tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post1633625935345829093..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Helping people: beware category-confusionPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12152843140454685382007-07-05T07:13:00.000-07:002007-07-05T07:13:00.000-07:00Great post... encouraging. I went to my pastor rec...Great post... encouraging. I went to my pastor recently for counseling on depression. Does anyone think that taking medication (for anxiety or depression) is a sin? (Or simply not trusting God?) I'm really struggling with this one...! I've read the word translated "sorcery" in the Bible is the Greek word pharmakeia, where we get the English word "pharmacy."Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12532012579871159621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88770801272574961942007-07-05T07:08:00.000-07:002007-07-05T07:08:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Emilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12532012579871159621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46148598782135925972007-06-28T05:28:00.000-07:002007-06-28T05:28:00.000-07:00What I remember and understand about nouthetic cou...What I remember and understand about nouthetic counseling doesn't conflict with anything I've said, I think. Adams left room for issues rooted in truly physical causes and, as I recall, advocated working in conjunction with a good physician. Plus, I think that the image of nouthetic counseling as saying that every problem is directly rooted in a particular sin is a caricature, and not accurate.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71268086516963903982007-06-25T21:57:00.000-07:002007-06-25T21:57:00.000-07:00Dan, how does this post best apply to Nouthetic Co...Dan, how does this post best apply to Nouthetic Counseling?Sparrowhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15968457543896261863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48487808108083479612007-06-25T20:27:00.000-07:002007-06-25T20:27:00.000-07:00"~mark — This is late, but to add to your story, I..."~mark — This is late, but to add to your story, I knew another lady, who had a doctor almost tangentially discover a B12 deficiency. Another marked improvement in overall mood and outlook, no psychotropic drugs, a physical issue."<BR/><BR/>Yup! B complex vitamins are being discovered to be vital in everyday body functioning, and probably not coincidentally the clinic that treats my ADHD was founded by and run by Christians! (Not a necessity, butanice surprise.)<BR/><BR/>Having said that, I DO believe that once sin is found to be the primary problem, it does become a "quick-fix" issue: go and sin no more. ;)~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30563167071718207382007-06-25T12:01:00.000-07:002007-06-25T12:01:00.000-07:00Oh this is SO good. I'm glad somebody finally addr...Oh this is SO good. I'm glad somebody finally addressed the complexities of the matter. All too often, we've been hasty to judge or offer counsel. Having suffered through more than one major depression in my adult life, I found everything you shared to be true, only it took me nearly 30 years to gain some wisdom about it...<BR/><BR/>God bless you!Vickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08601718675860240867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15975001970714139482007-06-23T22:52:00.000-07:002007-06-23T22:52:00.000-07:00This was a great post. I have read several of your...This was a great post. I have read several of your previous posts, but this one caused me to blog about it. Thanks for your insight and challenge. God bless you!JulieMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01217474724223801870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68075605377294183772007-06-23T21:45:00.000-07:002007-06-23T21:45:00.000-07:00Well said Dan. I just know that you are prepping ...Well said Dan. I just know that you are prepping yourself for some kind of ministry. I seems too obvious. May God continue to work in and through you brother. Also, great sermon last week brother. I didn't get to hear the evening one. But the morning one was awesome. Those are the kind of tear jerkers I don't mind. Unlike the three jokes and a sad story kind. <BR/><BR/>I am reminded that the Puritans were called "Physicians of the soul". And that, for good reason. They really got down to the heart of the matter that ailed people. I think you hit the nail on the head here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36620538491933717572007-06-22T20:27:00.000-07:002007-06-22T20:27:00.000-07:00Thanks for the post. It helps me solidify many of ...Thanks for the post. It helps me solidify many of my own thoughts.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08033308564063077822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3682123200442616182007-06-22T18:41:00.000-07:002007-06-22T18:41:00.000-07:00"Helping people is HARRRRD"Love it *chuckle* but, ..."Helping people is HARRRRD"<BR/><BR/>Love it *chuckle* but, it's SOOOO true!<BR/><BR/>I have to completely agree with Daniel's comment on this post, concerning the timeliness and appropriateness of it's message. Indeed.<BR/><BR/>Wonderful, Dan. Thanks.Kristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09208753353162363484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35566347341552789112007-06-22T12:46:00.000-07:002007-06-22T12:46:00.000-07:00Superb, Dan.Superb, Dan.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350390523818046990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42553597595592836262007-06-22T12:35:00.000-07:002007-06-22T12:35:00.000-07:00It is always fun to read a good sermon with Biblic...It is always fun to read a good sermon with Biblical quotations and a quotation from an Ent sage.<BR/> I have been told that my name "Brent" was chosen for me because it has "Ent" in it.