tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2408793822624716574..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: FarragoPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80107391138801003922007-08-01T07:20:00.000-07:002007-08-01T07:20:00.000-07:00Phil:Apology accepted and also extended for basica...<B>Phil:</B><BR/><BR/>Apology accepted and also extended for basically the same reasons.<BR/><BR/>I <B>do</B> think that the posters are unnecessary and unhelpful. As are the "response" posters that I've seen created here and there.<BR/><BR/>In retrospect, I'm glad that I sat on the ones that I created in response to both sets. ;-)Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32673550868740909462007-07-31T18:28:00.000-07:002007-07-31T18:28:00.000-07:00Okay, has anybody even wondered this? How gobsmac...Okay, has anybody even wondered this? How gobsmackingly unlikely is it that Phil would have mentioned Lew Wallace (a fascinating character many of us had likely never heard of), and one of the regular commenters <I>just happens</I> to have been commissioned to paint his portrait, and was able to fill in all that biographical stuff?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I'm just in some kind of weird, super-reflective mood today.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74139139685942804462007-07-31T18:24:00.000-07:002007-07-31T18:24:00.000-07:00That is a grammatical liberty up with which some p...That is a grammatical liberty up with which some people will not put.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79934903005138453842007-07-31T13:55:00.000-07:002007-07-31T13:55:00.000-07:00...to dangle a preposition....to dangle a preposition.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45030270106515949952007-07-31T12:38:00.000-07:002007-07-31T12:38:00.000-07:00Now there's a goal worth aiming at.(c;Now there's a goal worth aiming at.<BR/><BR/>(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86575734866371452222007-07-30T22:22:00.000-07:002007-07-30T22:22:00.000-07:00DJP,If you ever head down to the Big Texan to take...DJP,<BR/><BR/>If you ever head down to the Big Texan to take on the challenge, they will broadcast it live over the Internet:<BR/><BR/>http://www.bigtexan.com/72ozlive.htm<BR/><BR/>Please let us know in advance when it will happen. If you do it, us PyroFaniacs will call the Big Texans to congratulate you, effectively overloading and crashing the phone system within 30 miles of Amarillo. :-)Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45056759063746046152007-07-30T20:34:00.000-07:002007-07-30T20:34:00.000-07:00Brendt: "Read again: I never said that anyone here...<B>Brendt:</B> <I>"Read again: I never said that anyone here put any kind of label on me."</I><BR/><BR/>You're right; you didn't. And even if you had, my last comment to you didn't need to be so sharp-tongued. I apologize for that.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15660535396387586912007-07-30T18:19:00.000-07:002007-07-30T18:19:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12999068751746570362007-07-30T10:53:00.000-07:002007-07-30T10:53:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19945300715919250052007-07-30T08:50:00.000-07:002007-07-30T08:50:00.000-07:00It was a bad article from stem to stern.I think th...<I>It was a bad article from stem to stern.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that means that I misinterpreted. If so, I'm genuinely glad.<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not going to exegete it.</I><BR/><BR/>Don't recall asking you to do so. I just pointed out some basic glaring errors and asked if you agreed or not.<BR/><BR/>In the interest of full disclosure: I'm a sporadic reader of this blog, though I read a lot more than I comment. This article was the top one when I got here last night (for the first time in a while) and I commented on it not having seen the "motivational posters" posts below it. I find it mildly ironic that the creator of many of these posters is the same person who stated that the Pastore column "isn't really helpful to anyone" and concluded that "[i]t's an article that shouldn't have been written, much less posted online."<BR/><BR/><I>So I'll tell you what: you post a thorough analysis and critique of <B>A Generous Orthodoxy</B> or Rob Bell's latest video, and I'll to the same with the Pastore column.</I><BR/><BR/>I have no interest in shelling out $10 for a 5-minute video -- it's all I can do to shell out $1 to rent a video from that machine at Kroger. I have even less interest in reading McLaren. I've stated before that sometimes he seems to have lost his mind.