tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2580052533557973203..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: What in the "world"?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6856577489714655702013-06-21T12:46:10.586-07:002013-06-21T12:46:10.586-07:00Are we allowed to 5 star something twice?Are we allowed to 5 star something twice?Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49251766301366281432013-04-24T22:25:41.440-07:002013-04-24T22:25:41.440-07:00Robert Warren:
HAHAHA! Exactly!!
Man, that was a...Robert Warren:<br /><br />HAHAHA! Exactly!!<br /><br />Man, that was a much needed laugh tonight. Thank you, sir. Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16874218118452167822013-04-24T18:36:25.861-07:002013-04-24T18:36:25.861-07:00Peter:
Thanks for your straightforward follow-up. ...Peter:<br />Thanks for your straightforward follow-up. The distinction that I had in mind with the OT high priest was God's people (Israelites & proselytes) vs everyone else, whereas your point was to the elect in Israel vs. the non-elect. Robert Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03174579068882302654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63868571930545075062013-04-24T17:43:02.137-07:002013-04-24T17:43:02.137-07:001) Short answer - I don't know why. (Sorry)
2...1) Short answer - I don't know why. (Sorry)<br /><br />2) No He does not Advocate for unbelievers. I take the "we" in verse 1 to refer to Believers. The High Priest in the OT made atonement for the whole Nation - but did that atonement take effect for every individual? That is, was every OT Israelite saved?<br /><br />The High Priest made propitiation for all on the Day of Atonement (typically of course), but it was only effective for those who believed in the LORD. That to me, perfectly pictures the work of Christ. <br /><br />Not sure if that answers your questions.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213122688652360592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-783400434200878042013-04-24T05:45:56.472-07:002013-04-24T05:45:56.472-07:00"To propitiate = to appease or satisfy, hence...<i>"To propitiate = to appease or satisfy, hence Christ by His death and shed blood satisfied the righteous demands of God against man for breaking His Law (from 'hilasmos' &'hilasterion' - the mercy seat and the atoning blood on the mercy seat)<br />That's my understanding. Am I on the right track?"</i><br />Close enough for me (I'm no authority).<br />I have 2 points, 1 of which you've certainly heard and considered (but one for which I've not heard a satisfactory answer), namely, if Jesus has satisfied the wrath of God for unbelievers as well, why will they spend eternity under God's wrath?<br />2 - Does Jesus advocate (verse 1) for the unbelievers that you indicate verse 2 covers? If not, why not? The high priesthood, which was a type of Christ, made sacrifice and advocated for the same group. If so, is there disagreement between Persons of the Trinity, whereby Jesus advocates for those on whom God is pouring out eternal wrath?Robert Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03174579068882302654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35349163296003746772013-04-24T05:17:50.981-07:002013-04-24T05:17:50.981-07:00One would wonder how people would react if we took...One would wonder how people would react if we took the words they said and interpreted them the way they do with the Bible. Context is always required to properly interpret/understand any form of communication. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68733852873916309572013-04-23T22:40:02.002-07:002013-04-23T22:40:02.002-07:00Hi Robert,
To propitiate = to appease or satisfy,...Hi Robert,<br /><br />To propitiate = to appease or satisfy, hence Christ by His death and shed blood satisfied the righteous demands of God against man for breaking His Law (from 'hilasmos' &'hilasterion' - the mercy seat and the atoning blood on the mercy seat)<br /><br />That's my understanding. Am I on the right track?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213122688652360592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-92198975454690359652013-04-23T20:56:14.030-07:002013-04-23T20:56:14.030-07:00I used to be what you would call an Arminian, but ...I used to be what you would call an Arminian, but after reading this I think I'm sold. This is so iron-clad, so water tight, I see no other possibility of escaping it's logic. <br />Dan, you must be some kind of genius to think this stuff up, it's seriously so amazing.<br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11630461838295942309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10245340211201308332013-04-23T18:04:06.643-07:002013-04-23T18:04:06.643-07:00Peter:
What do you believe "propitiation"...Peter:<br />What do you believe "propitiation" means?Robert Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03174579068882302654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2185720156435901302013-04-23T17:58:14.247-07:002013-04-23T17:58:14.247-07:00"Will you be screaming that while standing on...<i>"Will you be screaming that while standing on top of your hands, standing on your feet or standing on a stump?<br />Every time I hear that I get the funniest mental image."</i><br /><a href="http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/146/1/e/Standing_on_top_of_my_hands____by_Chrishankhah.jpg" rel="nofollow">Is<br />it anything like this?</a>Robert Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03174579068882302654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53259137650871819272013-04-23T17:38:37.986-07:002013-04-23T17:38:37.986-07:00Dan, just wanted you to know . . . five stars. Dan, just wanted you to know . . . five stars. Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79853893499079372602013-04-23T17:27:09.033-07:002013-04-23T17:27:09.033-07:00Chantry, don't forget the "WILL"Chantry, don't forget the "WILL"Morris Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18083884122271855154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18582112484174302352013-04-23T15:56:33.714-07:002013-04-23T15:56:33.714-07:00Thanks Dan - great post. Although I take the "...Thanks Dan - great post. Although I take the "Arminian" view on I John 2:2, ("ours" and the "whole world" - saved & unsaved - all sins are propitiated)... I absolutely agree on the multiple meanings of the word. In my opinion, Marvin Vincent gives the best explanation of its usages - <br /><br />word (kosmos)<br /><br />(a) ornament, arrangement, order (I Peter 3:3) <br /><br />(b) the sum-total of the material universe considered as a system (Mat 13:35; John 17:5; Acts 17:24; Phi 2:15)<br /><br />(c) That universe as the abode of man (John 16:21; 1 John 3:17) <br /><br />(d) The sum-total of humanity in the world; the human race (John 1:29, 4:42) <br /><br />(e) In the ethical sense, the sum-total of human life in the ordered world, considered apart from, alienated from, and hostile to God, and of the earthly things which seduce from God. (John 7:7, 15:18, 17:9, 17:14, 1 Cor 1:20, 1:21; 2 Cor 7:10; James 4:4)Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16213122688652360592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19166425466701692432013-04-23T15:01:26.094-07:002013-04-23T15:01:26.094-07:00That's Frankly insulting.That's Frankly insulting.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36800571677883905232013-04-23T13:53:37.197-07:002013-04-23T13:53:37.197-07:00For the record, I think it was actually Chantry...For the record, I think it was actually Chantry's fault this time.Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47914075940904307552013-04-23T13:31:39.569-07:002013-04-23T13:31:39.569-07:00Maybe Frank just means Frank, period.Maybe Frank just means Frank, period.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48093734927392892182013-04-23T12:57:52.008-07:002013-04-23T12:57:52.008-07:00Frank comments on-topic.