<BR/> Thank you for your post. I'd thank you in Entish, but such an expression of gratitude would be very lengthy.brentjthomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16197159838621341857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38864987879459133372007-06-22T11:13:00.000-07:002007-06-22T11:13:00.000-07:00(stand back, hearing aids down, please)Praise God ...(stand back, hearing aids down, please)<BR/><BR/>Praise God Almighty!<BR/><BR/>Seriously, DJP, you've hit it on the head...there is no such thing as Cookie Cutter Christianity©...and those deliverance ministries that want to do it in a flash are just a flash in the pan of the flesh...Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8230841277753158592007-06-22T11:12:00.000-07:002007-06-22T11:12:00.000-07:00~mark — This is late, but to add to your story, I ...<B>~mark</B> — This is late, but to add to your story, I knew another lady, who had a doctor almost tangentially discover a B12 deficiency. Another <I>marked</I> improvement in overall mood and outlook, no psychotropic drugs, a physical issue.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49556236794751104662007-06-22T10:50:00.000-07:002007-06-22T10:50:00.000-07:00Doesn't matter. You all contribute in your own pa...Doesn't matter. You all contribute in your own particular ways. Praise the Lord for your work.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74362801863930999922007-06-22T10:32:00.000-07:002007-06-22T10:32:00.000-07:00Most of the Pyro logo graphics, specifically, are ...Most of the Pyro logo graphics, specifically, are Phil. Lately, Frank's been doing some. My count stands at... let's see... carry the zero... hmm....<BR/><BR/>None!<BR/><BR/>(c:DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16756998343477190912007-06-22T10:21:00.000-07:002007-06-22T10:21:00.000-07:00This is a very insightful post. There's a lot her...This is a very insightful post. There's a lot here to ponder and think about, and I have no doubt I'll have reason to call upon the advice you provided here at some point in the future. Thank you, Dan.<BR/><BR/>But can I also say the graphics for this post are superb in their simplicity and expressiveness? The broken logo, the reintegrated (made right) Rubik's cube. Who does all the graphics, anyhow? All of you? Phil?Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28322523533260495202007-06-22T10:03:00.000-07:002007-06-22T10:03:00.000-07:00To quote the Simpsons;"I've found that there's mor...To quote the Simpsons;<BR/><BR/>"I've found that there's more to ministry than not caring about people."<BR/><BR/>To quote James;<BR/><BR/>"Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post. Is good.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32853514719225607342007-06-22T09:48:00.000-07:002007-06-22T09:48:00.000-07:00Dan, I'm making my way through Lloyd-Jones's "Spir...Dan, I'm making my way through Lloyd-Jones's "Spiritual Depression" (yucky title), and finding it deep and uplifting. Totally biblical, too. <BR/><BR/>So often these days, uplifting sermons are like so much foam on the top of a Cap; and then they throw away the Cap.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51623487157941109352007-06-22T09:39:00.000-07:002007-06-22T09:39:00.000-07:00I know... self-pity is a sin issue... but... You k...I know... self-pity is a sin issue... but... You know what I mean.ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745048138757906197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86871153602614633782007-06-22T09:00:00.000-07:002007-06-22T09:00:00.000-07:00Dan:Good post. I found a book that was of great h...Dan:<BR/><BR/>Good post. I found a book that was of great help the more fully develops much of what you just posted here. It is "Blame It On The Brain" by Ed Welch. Highly recommend it.Matthew Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09560558150386821288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23810783278713626742007-06-22T08:54:00.000-07:002007-06-22T08:54:00.000-07:00This is such an excellent post. Another aspect of ...This is such an excellent post. <BR/><BR/>Another aspect of depression that I have found when in counseling situations is not so much a sin issue per say, as it is a self-pity issue. <BR/><BR/>That is why I love your encouragement to take time and not rush into some <I>diagnosis</I>.<BR/><BR/><I>As soon as you feel too old to do a thing, go out and do it. As soon as you feel critical, say something kind in a kindly way. As soon as you feel neglected, send a cheerful note to a friend.</I><BR/>~ Oliver Wilson<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Jon's wife, Lisaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01745048138757906197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60565709499558643242007-06-22T08:38:00.000-07:002007-06-22T08:38:00.000-07:00I was glad to read this today. There are no quick ...I was glad to read this today. There are no quick fixes. Spurgeon points this out in his Lectures To My Students. What can be dealt with today with a hug, may have to be dealt with with a frown tomorrow, even while dealing with the same person. Sometimes medication, sometimes confession and repentance.mark piersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882538938829765324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4494690279955591412007-06-22T07:58:00.000-07:002007-06-22T07:58:00.000-07:00I like it, though. It says a lot!I like it, though. It says a lot!Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58699253227968924812007-06-22T07:50:00.000-07:002007-06-22T07:50:00.000-07:00Or, "If helping people isn't being hard, you're pr...Or, "If helping people isn't being hard, you're probably not doing it right."<BR/><BR/>Kinda long, though.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com