tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post1521422619332890342..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: "Assuming Jesus lied and is dead..."Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61322952647515779752013-06-13T17:51:50.595-07:002013-06-13T17:51:50.595-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29576580970426035782013-06-11T16:55:24.402-07:002013-06-11T16:55:24.402-07:00"I can tell you from experience that I work a...<i>"I can tell you from experience that I work according to how scripture says I should, <b>and not one person has ever come to me and said</b>, "Web, you're so respectful, and honest, and nice and it has just uncovered that I am a wretched, vile sinner, and unless I have someone to pay for my sin, I will have to one day when God judges the world. Surely you can tell me how God's son lived and died and rose again according to the scriptures that I might be saved from His wrath and be one of His people!" <br /><br />Never. Not once. Ever."</i><br /><br />I have.<br /><br />Not. Either.<br /><br />Great comment skewering the "Deeds, Not Spoken Creeds" crowd.<br /><br />Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9505355760686897002013-06-11T06:51:19.355-07:002013-06-11T06:51:19.355-07:00Grant: gave you the benefit of the doubt, but evid...Grant: gave you the benefit of the doubt, but evidently <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2013/06/assuming-jesus-lied-and-is-dead.html?showComment=1370709603217#c2220549961393095488" rel="nofollow">this reply</a> either was a lie, or a further case of reading-comprehension issues on your part. You're not <i>doing</i> a parody, you're <i>being</i> a parody.<br /><br />And so, given that there's no evidence you actually read the post on which you're ostensibly commenting (which, it turns out, is about you), I suggest you read it.<br /><br />Otherwise, if you haven't a very different stream of comment to offer, you're done.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84447693127018060592013-06-11T06:42:30.679-07:002013-06-11T06:42:30.679-07:00Grant,
Perhaps you should read Job and Luke 13:2-...Grant,<br /><br />Perhaps you should read Job and Luke 13:2-9 and figure out if you really want to question God about who He shows mercy to and how He does so. He has written in Scripture what and how and all we should do is obsrve and worhip Him for being holy. Our sin-riddled flesh will only serve to make us try to reason with Him as Job did instead of fall before Him asking for mercy and turning to Him and away from our sin...not embracuing it.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78432714490872500052013-06-10T21:22:11.382-07:002013-06-10T21:22:11.382-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67605288482177503522013-06-10T21:16:12.195-07:002013-06-10T21:16:12.195-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50603531561284164972013-06-10T18:22:24.245-07:002013-06-10T18:22:24.245-07:00I'm not sure how you define "child,"...I'm not sure how you define "child," but I'm pretty sure babies and toddlers don't get sent to Hell simply for dying before the age of accountability.<br /><br />As for theology of Hell writ large, I may not look at it from a Calvinist's perspective, but I doubt you would find my approach much less repulsive than his. Sorry, that's how the orthodox cookie crumbles.yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26133401527227443492013-06-10T04:50:17.592-07:002013-06-10T04:50:17.592-07:00I don't think you're bigoted.
