tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2982830094162893119..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Highway to HellPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35486507011011799602012-10-08T20:50:20.151-07:002012-10-08T20:50:20.151-07:00Hey Perry Noble and other loonies, here's how ...Hey Perry Noble and other loonies, here's how how to really make people angry. (or, "p-s" people off)<br /><br />Instead of Playing the "Highway to Hell", start Preaching the One Way to Heaven!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13272389125969149222012-04-12T13:22:52.448-07:002012-04-12T13:22:52.448-07:00What does the group feel about Dr. Robert M Price&...What does the group feel about Dr. Robert M Price's view that Christ was not a historical figure. I think it has some merit.Jorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18439902203526243938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34252362947132492622011-10-02T16:16:43.557-07:002011-10-02T16:16:43.557-07:00I had never heard of Perry Noble, however, while t...I had never heard of Perry Noble, however, while traveling a few years ago I had heard James MacDonald give a powerful message on repentance. Has something changed? Repent from what?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714162584787118419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48661582742315905592011-10-01T15:52:15.667-07:002011-10-01T15:52:15.667-07:00If you had the time to read up on it, the way Nobl...If you had the time to read up on it, the way Noble's staff crushed a local family that dared to critique his ministry would sadden you. To use your influence in a town to keep someone from adopting a child, and at the very last minute, disgusting:<br /><br />http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/perry-nobles-staff-silencing-critics-with-intimidation/mikebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947509425403456046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59795045776337066452011-09-30T07:32:22.563-07:002011-09-30T07:32:22.563-07:00"...if Perry is a brother in Christ is it bib..."...if Perry is a brother in Christ is it biblical for you to call him a scoundrel."<br /><br />Scoundrel: immoral person.<br /><br />Perry is very arrogant in all the videos I've seen him. And the worse part of it is when the people there emcourage him, and he eats it up. He likes saying he doesn't give a hoot about any body. Arrogant. Man.<br /><br />He needs to repent, if he is a Christian. He needs to get out of the pulpit for sure. He may even need to be quickened by our God and Savior.<br /><br />have a great Lord's day!donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65249533557425891722011-09-29T21:29:01.427-07:002011-09-29T21:29:01.427-07:00My bad, I meant Mathew. Want to reiterate, I am no...My bad, I meant Mathew. Want to reiterate, I am not a fan of Perry.Diggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15770757650284467719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68175455835137572712011-09-29T21:24:27.167-07:002011-09-29T21:24:27.167-07:00I do not disagree with what you say but my questio...I do not disagree with what you say but my question is, if Perry is a brother in Christ is it biblical for you to call him a scoundrel. Is that not along the lines of calling your brother a fool in John.Diggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15770757650284467719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64276297811749465442011-09-29T16:45:03.518-07:002011-09-29T16:45:03.518-07:00Tom.
My computer is now demonically possessed, an...Tom.<br /><br />My computer is now demonically possessed, and is refusing to let me post on this blog, so I have borrowed a friend's, and ask you to follow the link to my response: http://thenface2face.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/at-it-again-with-pyros-because-of-an-elephant-in-the-room/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12706502741527769502011-09-29T07:20:51.736-07:002011-09-29T07:20:51.736-07:00The motive of "pissing off the religious peop...The motive of "pissing off the religious people" just seems so arrogant to me. When Pastors try to emulate what Jesus did without the perfect authority and humility that coexisted in him, foolishness results. Noble seems to be seeking attention for himself, not Jesus. It's working.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62750347278632531192011-09-28T08:03:11.978-07:002011-09-28T08:03:11.978-07:00I didn't mean to imply that you were making th...I didn't mean to imply that you were making this an issue. Sorry if you took it that way. :)<br /><br />This is just something that I have often wondered about. That is why I would like someone to write an article about it, to help bring some clarity to it. I certainly don't have the answer, and I am hoping someone much wiser, would.Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76975352097790877132011-09-28T07:48:50.436-07:002011-09-28T07:48:50.436-07:00Listen, Mary Elizabeth, I'm not making a guilt...Listen, Mary Elizabeth, I'm not making a guilt by association argument here. I don't hold it against Dever that he's there; provided he speaks the truth. I just want to know whether Pastor MacDonald agrees with his son that Nicene orthodoxy is an issue of little importance. You see, words matter more even than our associations, and if that is what both MacDonalds think, then it is less surprising that the elder MacDonald would give cover to Perry Noble when he decides to go to war against the church.