tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2394826811605074982..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: The real problem with Pat RobertsonPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59229377870115473482014-10-24T15:24:40.267-07:002014-10-24T15:24:40.267-07:00This was very helpful & refreshing as a gradua...This was very helpful & refreshing as a graduate of Robertson's charismatic reeducation camp...wondering which faculty members might benefit from this. <br /><br />Virtually the whole faculty & staff could be divided into two groups: Charismatics of various levels of Biblical ignorance, errancy, and ghastly theology (which would include the more than a few who were higher critical or squishy on verbal inerrancy, as well as the near-everyone who accepted Catholics and Emerg*** as part of the Body), and then their equally-Biblically ignorant and theologically-ghastly but non charismatic enablers. No, not everyone on the faculty/staff was charismatic. But they at least didn't care. <br /><br />Students were roughly comparable as to the two groups, though they had the added problems of youthful immaturity & tunnel vision. <br /><br />The only good thing was that it was very rigorous academically, though it utilized very secular standards for doing so (which explains the higher criticism as well as the full-bore psychological integration in the counseling program).<br /><br />I pray often for the school, faculty, and students, that the Lord would produce revival and great fruitfulness as His people surrender to the fullness of the Truth.David Alveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09252954313261233579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34181983719153558572014-10-22T04:26:22.805-07:002014-10-22T04:26:22.805-07:00Amen. I think I'm going to ask my SS class thi...Amen. I think I'm going to ask my SS class this week what % of the Christian life the Bible is sufficient for and what percentage we still should be seeking some external sign and see what they say.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33318394936021082232014-10-21T12:22:19.822-07:002014-10-21T12:22:19.822-07:00Well, it seems to me that we're now talking ab...Well, it seems to me that we're now talking about some kind of weird binary universe where the reformed Charismatics are either merely enablers or merely not enablers -- when in the real world they could be (for example) critics of charismania and discerning prophets against false prophecy and the lot -- in which case, the huge gap they now create for normal people to step into with all gullibility would be filled up with some solid rock sort of stuff like Bible and wisdom and orthodoxy.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85083101138126863362014-10-21T11:40:52.398-07:002014-10-21T11:40:52.398-07:00Axioms #2 and #3 are always good to keep in mind. ...<a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2012/08/phillips-axioms.html" rel="nofollow">Axioms #2 and #3</a> are always good to keep in mind. Just sayin'.<br /><br />#helpfulDJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43074607675120931582014-10-21T11:14:03.487-07:002014-10-21T11:14:03.487-07:00Your snark is not helpful.
While the Reform Chari...Your snark is not helpful.<br /><br />While the Reform Charismatics merit justified pushback, the Pentecostals and Charismatics and the Word-Faithers would still have their platform.<br /><br />The Reform Charismatics are *not* most crucial to their platform.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59524032296148114952014-10-21T10:54:30.478-07:002014-10-21T10:54:30.478-07:00I'm so embarrassed for me.I'm so embarrassed for me.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58381788174367710222014-10-21T10:50:38.312-07:002014-10-21T10:50:38.312-07:00Honestly, Dan, when are you going to start having ...Honestly, Dan, when are you going to start having TUAD proof your posts for you so you can avoid making these mistakes? <br /><br />/snarkTom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20982231157382658882014-10-21T10:46:05.598-07:002014-10-21T10:46:05.598-07:00Hunh. So I should have added some qualifier, to ex...Hunh. So I should have added some qualifier, to expand it. Something like... oh, I don't know... "and-other"?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47205785430271105182014-10-21T10:42:53.398-07:002014-10-21T10:42:53.398-07:00"and most crucially (C) the Open-But-Clueless...<i>"and <b>most crucially</b> (C) the Open-But-Clueless crowd of Reformed-and-other enablers, Robertson would be without a platform."</i><br /><br />Although Grudem, Piper, Storms, Poythress, et al are Reform Charismatic enablers, Pat Robertson and the Pentecostals, Charismatics, Word-of-Faitherers, would still have an operational platform even without the Reform Charismatics providing theological cover. Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10468895605939634902014-10-21T10:20:38.339-07:002014-10-21T10:20:38.339-07:00And yet that opening statement is the crux of the ...And yet that opening statement is the crux of the whole. It is a clarifying statement which explains why the remainder of the statement is incompatible with Quakerism (the reason for its inclusion) or for that matter with Charismaticism, which is Quakerism reborn. <br /><br />On the whole, I'd rather face the Charismatic movement armed with the fuller and more developed statement of the Baptist Confession.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52391974523920257412014-10-21T09:53:25.843-07:002014-10-21T09:53:25.843-07:00Tom,
Except for the first line, up to "altho...Tom,<br /><br />Except for the first line, up to "although", the London Baptists borrowed this from the Westminster Confession, written 42 years earlier.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16216690375063381679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56364977729890785102014-10-21T08:40:28.996-07:002014-10-21T08:40:28.996-07:00On a more positive note, right on, Amen, you are c...On a more positive note, right on, Amen, you are correct. Excommunication indeed! We must call fools "fools" if we are to have any credibility at all. I have only once prayed publicly from the pulpit for God to destroy a man's ministry, and that man was Pat Robertson. <br /><br />All of which makes me (righteously) proud that it was Baptists who came up with this statement more than three centuries ago: <br /><br /><i>The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.</i><br />(<a href="http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc01.html" rel="nofollow">1689 Confession, Chapter 1, Paragraph 1</a>)Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14597557277628323402014-10-21T08:35:58.787-07:002014-10-21T08:35:58.787-07:00*galloping in on hobby horse*
...that's becau...<i>*galloping in on hobby horse*</i><br /><br />...that's because all Poythress ever did was apply Framian epistemological confusion to the question of da gifts...<br /><br /><i>*galloping away again*</i>Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4548076588456911732014-10-21T08:32:45.319-07:002014-10-21T08:32:45.319-07:00Regrettably, Poythress continues to be influential...Regrettably, Poythress continues to be influential. I was chagrined to see John Frame allude approvingly to this very argument in his new Systematic Theology (132).DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50970652097519587642014-10-21T08:26:23.999-07:002014-10-21T08:26:23.999-07:00Grudem's continuationalism I'm familiar wi...Grudem's continuationalism I'm familiar with, but Vern Poythress was a surprise - I must have missed that, so I'll jump back and read that other post. I thought Poythress was one of those Westminster stalwarts where the thought of anything charismatic was unheard of?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068196575763786944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18955727531573983132014-10-21T06:09:58.001-07:002014-10-21T06:09:58.001-07:00You would think that this post would get a lot of ...You would think that this post would get a lot of links, given that it's a clear example of TeamPyro demonstrating that we really do appreciate the good and helpful work of others.<br /><br />You would think.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.com