfelt, Spirit-wrought <i>metanoein</i> anytime soon.<br /><br />This probably also means I shouldn't hold my breath for the arrival of my Ergun Caner ESV Study Bible. <b>*sigh*</b><br /><br />In Christ,<br />CDCoram Deohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504564435400500996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88427635591320246392010-10-19T16:19:55.597-07:002010-10-19T16:19:55.597-07:00On my visit to Boston many years ago, actually, I ...On my visit to Boston many years ago, actually, I believe it was 1982; I visited many of the old churches in the downtown area. I was totally fascinated by the pews of some of these beautiful old, stately churches. At the ends of each pew (which these pews were very, very long), were small gates, so when anyone entered into the pews they were locked into place. <br /><br />Then, on the corresponding wall, hung a very long, wooden pole, much like a pool stick only much longer, but this was no pool game. Some hand-picked parishioner, usually a churlish-faced, Amish-type person, who looked more warden-like than an angelic being sitting on a cloud, would summarily jab the offending person, with the pole, if they nodded off or if they were found daydreaming during the sermon. And sometimes these sermons lasted for hours upon hours. Imagine sitting there, on hard pews, with no air conditioning, suffocating under layers of cumbersome clothing, locked into place like a crash test dummy, listening to a sermon much like the sermon given by Jonathan Edwards, “Sinners in The Hands of An Angry God.” <br /><br />Which brings me to wonder, do we have a shallow repentance because we have shallow sermons? Do we need the shock value of sermons like this, and hard wooden pews that force a posture of attentiveness to create in us a deep well of repentance? Are our sermons lackluster, causing us to cozy up to sin too much, do we need the hard-edged-truth more often to keep us vigilant and acutely aware of the God dishonoring sin in our lives?<br /><br />Maybe more often than not we need to be pricked in our hearts, convicted in our souls, admonished by our brothers and sisters, and summarily jabbed with a pole, straight to the head, because life is not a game of pool. It is serious business, and our repentance should be one of deep, Godly sorrow, and never taken lightly.Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29802650399224055302010-10-19T15:54:16.803-07:002010-10-19T15:54:16.803-07:00Looking forward to Thursday's post. Thanks Dan...Looking forward to Thursday's post. Thanks Dan.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17084189036334133951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10082550064798927592010-10-19T15:51:13.823-07:002010-10-19T15:51:13.823-07:00I have heard of either false or incomplete definit...I have heard of either false or incomplete definitions of repentance over the last 23 years of being a believer. I have always understood the proper definition of repentance to be a change of one's intellect (how we think), one's emotion (Godly sorrow), and not necessarily a change of mind, but rather a change of the will. People misdefine repentance by saying it is just a change of mind. Dan, I agree with you and I am looking forward to reading the next post!Terry Langehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14585501399585695282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26027199736812272382010-10-19T14:45:29.260-07:002010-10-19T14:45:29.260-07:00My friend Rachael wrote this:
"...even when ...My friend Rachael wrote this:<br /><br />"...even when our feelings aren't complying, our actions still should."<br /><br />True repentance is evident in the actions that take place from that point on. If a person it truly sorrowful and repentant, you can usually tell by what they do, not what they say. And the doing is important. I formerly was in the habit of doing such-and-such sin, and now that I have been convicted, made sorrowful, sought and granted forgiveness, I must begin replacing those old habits with new ones.<br /><br />This made me think of the beautiful picture of marriage. Before I was married, I was formerly in the habit of meeting and befriending eligible males and spending time doing fun activities--I had a good number of male friends. But when my husband and I married, I promised to be in the present progressive continuing act of "forsaking all others." That meant that I had some habits to change. (Which I gladly did, but you know, it was an adjustment to not be so friendly with the young men in my daily life.) And forsaking all others, the man cleaves to his wife, and the two become one flesh. I think that certainly depicts repentance. <br /><br />I'm really looking forward to Thursday's post.Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19707728386924872122010-10-19T14:36:33.467-07:002010-10-19T14:36:33.467-07:00Great post, Dan. This post made me think about how...Great post, Dan. This post made me think about how we (Christians included) tend to not only make light of, but even sometimes laugh when people talk about certain sins. For instance, I notice that if the subject of over-eating (gluttony) comes up, whether from a speaker or in casual conversation, there's a tendancy to giggle about it. Why do we do this? <br /><br />Not too long ago, a co-worker (a Christian) and I were eating lunch together, and she proceeded to tell me in detail about the awful morning she had getting her kids ready for school and how she found herself out of control and yelling at them in the car. And even though she knew she'd done wrong and was expressing that, she told the story in a humorous way and I found myself giggling about it with her. Later I thought, WHY WAS I LAUGHING!?? It seemed humorous at the time, but in hind-sight it wasn't funny at all!bphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02265050268204322057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2194387144521756252010-10-19T14:18:29.175-07:002010-10-19T14:18:29.175-07:00David sure needed Nathan.David sure needed Nathan.Rob Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893938431904825170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37476473694200742992010-10-19T12:47:41.767-07:002010-10-19T12:47:41.767-07:00Change opinion: Expel a couple dozen cans of febre...Change opinion: Expel a couple dozen cans of febreeze over the whole mess and we're covered. That's where therapeutic do-goodism comes in.<br /><br />Change mind: Open wide the fire-hydrant and flood/flush the whole mess, replacing with freshness that is truly freshness, not a cover-up. That's where life-changing, saving faith comes in.<br /><br />Repentance isn't concealing or forgetting what we are. There is no void (cuz that's eastern mysticism anyway). There is always something and we can either be immersed in Christ or maintain our original condition just under a different "new-and-improved" look.Death or Glory Toadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08552779168563447377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33449417469651427682010-10-19T12:20:07.144-07:002010-10-19T12:20:07.144-07:00RomansOne said:
"I think in a similar way I ...RomansOne said:<br /><br />"I think in a similar way I can get desensitized to my own sin -- it becomes that stench I get used to smelling. I need "fresh air" pumped into my spiritual life on a regular basis from the Scriptures. Forces me to notice the stink of my sin again."<br /><br />That's a great argument for the need for personal time in Scripture plus corporate time immersed in the Scriptures during Sunday worship. <br /><br />We are creatures of decay, and if we are not reminded often of our sinful condition before God, we very soon begin to believe ourselves to be righteous on our own.<br /><br />I can say personally that each and every Sunday I need to hear again of my sin and subsequently to rejoice in my salvation.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16345630463450652762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84094600292599902802010-10-19T11:34:44.379-07:002010-10-19T11:34:44.379-07:00"And that element is..."
