tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2832720684949027409..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Playing nice with hereticsPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49649499058879231672011-10-03T13:04:19.135-07:002011-10-03T13:04:19.135-07:00Then there was Saint Nicholas who reportedly clobb...Then there was Saint Nicholas who reportedly clobbered Arius for his heresy.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2659538091480299152011-10-03T11:59:41.078-07:002011-10-03T11:59:41.078-07:00Frank:
Thanks, that makes a lot more sense to me....Frank:<br /><br />Thanks, that makes a lot more sense to me.Adam Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711190417225281777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53849463823080419302011-10-03T09:30:29.050-07:002011-10-03T09:30:29.050-07:00Chuck,
Perfectly understandable confusion - who w...Chuck,<br /><br />Perfectly understandable confusion - who would have guessed there were two guys in wide-reaching ministries with the same name?<br /><br />At the bottom of your comments (and only yours) you should see a little trash can. Click it, and it will give you the option to delete your post.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2678445131345250902011-10-03T09:17:28.143-07:002011-10-03T09:17:28.143-07:00For all who have read my two posts I apolagize, I ...For all who have read my two posts I apolagize, I was in error.I was wrong about Harvest Church James McDonald,I had him confused with another James McDonald.I would delete the post but I don't know to do it. If someone would send me the directions I would be more than willing to delete them. ibczubu@hotmail.comchuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03916852839928455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11605860902310533472011-10-03T09:07:01.742-07:002011-10-03T09:07:01.742-07:00I'm guessing these are the sort of views that ...I'm guessing these are the sort of views that Macdonald considers "closer to Scripture than the monasticism currently touring reformed world.""<br /><br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aEn8cAZ9K0chris stileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220270505988683271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77248882431129852062011-10-03T07:04:55.012-07:002011-10-03T07:04:55.012-07:00I think it would be worthwhile to read Thabiti Any...I think it would be worthwhile to read Thabiti Anyabwile's blog regarding this issue. Helps provide further perspective on why this is such an important issue: http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/thabitianyabwile/2011/10/01/collateral-damage-in-the-invitation-of-t-d-jakes-to-the-elephant-room/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7109942169989732712011-10-03T06:40:56.074-07:002011-10-03T06:40:56.074-07:00I am a little surprised Macdonald was persuaded by...I am a little surprised Macdonald was persuaded by Furtick to even consider Jakes seeing as Macdonald holds to the complementarian position....Jakes has a woman as one of his associates!<br />http://thepottershouse.org/Local/About-Us/Pastoral-Staff.aspx<br /><br />I am truly looking forward to the Dever legdrop from the top rope. (forgive the redneck wwf expression)MRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141301621496810129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43403487483250883022011-10-03T06:36:31.184-07:002011-10-03T06:36:31.184-07:00And, may I add that Carl Trueman has his finger pr...And, may I add that <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2011/10/the-confidence-men.php" rel="nofollow">Carl Trueman</a> has his finger precisely on the pulse of this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64041095084377388472011-10-03T06:33:57.049-07:002011-10-03T06:33:57.049-07:00Trotter at Ref 21 picked up on that, Chris E.
htt...Trotter at Ref 21 picked up on that, Chris E.<br /><br />http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2011/10/totally-predictable.phpRich Barcelloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737056106185097562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58815056651936132922011-10-03T06:33:43.720-07:002011-10-03T06:33:43.720-07:00Chris:
I picked up on it, Chris. Apparently Mr. M...Chris:<br /><br />I picked up on it, Chris. Apparently Mr. MacDonald is unaware of Mr. Jakes activities in the area of bilking?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71741102978106139062011-10-03T06:26:39.622-07:002011-10-03T06:26:39.622-07:00I'm surprised that more people haven't pic...I'm surprised that more people haven't picked up on this comment from James Macdonald's blog post defending his decision to invite TD Jakes:<br /><br />"I am also excited to hear him state his views on money, which may be closer to Scripture than the monasticism currently touring reformed world."<br /><br />From:<br /><br />http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9055chris stileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220270505988683271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19580915971569647252011-10-02T18:16:23.420-07:002011-10-02T18:16:23.420-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2469864197260384222011-10-02T17:10:47.929-07:002011-10-02T17:10:47.929-07:00Also, in other news, I would be happy to be either...Also, in other news, I would be happy to be either Tom Servo or Crow; however, Servo could sing. So, there's that.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17151807299488789822011-10-02T17:10:00.536-07:002011-10-02T17:10:00.536-07:00For my part, I would like to see them invite Phil ...For my part, I would like to see them invite Phil Johnson to this event.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70551835396325317592011-10-02T16:57:15.403-07:002011-10-02T16:57:15.403-07:00Chuck:
