tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2501165347407031575..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Gutsy gracePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71558974524865704722007-06-05T20:01:00.000-07:002007-06-05T20:01:00.000-07:00OK, here's my point. Be warned. It ain't short.As ...OK, here's my point. Be warned. It ain't short.<BR/><BR/>As the main point of a related post and a side point of this post is the unnecessary nature of naming names, I want to secure a bit of anonymity for Dan and this blog. Given that, I'm going to split up the URL a bit so there are no trackbacks, pingbacks, pongbacks, etc. Just remove the spaces:<BR/><BR/>http:// csaproductions . com/ blog/ ?p=685Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70116278851052242512007-05-29T07:16:00.000-07:002007-05-29T07:16:00.000-07:00I pray the Lord would be merciful to this family. ...I pray the Lord would be merciful to this family. And may He be seen through this suffering that they have to endure. Amen.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55724098682827426572007-05-28T21:54:00.000-07:002007-05-28T21:54:00.000-07:00Realized that I really needed to expand it, and th...Realized that I really needed to expand it, and that it was worth putting on my blog.<BR/><BR/>Finished up writing it, checked email before proofing it, and saw that I got this <A HREF="http://csaproductions.com/blog/?p=689" REL="nofollow">serious prayer request</A>. So I'm leaving the prayer request at the top of my blog, and going on a posting fast for now.<BR/><BR/>Just so you don't think I totally disappeared.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56187217948041904622007-05-25T19:03:00.000-07:002007-05-25T19:03:00.000-07:00Looking forward to being enlightened. I can be qui...Looking forward to being enlightened. I can be quite a dumkofpt at times.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24171231314216675142007-05-25T08:16:00.000-07:002007-05-25T08:16:00.000-07:00You keep getting further and further from my point...You keep getting further and further from my point. I'll try to spell it out later, when I have a bit more time.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69409304250603126222007-05-24T19:52:00.000-07:002007-05-24T19:52:00.000-07:00"I thought I made it clear that my concern was abo..."I thought I made it clear that my concern was about readers."<BR/><BR/>So saying harsh things about a heretic is bad for the readers?<BR/><BR/>The Apostle Paul didn't think so.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38960501970464770492007-05-24T14:21:00.000-07:002007-05-24T14:21:00.000-07:00If you honestly think I'm rushing to the defense o...If you honestly think I'm rushing to the defense of Pelagius, you've missed my point by a <B>long</B> ways. Besides, I don't think he reads this blog and I thought I made it clear that my concern was about readers.Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20882831132573577542007-05-24T10:16:00.000-07:002007-05-24T10:16:00.000-07:00brendt,Didn't Pelagian believe that one who was bo...brendt,<BR/><BR/>Didn't Pelagian believe that one who was born again could become unborn again?<BR/><BR/>This may sound harsh to you, but I think his teaching was quite harsh.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65848126148228159262007-05-24T08:50:00.000-07:002007-05-24T08:50:00.000-07:00Imagine, if you will, your favorite meal, prepared...Imagine, if you will, your favorite meal, prepared exactly as you like it. No, really, think about it. Get a mental picture. If it helps, close your eyes for a second. Just be sure to open them to read on.<BR/><BR/>Now imagine something else right in the middle of the plate. It's quite small -- in fact, it's only big enough to be identifiable. You squint just a bit and realize that it's a "gift" from the poodle across the street.<BR/><BR/>How appetizing is that meal now?<BR/><BR/>The meal is this post. It's fabulous, chock full of Scripture and insight, lots of stuff to consider and (hopefully) incorporate into our lives. It even has a cool acrostic.<BR/><BR/>The "gift" is this line: <I>We rightly oppose the Pelagian/Arminian "daisy" of "He loves me, He loves me not."</I> The "daisy" joke is about as funny as Kerry's botched joke (and this from a Calvinist and Dr Sproul fan -- who is the person I first heard it from -- dunno if he created it).