Godly sorrow?
..."And that element is..."<br /><br />Godly sorrow?<br /><br />2 Corinthians 7:10James Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983848193844746369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85309229757486203562010-10-19T11:22:29.437-07:002010-10-19T11:22:29.437-07:00Here's the prayer we pray at church service:
...Here's the prayer we pray at church service:<br /><br />"Almighty God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who desireth not the death of a sinner, but rather that he may turn from his wickedness and live, hath given power, and commandment, to His Ministers, to declare and pronounce to his people, being penitent, the Absolution and Remission of their sins. He pardoneth and absolveth all those who truly repent, and unfeignedly believe his holy Gospel.<br /><br />Wherefore let us beseech him to grant us true repentance, and his Holy Spirit, that those things that please him which we do at this present; and that the rest of our life hereafter may be pure and holy; so that at the last we may come to his eternal joy; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."-(The Book of Common Prayer)<br /><br />Of course some may say these words, and not mean it from the heart. Actually I don't read along so much, however I acknowledge these words, and say Amen to the Lord.<br /><br />It's all about His grace upon grace in our hearts and lives really. If we are trusting in His grace, then His grace is indeed upon us.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13555398104974215992010-10-19T10:43:41.746-07:002010-10-19T10:43:41.746-07:00"...our sewage doesn't smell." Vivi..."...<i>our</i> sewage doesn't smell." Vivid metaphor -- reminds me of when the neighborhood sewer got blocked in front of my house and starting coming up in my basement. You actually can get used to the smell -- until you get out in the fresh air and come back inside. <br /><br />I think in a similar way I can get desensitized to my own sin -- it becomes that stench I get used to smelling. I need "fresh air" pumped into my spiritual life on a regular basis from the Scriptures. Forces me to notice the stink of my sin again. <br /><br />Though whether or not I acknowledge the stink and repent is another issue.RomansOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00115441530725534973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49373952572241415042010-10-19T10:36:05.478-07:002010-10-19T10:36:05.478-07:00And Aaron, my problem lately seems to be that I ha...And Aaron, my problem lately seems to be that I have certain sins that I just don't hate at all. I don't try to argue them away, or justify them. I just - live with them. That, I think, is worse. <br /><br />And it seems that there waa a post here a couple weeks back that may have talked about that. Good thing I'm notsogood with the searching and the linking - I'm convicted enough by this post and its implications as it is. :)Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22453840292769722912010-10-19T10:31:56.757-07:002010-10-19T10:31:56.757-07:00I think the essential element is agreeing with God...I think the essential element is agreeing with God about it - that it's earned both our deserving death, and Christ's death for it on our behalf. That agreement/acknowledgement should foster deep sorrow, but even when our feelings aren't complying, our actions still should. And that's the kicker - our actions will demonstrate how much we agree with God, not our tears or lack thereof.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73011259108205682482010-10-19T10:29:44.141-07:002010-10-19T10:29:44.141-07:00Sir Aaron:
That's my problem, too. I have no...Sir Aaron:<br /><br />That's my problem, too. I have no illusions about my own sinfulness, but overcoming sin is turning out to be a lifelong process.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45233572436688808602010-10-19T10:28:03.629-07:002010-10-19T10:28:03.629-07:00Okay, I want to share this on facebook...
I would...Okay, I want to share this on facebook...<br /><br />I would say it's so easy to do just what you're writing about. Any sin can be talked out of and made to look okay. And hearing it from another, inside I gasp and wonder if I should point to it instead of my active listening head nodding thing I do. <br />Of course, I wonder how many head nods I receive instead of the poking I need?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18165356070013985492010-10-19T10:04:17.299-07:002010-10-19T10:04:17.299-07:00Aaron,
I find myself in the same place many times...Aaron,<br /><br />I find myself in the same place many times. And it just makes me wonder why God shows me so much mercy and grace...I surely don't deserve it. And then I just find myself in awe of God and those are the times that I find myself hungering and thirsting for the Word of God the most. I am grateful for God working to humble me when I become so proud and rebellious as to pursue my sinful desires instead of Him.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57182624022849848472010-10-19T09:58:00.407-07:002010-10-19T09:58:00.407-07:00Sir Aaron,
You're not the only one.Sir Aaron,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=rom+7%3A7-25" rel="nofollow">You're not the only one</a>.greglonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514850772020363684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76785898692321061462010-10-19T09:46:43.862-07:002010-10-19T09:46:43.862-07:00The problem I run into myself is that there are si...The problem I run into myself is that there are sins I hate but yet keep finding myself doing. Sometimes its rather depressing.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.com