Meta derails, anyway.
I...Frank comments on-topic.<br /><br />Meta derails, anyway.<br /><br />Is there a causal relation regardless?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62047729702407537802013-04-23T12:54:24.297-07:002013-04-23T12:54:24.297-07:00Restaurant greeter seeking to seat a group of cont...Restaurant greeter seeking to seat a group of contortionists attending their annual meeting and breaking for lunch:<br /><br />Greeter: "Are all contortionists?"<br /><br />Contortionist: "Yes ma'am."<br /><br />Greeter: "Including Tom Chantry?"Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38412941089068342942013-04-23T12:39:20.584-07:002013-04-23T12:39:20.584-07:00Will you be screaming that while standing on top o...<i>Will you be screaming that while standing on top of your hands, standing on your feet or standing on a stump<br /><br />Every time I hear that I get the funniest mental image. </i><br /><br />Hey, the modern, American Evangelical Arminian is already a mental contortionist. Why not be a real contortionist?Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85082129756059309812013-04-23T11:17:32.030-07:002013-04-23T11:17:32.030-07:00@DJP
A Biblically sane conversation. Talk about ...@DJP<br /><br />A Biblically sane conversation. Talk about rare. In most conversations I have with unbelievers and professing Christians, no one takes sin seriously. <br />Sin is something that you drink down like water and breathe like it's air. And so everyone becomes either a theoretical or practical universalist. <br />Sin's not really a concern, and so Hell's not really a concern. <br />Here's a sample of some of the tidbits I get when talking to them:<br /><br />A: God didn't have to provide a way for sinner's to be reconciled to Himself, but in His love, He has, and that is available to you.<br /><br />B: So God made hell, and God saves me from hell. It sounds like God is the solution to his own problem. We're created imperfect, yet commanded to be perfect.<br />Shouldn't we blame the architect and not the product?<br /><br />A: Any Just God must take sin seriously. Suppose a Judge just let the Boston Marathon bomber go without any punishment. What would you say about that judge?<br /><br />B: My mother recently died and she never accepted Jesus. Is she in hell? If she's not in hell, why worry about me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43593105619417030712013-04-23T11:06:17.974-07:002013-04-23T11:06:17.974-07:00Will you be screaming that while standing on top o...<i>Will you be screaming that while standing on top of your hands, standing on your feet or standing on a stump</i><br /><br />Every time I hear that I get the funniest mental image. Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82521097356853224702013-04-23T10:46:29.344-07:002013-04-23T10:46:29.344-07:00"bilious assertion" Ok, my week is tota..."bilious assertion" Ok, my week is totally edified and it's only Tuesday. Thank you Dan.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />(can't wait to use that somewhere...)Larry Geigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158449612437822789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90840825620002818842013-04-23T10:26:57.294-07:002013-04-23T10:26:57.294-07:00Chantry,
Will you be screaming that while standin...Chantry,<br /><br />Will you be screaming that while standing on top of your hands, standing on your feet or standing on a stump?<br /><br />Inquiring minds want to know...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26745414114309801302013-04-23T10:22:09.353-07:002013-04-23T10:22:09.353-07:00Yes. A Biblically sane conversation should go:
A:...Yes. A Biblically sane conversation should go:<br /><br />A: So, given our sin and God's holy justice, I assume He saves nobody.<br /><br />B: Oh, no. He saves.<br /><br />A: He does? That's amazing. Like, one, or two or three?<br /><br />B: No no, countless multitudes from every nation.<br /><br />A: Get out of town.<br /><br />B: No I swear, it's true. In fact, He's already accomplished their salvation.<br /><br />A: Who?<br /><br />B: "Many."<br /><br />A: Can... can it be me?<br /><br />B: Beyond doubt, if you call on Him in repentant faith.<br /><br />A: Are you serious? I'm in!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6655045463751042702013-04-23T10:18:41.339-07:002013-04-23T10:18:41.339-07:00My question has been to Arminians: So long as it&#...My question has been to Arminians: So long as it's man's choice to reject God, that's ok. But when God only saves some, and not everyone, it suddenly becomes evil? That thinking has been behind the justification of many I've talked to regarding this issue.Webster Hunt (Parts Man)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04631846083790242392noreply@blogger.com