<BR/><BR/>Besides, he is sooooo last week. Though Bell is still a contender, McLaren has been supplanted by Kimball as the leading bogeyman used to over-generalize the EC movement. Didn't you get the memo? ;-)<BR/><BR/>Further disclosure: I'm not a conservative emergent (with or without facetious quotation marks). In case the "lost his mind" comment didn't make it clear, I'm not <B>any</B> kind of emergent. I <I>have</I> been dismissively mislabeled as such on more than one occasion. Generally, this occurs when making a Scriptural argument that the other person doesn't like and has heard before from an EC-er. I don't really mind getting ignored, and it's actually kinda cozy under this bus.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45850209104084028652007-07-30T07:15:00.000-07:002007-07-30T07:15:00.000-07:00Crigler:It's like 8 feet.That's a joke in my house...Crigler:<BR/><BR/>It's like 8 feet.<BR/><BR/>That's a joke in my house, and I'm not "going to exegete it".FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39285605041338174882007-07-30T05:30:00.000-07:002007-07-30T05:30:00.000-07:00For those of us who "do the math" for a living, 72...For those of us who "do the math" for a living, 72 oz is 4.5 pounds. For the record.Jim Criglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437189788683651969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18495917611790064222007-07-30T04:27:00.000-07:002007-07-30T04:27:00.000-07:00Do I dare make this comparison on a Monday morning...Do I dare make this comparison on a Monday morning? Oh well, I'll take the plunge. Phil makes a good point about the conservative wing of the EC. Let's look at a good alternative example. <BR/><BR/>Since 9-11, how often have we heard the complaint that "moderate" Muslims have said very little to condemn the actions of their more radical brethren? Every time there is some sort of terrorist action, the so-called moderates are either silent, or they will give a perfunctory "well, we condemn all violence, BUT WHAT ISRAEL AND THE U.S. DO IS ALSO TERRORISM! You all are as bad or worse!" <BR/><BR/>Now I know that the comparison will rankle some, given that the EC radicals are not violent terrorists. That's a given and I shouldn't have to even point it out. But they DO do violence to biblical orthodoxy, and in the worst cases, does violence to the Gospel itself, which of course puts the whole idea of salvation in jeopardy. <BR/><BR/>I hate to use such an extreme example, but it's really the same thing. If some Emergent/Emerging people are out there peddling rank heresy, then their more biblically-attuned fellow travelers need to be just as vocal slapping it down.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65829931129963283202007-07-29T21:55:00.000-07:002007-07-29T21:55:00.000-07:00Brendt:It was a bad article from stem to stern. I'...<B>Brendt:</B><BR/><BR/>It was a bad article from stem to stern. I'm not going to exegete it. It's old news that's already been dissected all over the blogosphere, and I agree with most of the thoughtful <I>criticism</I> that's been leveled against it.<BR/><BR/>But I also think the level of raw <I>histrionics</I> it has generated among post-evangelicals is ridiculous and hypocritical. It would be really nice if the so-called "conservative" Emerging folk could muster one-tenth that much outrage against some of the bad teaching being promoted within their own movement. And that goes doubly for "conservative" Emerging leaders who speak at conferences alongside men and women who openly deny the authority of Scripture, and also co-author books with them.<BR/><BR/>So I'll tell you what: you post a thorough analysis and critique of <I>A Generous Orthodoxy</I> or Rob Bell's latest video, and I'll to the same with the Pastore column.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70473522849436197462007-07-29T19:34:00.000-07:002007-07-29T19:34:00.000-07:00Right, Gummby:...almost 42,000 people from around ...Right, Gummby:<BR/><BR/><I>...almost 42,000 people from around the world have traveled to Amarillo and attempted to eat the specially cut 72-oz. top sirloin steak, a baked potato, salad, dinner roll and shrimp cocktail. About 8,000 have succeeded in completing the feat and joining the ranks of Big Texan champions....</I><BR/><BR/>Fom <A HREF="http://www.bigtexan.com/72ozlive.htm" REL="nofollow">HERE</A>.<BR/><BR/>They also have a live cam.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35056644608885601542007-07-29T18:45:00.000-07:002007-07-29T18:45:00.000-07:00Do I misinterpret, or is your only problem with Pa...Do I misinterpret, or is your only problem with Pastore's article that it dampens the effect of non-psychotic criticism of the EC?