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6008077790105208082011-09-28T07:42:15.061-07:002011-09-28T07:42:15.061-07:00Thanks, Tom. I'm wondering just how far we ca...Thanks, Tom. I'm wondering just how far we can take this guilt by association? <br /><br />"If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds (2 Jo 1:10-11)." <br /><br />I wish someone would do an article on this!!!Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31606484961072513192011-09-28T07:13:07.613-07:002011-09-28T07:13:07.613-07:00As of right now, the Elephant Room discussion cons...As of right now, the Elephant Room discussion consists of James "Not-an-Important-Issue" Macdonald, Mark "It's-OK-for-Me-to-Be-Here-Jesus-Told-Me" Driscoll, Mark "How-Did-I-Get-into-<i>This</i>?" Dever, T.D. "Modalism-Is-So-Hip" Jakes, Jack "I'm-So-Wise-I-Made-Ergun-Caner-Famous" Graham, and of course, Steven "Just-Hatin-on-the-Haters" Furtick. Dever's gonna have his hands full.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80144030383562920812011-09-28T06:37:13.969-07:002011-09-28T06:37:13.969-07:00Mark Dever is getting involved with this Elephant ...Mark Dever is getting involved with this Elephant Room 2 enterprise with the likes of TD Jakes??? <br /><br />I'm speechless!Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48987998972190480242011-09-28T06:14:17.410-07:002011-09-28T06:14:17.410-07:00I suppose this might be a whole other post from Te...I suppose this might be a whole other post from TeamPyro Tom. Don't want to take this too far, but, with people like Matt Chandler, and Mark Dever, and some others, I have to think the "biblical Gospel" will be proclaimed and unperverted, in love and humility with bolldness. I hope so any way. <br />I have to admit there are times when I don't speak as boldly as I should. I pray that we would be bold, and full of grace and the Holy Spirit to not compromise the truth, and yet not be self-righteous either. Amen.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20466055241890149542011-09-28T05:08:20.304-07:002011-09-28T05:08:20.304-07:00Don Sands, I really wish so, but read the promotio...Don Sands, I really wish so, but read the <a href="http://www.theelephantroom.com/" rel="nofollow">promotional material</a>: <br /><br />"The Elephant Room is more than an event. It is the outgrowth of an idea. The idea that the best way forward for the followers of Jesus lies not in crouching behind walls of disagreement over issues of little importance, but in partnership with everyone who agrees about the biblical Gospel. However, a rally to unite where there is so much division is not for those who prefer the kiddie pool. A true unity cannot be fashioned in pretense or denial of truth. Men must do what men have always done, we must push and prod and challenge and sharpen each other’s beliefs and methods. No one has a corner on the truth. We must all be learners.<br /><br />What if we created a new ‘tribe?’ A tribe based on being humble enough to listen and reconsider what the Scriptures actually assert. A tribe that holds the essential tenets of the faith with a ferocious intensity and is open handed with everything else. Maybe, together, we can create a new center?"<br /><br />So, traditionally heretical formulations of the triune nature of God are not "essential tenets of the faith"? Suddenly Nicene Christianity falls under the heading of "everything else"? What exactly is the "new center" they hope to "create"?Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20449804614143194322011-09-28T04:52:51.504-07:002011-09-28T04:52:51.504-07:00Hey Tom, the Elephant Room looks like a good thing...Hey Tom, the Elephant Room looks like a good thing, right? I haven't time to watch right now, but it looks like a way to expose the false doctrines, and false pastors in the Body of Christ.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63126458738867362722011-09-28T00:57:34.188-07:002011-09-28T00:57:34.188-07:00Incidentally, since I know how the above comment w...Incidentally, since I know how the above comment will be read by some, let me make clear that I do not hold to the "doctrine" of secondary separation. Read the links. I'm citing specific statements about specific men in specific particulars - one a heretic by any classic definition and the other a blight on the church and - to use Phil's apt words - someone who doesn't yet meet the minimal biblical requirement for eldership. Don't you agree that MacDonald's arrogant, spiteful dismissal of all who would reject such men <i>does indeed</i> suggest that once a "preacher" is in the mega-club, he couldn't care less about anything else that "preacher" does or says? And doesn't that suggest that the only thing that matters about fruit in his mind is its numbers?Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57027301513862075942011-09-28T00:52:31.637-07:002011-09-28T00:52:31.637-07:00Well, thenface2face, why bother to go outside this...Well, thenface2face, why bother to go outside this comment thread?