I think you&...I don't think you're bigoted.<br />I think you're wrong.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153691056844224114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65495785335156077272013-06-09T09:25:59.756-07:002013-06-09T09:25:59.756-07:00Re "bigotry" - a standard dictionary def...Re "bigotry" - a standard dictionary definition is fine by me, yankeegospelgirl.<br /><br />You can work out for yourself whether the shoe fits.<br /><br />Be as disgusted as you like. <br /><br />If we're listing disgusts, let me add that I am disgusted by the notion of God's default worm-and-burn torture for every man, woman, and child except a few arbitrarily chosen sectarians. And you are welcome to call me a bigot about that, and be disgusted. Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17238781101158535632013-06-08T14:56:37.399-07:002013-06-08T14:56:37.399-07:00How do you define "bigotry," Grant? Are ...How do you define "bigotry," Grant? Are all gut-level reactions against something disgusting now to be labeled as "bigotry?" If I find something manifestly repugnant not merely incorrect but distasteful, am I a bigot? What about incest or pedophilia, or rape? <br /><br />"You find rape disgusting? How bigoted of you!"yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22205499613930954882013-06-08T09:40:03.217-07:002013-06-08T09:40:03.217-07:00@ DJP ^
Guilty as charged, good sir, as ironiparo...@ DJP ^<br /><br />Guilty as charged, good sir, as ironiparodising as you please! <br /><br />A fool, me, barely dim enough to deploy a burst of obtuse chutzpah ;^)Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63847629808958403332013-06-08T09:20:54.888-07:002013-06-08T09:20:54.888-07:00I quote Hip-Smiting Fred again: (to his LGBT sinne...I quote Hip-Smiting Fred again: (to his LGBT sinner-in-denial) “Don’t interpret any pointed criticism as an ignorant, bigoted attack against you.”<br /> <br />If you (a <i>generic</i> you, that is) lay down “stinging rebukes” in God’s cause, and you keep being taken for a bigot, how can you tell it’s because of your message and not just you? Maybe those whom you address have correctly intuited that you really <i>are</i> a bigot, using God to valorise your hatreds; or a resentful scold; or a morbid obsessive full of cant; or a mere curmudgeon addicted to fault-finding. Maybe you’re all bottled up with anger about the crap in your life and feel a sense of release when you can vent that anger against designated broods of vipers, to the applause of fellow viper-loathers. <br /><br />Not necessarily, but possibly...<br /><br />Despite their sin-befogged perspective, reprobates are keenly aware of these pratfalls of the elect - fully forgiven, of course, yet strangely persistent.<br /><br />Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16786744339148693102013-06-07T11:41:12.393-07:002013-06-07T11:41:12.393-07:00I wonder how many objectors have looked at the exa...I wonder how many objectors have looked at the examples we have from Scripture. <br /><br />Jesus told the rich young ruler he needed to sell his goods and give to the poor then follow Jesus. He loved his wealth and himself more than God and his neighbor. Jesus also laid out a hailstorm of rebuke against the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23...right to their faces.<br /><br />Then there is Paul. He said he wished the Judaizers would just castrate themselves because of their obsession with circumcision. He also was stoned by a crowd who didn't like his message...then he just dusted himself off and went to preach the same message in the same way in the next town. He didn't alter it to make the people feel better about themselves. <br /><br />The Bible doesn't make sinners feel good about themselves (unless it is taken out of context and not all of Scripture is used to interpret Scripture). The very point is for sinners to feel devastated and without any hope in and of themselves...to realize the very sinfulness that defines all of humanity and which we are slaves to. Then and only then can we realize our need for the Savior. Then we can turn from our sins (and ourselves) and turn to Him. That is why the Sermon on the Mount is one of the most shocking and devastating portions of Scripture. Jesus basically tells everybody, "Here is the standard for being righteous and holy and getting into heaven...and it is impossible for you to meet it." He didn't say that it was OK and He understood and approved of the sinful desires