According to the Harvest Bible Chapel webs...Chuck:<br /><br />According to the Harvest Bible Chapel website, James MacDonald's wife's name is Kathy, not Stacey or Sandy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48651221447441700242011-10-02T16:06:51.871-07:002011-10-02T16:06:51.871-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03916852839928455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28791900416174085662011-10-02T08:20:19.266-07:002011-10-02T08:20:19.266-07:00I do not follow James MacDonald, however, while on...I do not follow James MacDonald, however, while on a trip I heard him preach a very good message about repentance. What happened?<br /><br />Donsands - thanks for the heads-up on PC&D - I noticed that this info has been on the web for years! I've contacted the folks at my local radio station. PC&D are members of the same cult that family members of mine have sold their souls to. It seems to me that we are giving them and their cult a false sense of security and audience for their message.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714162584787118419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14855947440870401872011-10-02T02:02:36.549-07:002011-10-02T02:02:36.549-07:00(Echoing what Todd Friel of Wretched said) They ne...(Echoing what Todd Friel of Wretched said) They need to confront T.D. Jakes from the outset about his view on the Trinity, the perverted Word of Faith false gospel, and the fallacies of Oneness Pentecostalism (which are many), and according to CARM are as follows. Oneness Pentecostalism teaches: <br />1.Denies the doctrine of the Trinity. <br />2.Denies justification by faith alone by stating that baptism is also required for salvation. <br />3.Jesus is God the Father. <br />4.Jesus is the Holy Spirit. <br />5.The name of God is "Jesus." <br />6.Baptism is necessary for salvation. <br />7.Denies pre-existence of the Word as the Son. Teaches that the He existed as the Father. <br />8.Being born again means repentance, baptism, and speaking in tongues. <br />9.Baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid. <br />10.Baptism must be administered with the phrase, "In the name of Jesus" instead of the phrase, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," (Matt. 28:19). <br />11.Speaking in tongues is a necessary requirement to demonstrate that a person has been baptized in the Holy Spirit, and is, therefore, saved. It is claimed to be the initial sign of the infilling of the Holy Ghost. <br />12.Restitution of all things, though the devil and the angels will not be restored. <br />13.Women may be pastors.3 <br />14.Only Oneness people will go to heaven.<br />(source: http://carm.org/religious-movements/oneness-pentecostal/what-does-oneness-pentecostal-teach)<br />(Also see: http://www.carm.org/td-jakes)<br />If when confronted on these issues, "the Bishop" refuses to renounce modalism, the word of faith heresy, and oneness pentecostalism, then James MacDonald and Mark Driscoll need to say to T.D. Jakes "You sir are an unrepentant heretic and we have to dismiss you now. Sorry we troubled you in coming here, but you need to leave now."<br />I seriously doubt this is going to happen however. Like one commenter said, Jakes has had many years to renounce his ways and has not. Now all of a sudden at the behest of MacDonald and Driscoll, he is going to recant? I think not. Unfortunately, I think this will only cause more confusion within the body of Christ and not to mention, give credibility to a false teacher. In my opinion, this is an overall act of futility.ONE WAY JESUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742202877862726359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45728581051086106022011-10-01T22:58:21.084-07:002011-10-01T22:58:21.084-07:00Chuck, are you talking about Gordon MacDonald? I ...Chuck, are you talking about Gordon MacDonald? I am not aware of this being the case with James, in fact I am almost sure it's not.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272725717165545253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83993807850255150032011-10-01T22:04:44.952-07:002011-10-01T22:04:44.952-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03916852839928455822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30920688471623745672011-10-01T18:52:34.954-07:002011-10-01T18:52:34.954-07:00Adam:
Yes.
Compare it with Apostasy and Blasphem...Adam:<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />Compare it with Apostasy and Blasphemy. These are not all the same thing.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53227494322321522852011-10-01T17:45:51.779-07:002011-10-01T17:45:51.779-07:00I guess my question would be: where do you draw th...I guess my question would be: where do you draw the line on heresy? Obviously things like the Trinity are no-brainers, but when does it become actual heresy like prosperity gospel? Would Arminianism be heresy? Amillennialism? Infant Baptism? Continuationism? (There are too many -isms here.)Adam Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711190417225281777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91102356656230077592011-10-01T14:37:49.891-07:002011-10-01T14:37:49.891-07:00I will be pleased to be Crow.I will be pleased to be Crow.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88913892190129123142011-10-01T14:02:25.006-07:002011-10-01T14:02:25.006-07:00"I said I didn't know Elephant Man came o..."I said I didn't know Elephant Man came out with a sequel."<br /><br />What a fine film that was, and is:<br /><br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_XznzJH2EYdonsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13680441037717369482011-10-01T13:49:39.383-07:002011-10-01T13:49:39.383-07:00Excellent post Phil! Thanks.Excellent post Phil! Thanks.Michael Lawmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03919034430085510082noreply@blogger.com