tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3458102363984517754..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: "Adam's headship isn't fair" dodge (NEXT! #17)Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54109249056435176832009-07-28T12:42:39.981-07:002009-07-28T12:42:39.981-07:00Really? Whatever.
Saint Dan has always (since his...Really? Whatever.<br /><br />Saint Dan has always (since his conversion) liked Saint Paul:<br /><br />"I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myth" (2 Timothy 4:1-4)DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42166447204041389222009-07-28T12:40:36.533-07:002009-07-28T12:40:36.533-07:00I've always like St. Siluan: Precisely in sayi...I've always like St. Siluan: Precisely in saying that you make his sin your own.Colin Clouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11836100534647181995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19022022730099750102009-07-25T21:30:21.947-07:002009-07-25T21:30:21.947-07:00So... you wanna be judged on your own deeds, not t...So... you wanna be judged on your own deeds, not those of Adam?<br /><br />OK...<br /><br />So far as we know, Adam committed one sin, in the Garden of Eden. And a really pretty benign and simple sin, at that. He disbelieved God. That's pretty much it. ONE SIN, and "party's over - everyone... out of the pool. Now!"<br /><br />We don't have much other than that recorded. One little "Oh, God wouldn't mind..." and "buh-bye!"<br /><br />So... YOU think you're better? If we examined YOUR life, I think we'd turn up a whole lot worse than one incident of disbelief.<br /><br />If you were to stand judgment on only that which YOU have done, you would fare much, much worse than Adam did. You are WAY further off the mark than he was.Kirby L. Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825673333919420557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44617156557987018012009-07-22T12:29:02.563-07:002009-07-22T12:29:02.563-07:00Normally I pass these over because as puzzles they...Normally I pass these over because as puzzles they are easy, but this one was really fun Dan. <br /><br />And I got the bonus of seeing trogdor burninating on a pyromaniac site. Oh the irony!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11630461838295942309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41836091922094935732009-07-22T07:22:50.200-07:002009-07-22T07:22:50.200-07:00Real reading issues today, Johnny.
Yeah, there ar...Real reading issues today, Johnny.<br /><br />Yeah, there are LOTS of false doctrines, dodges, heresies and just plain nutty ideas this post ISN'T about.<br /><br />There have been sixteen before this one. The concept isn't really all that difficult.<br /><br />I identify a way that some Scriptural truth is dodged. I do my best provide a deft, focused response TO THAT DODGE.<br /><br />You've found another way around Scripture. Whatever. Your blog readers can luxuriate in it all they want. This isn't that.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69140719949169221432009-07-22T07:12:39.829-07:002009-07-22T07:12:39.829-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28746087237093354112009-07-22T07:03:07.282-07:002009-07-22T07:03:07.282-07:00Still off-topic. The challenge is premised on reco...Still off-topic. The challenge is premised on recognizing what Scripture (such as Romans 5:12-21) teaches, but objecting to it . Evidently you simply reject what Scripture teaches.<br /><br />That's a conversation for another day.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42941010210664590112009-07-22T06:54:13.009-07:002009-07-22T06:54:13.009-07:00OK, I'll put it in my own words and hope I mak...OK, I'll put it in my own words and hope I make the cut!<br /><br />We are not judged through Adam, but for our own sins done in the body. Christ expiated the sin of Adam.<br /><br />Next.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54026299984284546142009-07-22T06:00:48.967-07:002009-07-22T06:00:48.967-07:00Did I stutter?
(Reads)
Nope.Did I stutter?<br /><br />(Reads)<br /><br />Nope.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16319599457419235302009-07-22T05:59:47.368-07:002009-07-22T05:59:47.368-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73598892622115286142009-07-22T05:33:17.751-07:002009-07-22T05:33:17.751-07:00Enough on that.