they were born with. Otherwise, He wouldn't have lived a life without sin. He wouldn't have to willfully submit to God the Father in taking all of the abuse (human and demonic) that He faced over the 33 years He walked the earth in the flesh. He wouldn't have had to put on the flesh in the first place and be humiliated. Because we wouldn't need it if God could approve it and be OK with it. And exactly whose example are we supposed to follow? Jesus and His apostles or the leaders of the postmodern culture that everybody is so impressed with and wants to gain the approval of? Seems like an easy enough question to answer...just hard to live out unless we abide in Jesus and work under the guidance of the Holy Spirit from Scripture.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-344395827757794372013-06-07T11:29:31.541-07:002013-06-07T11:29:31.541-07:00There's some interesting application to the co...There's some interesting application to the conversation in <br /><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2013/06/06/this-is-what-an-american-college-aged-atheist-looks-like/%22" rel="nofollow">this</a>. <br /><br />To wit:<br /><br />"Following our 2010 debate in Billings, Montana, I asked Christopher Hitchens why he didn’t try to savage me on stage the way he had so many others. His reply was immediate and emphatic: “Because you believe it.” Without fail, our former church-attending students expressed similar feelings for those Christians who unashamedly embraced biblical teaching. Michael, a political science major at Dartmouth, told us that he is drawn to Christians like that, adding: “I really can’t consider a Christian a good, moral person if he isn’t trying to convert me.” As surprising as it may seem, this sentiment is not as unusual as you might think. It finds resonance in the well-publicized comments of Penn Jillette, the atheist illusionist and comedian: “I don’t respect people who don’t proselytize. I don’t respect that at all. If you believe that there’s a heaven and hell and people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life or whatever, and you think that it’s not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward…. How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?” Comments like these should cause every Christian to examine his conscience to see if he truly believes that Jesus is, as he claimed, “the way, the truth, and the life.”<br /><br />I wonder if appreciation for this type of consistency when it comes to the issue of homosexuality is an exception to this trend. Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15772112918132530662013-06-07T07:22:34.088-07:002013-06-07T07:22:34.088-07:00Oh come on Grant. The tulip isn't even my favo...Oh come on Grant. The tulip isn't even my favorite flower, and I say _even if you aren't a Christian_, homosexuality should strike you as bizarre and unnatural by the natural light, and as for those who _claim_ to take the Bible with a modicum of seriousness, there is _not even the tiniest shred of an excuse_ for not agreeing wholeheartedly with Fred on this.yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60905280113332282592013-06-07T06:58:12.186-07:002013-06-07T06:58:12.186-07:00Yea and amen to your post. That is all.Yea and amen to your post. That is all.Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611894544220674901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25692418321063995792013-06-07T06:20:36.049-07:002013-06-07T06:20:36.049-07:00Grant H (profile conveniently unavailable) asks,
A...Grant H (profile conveniently unavailable) asks,<br /><i>And is it not also fair that Fred apply this consideration to himself?</i><br /><br />Indeed. I have, and I am not. <br /><br />Continuing, <br /><i>But I think he takes it too far when he demands to control how his rebuke is received by its human object.,</i><br /><br />Oh no. I have never demanded that. I expect, knowing the depravity of man (being a TULIP Calvinist and all) that they will react harshly to my criticism. <br /><br />My intention is that I make it clear to them that they cannot honestly return to their gay friends and complain that no one ever answered my questions or heard me out, or whatever. <br /><br />They have been answered, they have been challenged, and they have no excuse to be comfortable in their chosen destructive lifestyle. Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78482878983924117492013-06-07T05:30:59.515-07:002013-06-07T05:30:59.515-07:00@Grant H.