<br /><br /><b>1.</b> Perry Noble's hatred for the church, particularly his abhorrence of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFf8-L3tZ0Y" rel="nofollow">his own people</a>, is well documented. But when he announces that he plans worship services around anthems to the devil specifically in order to anger them, James MacDonald <a href="http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=8944" rel="nofollow">says</a>, "I LOVE PERRY NOBLE. He is a long-suffering servant of Christ."<br /><br /><b>2.</b> So what if TD Jakes hides behind the classic language used by modalist heretics for ages? So what if he denies the fundamental doctrine of Trinity? Macdonald's associate pastor (and eldest son) <a href="http://www.theelephantroom.com/" rel="nofollow">rebukes the doubters</a>: "The idea that the best way forward for the followers of Jesus lies not in crouching behind walls of disagreement over issues of little importance, but in partnership with everyone who agrees about the biblical Gospel." Those of us who don't agree can go back to the "kiddie pool." What does Luke's daddy <a href="http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9030" rel="nofollow">think of that</a>? "Hey, if you’re fired up about the next Elephant Room (I know I am!), this is only going to stoke you even more."<br /><br />You may well think that his ministry is going in a good direction, but you really ought to take him at <a href="http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9055#more-9055" rel="nofollow">his word</a> that he hasn't changed: "If a brother believes the Bible and preaches the gospel, I delight in that relationship as far as agreement can allow it to go and benefit greatly while trying also to influence." <br /><br />So do I stand by my statement that he doesn't care about the quality of fruit produced by his ministry? You bet I do!Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10638562996520137522011-09-27T19:37:27.570-07:002011-09-27T19:37:27.570-07:00Not a helpful answer.
Show the words/actions -- ...Not a helpful answer. <br /><br />Show the words/actions -- the facts!--clearly, or it is slander to continue to assert such a charge about a brother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52238251709602420492011-09-27T18:49:33.223-07:002011-09-27T18:49:33.223-07:00Trueman on Jakes and MacDonald and Nicene Christia...Trueman on Jakes and MacDonald and Nicene Christianity here: <br /><br />http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2011/09/is-nicene-christianity-that-im.phpRich Barcelloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737056106185097562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26394147358831214362011-09-27T18:35:03.139-07:002011-09-27T18:35:03.139-07:00Noble's ministry has a long record, and his ha...Noble's ministry has a long record, and his hatred for the church speaks for itself.<br /><br />As for MacDonald, I know his ministry, and I know its fruits, and I am not fooled.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36273627876365540222011-09-27T17:06:20.627-07:002011-09-27T17:06:20.627-07:00Thank you Mr. Johnson for some God honoring commen...Thank you Mr. Johnson for some God honoring commentary, and not just throwing an "open letter" at us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37503431070654365582011-09-27T16:28:21.871-07:002011-09-27T16:28:21.871-07:00"It is a rare megachurch pastor who is concer..."It is a rare megachurch pastor who is concerned about what kind of fruit is produced in their ministry. There are of course a few very noteworthy exceptions to this. But the Nobles and MacDonalds of this world are clearly unconcerned."<br /><br />How did you make this determination, Tom? You don't make this clear. So it sounds a little like the kind of rhetoric that James MacDonald is decrying here, coming from those who<br /><br />"write off preachers for anything they find offensive or discordant with their own sense of right and wrong. I have heard these folks referred to as discernmentalists. Probably a play on fundamentalists who became famous for rhetoric without rationale. When I see how they distort what I have written, disdain my record of ministry and deny my commitment to the Scriptures, I am reminded of the kind of mindless fear mongering I left behind. Thoughtful questioning, even criticism or sincere disagreement is welcomed. But harsh denunciation is what puts people in the camp of being religionists, unholy, unloving and possibly unsaved."<br /><br /> I am concerned for the direction of MacDonald's ministry -- his ministry has borne great fruit in the life of our family. But I pray for him, and believe the best about him. And I want to do the same for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-487219778345531982011-09-27T16:03:32.397-07:002011-09-27T16:03:32.397-07:00I love it when Perry says that Jesus told parables...I love it when Perry says that Jesus told parables and that's the same thing as a modern rock song. Really... Wow. I believe him when he claims to be dumb. Not that I'm against rock music. Just using AC/DC in church.The Damerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08393936800227282813noreply@blogger.com