Back on topic, please.Enough on that.<br /><br />Back on topic, please.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48723512269859998862009-07-22T05:27:26.916-07:002009-07-22T05:27:26.916-07:00MacArthur teaches that infants who die go to heave...MacArthur teaches that infants who die go to heaven, and also an "age of accountability." He writes: <br /><br />"But, I also believe, that up until that point of real saving faith, God in His mercy, would save that child, should that child die. I have been doing some study on that very issue, because when I was at a conference recently, and that question was asked of a panel of very astute theologians — no one gave an adequate answer. And I thought, “How can we have theologians who don’t know the answer to that question? What about the children before the age of accountability, when they die, do they go to heaven?” I think the answer is “yes,” and I think it is a strong “YES,” based upon the confidence of David who said, when his little baby died: “He cannot come to me, but I shall go to him.” And David knew where he was going; David knew he was going to heaven — he knew that. There wasn’t any question in his mind about that." <br /><br />Mohler teaches that infants are actually innocent, through Christ. "The accomplished work of Christ has removed the stain of original sin from those who die in infancy. Knowing neither good nor evil, these young children are incapable of committing sins in the body – are not yet moral agents – and die secure in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ."James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26795345537267798672009-07-22T03:59:57.397-07:002009-07-22T03:59:57.397-07:00"So does this mean babies are under Adam'..."So does this mean babies are under Adam's sin as well?"<br /><br />It depends on what you mean by "under" and who you ask...<br /><br />If you mean, "are babies sinful at heart because they are children of Adam?" Then yes.<br /><br />If you mean, "are babies under the wrath of God because of Adam's sin?" Then depends on who you ask. Scripture never, to my knowledge, shows anyone who is sinful and IS NOT under the wrath of God. But few want to come out and declare that dead babies are condemned to hell. It's not exactly a popular position.<br /><br />Piper at one point said that he does not believe babies/small children are under the wrath of God because in Romans 1 God condemns those who clearly see and understand his divine attributes through creation. An infant in the womb or small child would not, he argues, see or understand fully and therefore not be under the wrath of God.<br /><br />I don't know if I agree with Piper, but it's certainly more scriptural than most who hold the "babies are saved" position. I would be interested in hearing other scriptural support, but of course don't want the thread hijacked...Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05789615082333952443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4755213474151941752009-07-21T22:48:54.195-07:002009-07-21T22:48:54.195-07:00Heh, that'll teach me to not gloss over the li...Heh, that'll teach me to not gloss over the links next time :P.Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41349829473182597892009-07-21T22:43:12.516-07:002009-07-21T22:43:12.516-07:00So does this mean babies are under Adam's sin ...So does this mean babies are under Adam's sin as well?bossmanhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14787721955360743058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36959634200760215122009-07-21T20:51:01.055-07:002009-07-21T20:51:01.055-07:00Well my goodness. I dashed off that last comment t...Well my goodness. I dashed off that last comment to Chad quickly because I was getting my girls ready for another daycation trip (car soundtrack provided by Shai Linne's "Atonement", thankyouverymuch), and haven't had a chance to read the comments until now. Glad to see my little offering helped push Dan's comment count over fifty, <i>yet again</i>.<br /><br />For the record, I am 100 thankful for being counted sinful in Adam; that's where the qualifications start for being counted righteous in Christ.<br /><br />And also for the record, I am completely okay with my name being misspelled. Happens all the time. Frank used to do it a lot. :) <br /><br />Now if you mis<i>pronounce</i> it, then we're going to have words.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4081392265431090742009-07-21T17:05:26.908-07:002009-07-21T17:05:26.908-07:00aawwww.... I feel so warm and fuzzy...
:-)aawwww.... I feel so warm and fuzzy...<br /> :-)Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8815448681457095812009-07-21T16:22:07.542-07:002009-07-21T16:22:07.542-07:00But we still love you.
(c:But we still love you.<br /><br />(c:DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90685847331343363602009-07-21T16:17:52.142-07:002009-07-21T16:17:52.142-07:00Hoo-Boy........Hoo-Boy........Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85568411936541135102009-07-21T12:42:18.323-07:002009-07-21T12:42:18.323-07:00Thanks, CR, but actually in this case I just meant...Thanks, CR, but actually in this case I just meant Hey! It's <i>Rachael!</i><br /><br />(Though you're right, also. Tsk. Two counts of Chad-fail.)DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11128582618246778652009-07-21T12:32:45.818-07:002009-07-21T12:32:45.818-07:00Chad,
Where Dan was going with the "It's...Chad,<br /><br />Where Dan was going with the "It's Rachael" was to let you know you initially spelled her name wrong.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81718233260139274492009-07-21T12:28:20.446-07:002009-07-21T12:28:20.446-07:00Mmm hmmm.
(c:Mmm hmmm.<br /><br />(c:DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29463359256471226852009-07-21T12:24:49.040-07:002009-07-21T12:24:49.040-07:00I guess it pays, huh, to read all the links includ...I guess it pays, huh, to read all the links including your "Fail" link which has the passages where you were going with this.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6662516384262728082009-07-21T12:20:36.906-07:002009-07-21T12:20:36.906-07:00DJP, OH, I see it now. Yes, you're absolutely...DJP, OH, I see it now. Yes, you're absolutely right. The challenge itself is an automatic fail according to the conditions of the challenge.Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81791803468694374292009-07-21T12:00:52.974-07:002009-07-21T12:00:52.974-07:00See? "Subtle."
Thanks for caring so at...See? "Subtle."<br /><br />Thanks for caring so attentively, and enjoy your day.<br /><br />(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com