There's no way to make a truthful p...@Grant H.<br /><br />There's no way to make a truthful presentation of the Gospel and not be offensive. In fact, if the world loves you, you're-doing-it-wrong. Paul Washer made the analogy of when a doctor (truthfully) told his mother that she had cancer. Imagine how horrible that must have made her feel. Imagine how horrible you would feel if you found out you had cancer. But the alternative would be for the doctor to say nothing and just let his mother stay happy for a while, while she mistakenly believes she is healthy. The type of "Christians" that Webster Hunt comically describes are not merely silly and dumb...they're in fact very cruel, because there depriving a person of information to get well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30361764783916595652013-06-07T05:28:40.441-07:002013-06-07T05:28:40.441-07:00Frank: that's very kind and encouraging of you...Frank: that's very kind and encouraging of you.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77436658328619936302013-06-07T05:27:45.845-07:002013-06-07T05:27:45.845-07:00Grant H — did you actually read the post? This pos...Grant H — did you actually read the post? This post, on this blog, the one to which you're appending a comment? Did you do that before commenting?<br /><br />If you did, were you <i>meaning</i> to be ironic, or perform a self-parody?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65089258673522351022013-06-07T04:59:27.745-07:002013-06-07T04:59:27.745-07:00There are days when there ought to be no other blo...There are days when there ought to be no other blogs on the internet becuase Dan is really THAT good.<br /><br />This is one of those days.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14303976150827033292013-06-06T21:32:13.805-07:002013-06-06T21:32:13.805-07:00@ Paul Reed
THEE:
"Whenever we engage in the...@ Paul Reed<br /><br />THEE:<br />"<i>Whenever we engage in these debates on homosexuality, it seems as if we start with the assumption that the Bible is just a bunch of myths and stories, with little truth value. Basically, the same thing as the Koran.</i>"<br /><br />To an outsider who is not committed to the Bible as you are, it may as well be the Qur'an. You've seen the ranting Islamist demanding submission to his holy text? Your modus operandi will not seem so different to many observers.<br /> <br />THEE:<br />"<i>Let us grant for sake of argument that us condemning homosexuality will lead to bullying of gay teens or hurt their self esteem. Is that anything compared to what Hell will be like for them if they don't repent?</i>" <br /><br />You appear to be condoning collateral violence against homosexual youth as a justifiable <i>lesser evil</i> compared to eventual hellfire - akin to the <i>God will know his own</i> and <i>the end justifies the means</i> rationales. That way lies the justification of atrocity. Not saying you're there yet, but you’ve trod an early step in that direction. Slippery slopes, indeed. <br />Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28972475479934238462013-06-06T20:47:18.756-07:002013-06-06T20:47:18.756-07:00@Robert
"I am amazed at how many people I hav...@Robert<br />"I am amazed at how many people I have spoken to and showed them where the Bible says something and they say, "Yea, but...""<br /><br />Very true. We have to accept that only a minority of self-proclaimed Christians truly care what the Bible says (Matthew 7:21 ) The most common sodomite retort I hear is to change the subject and point to areas that most self-proclaimed Christians ignore. They'll say, "Look, Jesus clearly states the rich won't enter heaven, and yet you've never lost any sleep over that nor feel a need to preach against being rich. When you understand why you don't take that passage at face value, you'll understand why I don't take the passage on homosexuality at face value."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34795140928154513732013-06-06T20:38:57.876-07:002013-06-06T20:38:57.876-07:00Brilliant post, Dan. Whenever we engage in these ...Brilliant post, Dan. Whenever we engage in these debates on homosexuality, it seems as if we start with the assumption that the Bible is just a bunch of myths and stories, with little truth value. Basically, the same thing as the Koran. Look if care even slightly about someone, we'll tell them the truth about what will happen if they stay in bondage to homosexuality. We forget that Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone else in the Bible. Was he being cruel? Let us grant for sake of argument that us condemning homosexuality will lead to bullying of gay teens or hurt their self esteem. Is that anything compared to what Hell will be like for them if they don't repent? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20701590697396904972013-06-06T18:55:14.570-07:002013-06-06T18:55:14.570-07:00Fred the Hip-Smiter requests his LGBT quarry to “C...Fred the Hip-Smiter requests his LGBT quarry to “Consider the fact that you may be wrong – fatally so.” Fair enough. And is it not also fair that Fred apply this consideration to himself? After all, even today’s firmly TULIP convictions may also seem “twisted nonsense” in a decade’s time. It happens. <br />It’s fair enough, too, that Fred lays down his “stinging rebuke”. But I think he takes it too far when he demands to control how his rebuke is received by its human object., i.e. “Don’t interpret any pointed criticism as an ignorant, bigoted attack against you.” By all means, deliver the presup broadside, but don’t expect those so blasted to esteem your motives. You don’t see yourself as their bigot, but, then, they don’t see themselves as your hellbound reprobates.<br />Grant Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04229808796944976651noreply@blogger.com