<BR/><BR/>This is not the first time that I've seem this kind of thing on this blog. Why is it deemed necessary to write a long, thoughtful and largely generic post, and then add one line that is both totally unnecessary to the point, and has the power to alienate readers? Are those who might be alienated by such a comment unworthy of learning the greater truth?Brendthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10887039889675340441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3582431053775227392007-05-24T07:48:00.000-07:002007-05-24T07:48:00.000-07:00"The one is the necessary cause of the other. If o..."The one is the necessary cause of the other. If our doctrine of grace does not include both truths, it is at best sub-Biblical, and at worst anti-Biblical."<BR/><BR/>POWERFUL!mark piersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13882538938829765324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77321929907003843712007-05-24T03:53:00.000-07:002007-05-24T03:53:00.000-07:00Gracias a Dios. El gusto es mio.<I>Gracias a Dios. El gusto es mio.</I>DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55287116260767777812007-05-23T18:26:00.000-07:002007-05-23T18:26:00.000-07:00Senor Phillips, this was a beautiful, poetic, memo...Senor Phillips, this was a beautiful, poetic, memorable post. Helpful. Thank you! !Muchas Gracias!brentjthomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16197159838621341857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29339714510688434592007-05-22T20:15:00.000-07:002007-05-22T20:15:00.000-07:00Excellent post!It is fascinating to think that not...Excellent post!<BR/><BR/>It is fascinating to think that not only does grace provide salvation and work in sanctification, but also grace was given to each individual believer in the form of a gift to help build up the church, so that each of us (believers) may build up the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of Christ... (Ephesians 4:7-16)<BR/><BR/>Grace is given for our own good, but it is also provided as a responsibility to build His church.<BR/><BR/>I am still thinking about the impact of this truth in my life as it is abundantly clear that I have a role to play in building up His church. Indeed how amazing His grace is!Jmv7000https://www.blogger.com/profile/05862050692091274115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-931992743033449342007-05-22T19:14:00.000-07:002007-05-22T19:14:00.000-07:00" ..a Christian can have little or no visible frui..." ..a Christian can have little or no visible fruit but still be saved." -pastor steve<BR/><BR/>"But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the Word and understands, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." Matt. 13:23<BR/><BR/>I would say the Lord is giving us a principle here.<BR/>Some will have much fruit in their lives, and others won't have so much.<BR/><BR/>Those who hear, will understand and will follow the Good Shepherd. That's a promise. John 10:27-30donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38743205056982671212007-05-22T18:22:00.000-07:002007-05-22T18:22:00.000-07:00For me the problem is not that grace will produce ...For me the problem is not that grace will produce sanctification (works), but rather, how many good works will grace produce? Obviously this is subjective, but I run into people regularly that say that a Christian can have little or no visible fruit but still be saved. That frustrates me, but is hard to argue against. The subjectivity is what gets me. <BR/><BR/>Also, how does our sanctification work into the overall plan of God's sovereignty and His ability to produce in us what He wills? We are responsible to obey, but ultimately it is God's work. I get dizzy thinking through sanctifying grace as it relates to a more calvinistic form of theology.Pastor Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064672747243307518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83862565143938103202007-05-22T16:06:00.000-07:002007-05-22T16:06:00.000-07:00A dispense-sationalist! It will be pure grace if y...A dispense-sationalist! It will be pure grace if you're not struck down for that one.<BR/><BR/>Why is jelly called jelly? Is jelly perserves, or are preserves called jam? And what about compote, and....<BR/><BR/>One definition that might help is what ML Jones said about the word blessed in Ephesians 1.6. It is sometimes rendered highly favored concerning Mary, or freely bestowed concerning the saints. It is only used twice in the NT. It means to receive the fullness of grace, or all that grace has to do with: to make graceful, charming, lovely, agreeable, to peruse with grace, compass with favour, <BR/>to honour with blessings. In short it means all the fullness of the inheritance, as Ephesians says, joint heirs with Christ who we percieve as full of grace and truth.