<BR/><BR/>In other words, do you not also have a problem with the fact that Pastore:<BR/><BR/>* bears false witness by making lots of statements that are untrue<BR/>* shows just loads and loads of grace to his brothers and sisters<BR/>* thinks that <B>MAN</B> can stop radical Islam if he just has the right brand of religion and the right sub-category thereof<BR/><BR/>I would hope that even the most rational critic of the EC would be honest enough to decry this grossly unbiblical conduct, rather than simply see it as slowing down the rational criticism.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90542676931961966362007-07-29T12:56:00.000-07:002007-07-29T12:56:00.000-07:00Ah, the Big Texan. I've driven through Amarillo ma...Ah, the Big Texan. I've driven through Amarillo many a time and seen the signs, but never had a inkling to try for it. <BR/><BR/><B>DJP:</B> two words of caution. <BR/><BR/><B>1)</B> I worked with a guy who was able to finish it. He was what we call in Arkansas "a big boy." I'm sure stomach size is more important than overall physical size (the guy who wins the hot dog eating contest every year comes to mind), but still. <BR/><BR/><B>2)</B> My understanding is that it isn't only the steak, though that would be enough to put most people under the table. I think you also get a huge baked potato, salad, and some other side, and you don't actually fulfill the obligation unless your plate is clean. Otherwise, it'll cost you--and I think it's up to <I>almost</I> as much as a ticket to Disneyland. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and before cat month is over, I thought I'd make sure to include a link to <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eht-kEzq88w" REL="nofollow">Pinky the Cat</A>. No wonder I'm a dog person.Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82885884540434920442007-07-29T12:25:00.000-07:002007-07-29T12:25:00.000-07:00Fewer Christians in the Middle East - Since persec...Fewer Christians in the Middle East - Since persecution makes the Church grow, I wonder if it's only the <I>reported</I> number of Christians that's going downward. <BR/><BR/>Bear Grylls - It was the episode with the "wild stallions" that gave me my first serious doubts about the shows' authenticity. Ain't nobody gettin' that close to a truly wild stallion on the first try. Anybody notice how mr. Grylls moved away from starting fires by friction with a stick to using a flint? <BR/>Still- I'd rather watch Man vs. Wild than Survivorman. ;)~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48624086500415257282007-07-29T12:19:00.000-07:002007-07-29T12:19:00.000-07:00HA! No, don't change my favorite comment of the w...HA! No, don't change my favorite comment of the week!Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4340921973163422952007-07-29T08:59:00.000-07:002007-07-29T08:59:00.000-07:00Tom,Would you prefer "expurgated?" ;)Tom,<BR/><BR/>Would you prefer "expurgated?" ;)Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87827966068688230272007-07-29T08:23:00.000-07:002007-07-29T08:23:00.000-07:00One of the finest moments of English television in...One of the finest moments of English television in the last year was Bear Grylls and Harry Hill singing 'Bare necessities'. Priceless.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79038586984880962742007-07-29T07:07:00.000-07:002007-07-29T07:07:00.000-07:00I've read a bunch of Ingersoll, who was the Sam Ha...I've read a bunch of Ingersoll, who was the Sam Harris of his day, hugely popular at one time. It is interesting, however, to read the account of his funeral as opposed to that of D. L. Moody. Torrey wrote about them and it is a telling contrast.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34133114709712699582007-07-29T05:55:00.000-07:002007-07-29T05:55:00.000-07:00Be thankful Phil didn't mention how Gryllis keeps ...Be thankful Phil didn't mention how Gryllis keeps his head cool in hot climates.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48864259470981075942007-07-29T05:06:00.000-07:002007-07-29T05:06:00.000-07:00I just hope this Bear Grylls thing doesn't get "th...I just hope this Bear Grylls thing doesn't get "thrown up ad nauseam."Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30991845000067759512007-07-29T04:53:00.000-07:002007-07-29T04:53:00.000-07:00Kim: I can't click the links either. Gack!Kim: I can't click the links either. Gack!Carla Rolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09395062089776262435noreply@blogger.com