<BR/><BR/>One way to look at grace is that of a tote sack. Inside are gifts. It is the greatest gift itself, for inside are all the riches of Christ made freely bestowed on his beloved. It is more than a static "sack" however, for the gifts come to us in none other than the giver himself. And, more than than, he does not just present himself a grabbag of favor, but comes to reside in us so that the possession of the contents of the gift become one with us.<BR/><BR/>I think that the resurrection of Lazarus is a good example of grace in motion. From the beginning of this scene, all that happens is under controll of the giver. The delays are a gift used for the very purpose of making preparation for the demonstration of the efficacy of "I am the resurrection." In Christ's prayer we hear his prayer thanking the Father that he has prepared this gift for these over whom he wept. What was said was said for them so that they might believe. Lazarus himself is a picture of this unbounded favor. He is called forth from death, brought out of the grave by the power of the Holy Spirit. Then Christ does an interesting thing. He has those standing near remove the grave clothes. What amazing grace he has bestowed in making the family of God help meet, a means of grace, in the sanctifying of one returned from the dead. And, all this a work of grace, gifts freely given.Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7779365867772214382007-05-22T14:35:00.000-07:002007-05-22T14:35:00.000-07:00"Their God-given and authoritative notion of grace...<I>"Their God-given and authoritative notion of grace is that of <B>gutsy grace</B>, a grace which atones, redeems, converts, regenerates, sanctifies, empowers, and keeps."</I><BR/><BR/>Very well said.Michael W. Brewer Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05697662761522337828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38133648955497249612007-05-22T14:02:00.000-07:002007-05-22T14:02:00.000-07:00Sewing...agreed. I would have to be an Arminian go...Sewing...agreed. I would have to be an Arminian god...fortunately I am neither God nor Arminian...just sleep deprived. (month old baby's will do that to a guy...)Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30626317903774379602007-05-22T13:56:00.000-07:002007-05-22T13:56:00.000-07:00Thanks, Dan, for this, as the Holy Spirit has been...Thanks, Dan, for this, as the Holy Spirit has been leading me in exactly the same direction: grace brings us to salvation, and bears the fruit of sanctification.<BR/><BR/>Alas, I think the (non-)perseverance of saved food is an illustration that serves Arminians better than Calvinists. The less time spent on the analogy, the better!<BR/><BR/>I saw <I>Ali G in da House.</I> That was just weird. And then to see Ali G and Borat having a converstation in one scene was just surreal.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39052101969346146422007-05-22T13:52:00.000-07:002007-05-22T13:52:00.000-07:00My refrigerator bears witness to the fact that I a...My refrigerator bears witness to the fact that I am unable to provide eternal salvation to my food. <BR/><BR/>So much for perserverance of the saints...Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77017072599654381092007-05-22T13:13:00.000-07:002007-05-22T13:13:00.000-07:00That's "Eas'side Massiv" to you, bro.Booyahkasha,y...That's "Eas'side Massiv" to you, bro.<BR/><BR/>Booyahkasha,yo.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85863117211419582232007-05-22T13:11:00.000-07:002007-05-22T13:11:00.000-07:00When I'm saving my food, I'm more of a Tupper-laps...When I'm saving my food, I'm more of a Tupper-lapsarian. It's wasteful to be a dispensationalist.<BR/><BR/>However, I condemn lima beans to be a food created for destruction.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5452597718701123572007-05-22T13:02:00.000-07:002007-05-22T13:02:00.000-07:00David,The salvation of your food depends on whethe...David,<BR/><BR/>The salvation of your food depends on whether you give it the gift of faith and repentance as well and not just common grace.<BR/><BR/>The question is, how long must the "grace given" be before it constitutes saving grace?<BR/><BR/>Remembering of course that broccoli and bananas are not of the elect.<BR/><BR/>(Are you a supper-lapsarian...)Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58978867379538805272007-05-22T12:47:00.000-07:002007-05-22T12:47:00.000-07:00And I thought grace was what I said before dinner....And I thought grace was what I said before dinner.<BR/><BR/>Does my food get saved?David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71260230788110794382007-05-22T12:01:00.000-07:002007-05-22T12:01:00.000-07:00Yeah, Libbie; and I don't even KNOW from Ali G.Tha...Yeah, Libbie; and I don't even KNOW from Ali G.<BR/><BR/>That Frank, he's so cool.<BR/><BR/>Dude's from ARKansas, yo.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com