tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3596926995856568528..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: You should apologizePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83937060923454138632007-04-17T11:30:00.000-07:002007-04-17T11:30:00.000-07:00danny2: "I love you, honey, it's your body I hate....<EM>danny2: "I love you, honey, it's your body I hate." Doesn't work for me, doesn't work for Jesus.(John 13:35)</EM><BR/><BR/>Ok...I'm a little late to read this, but, April, that's really funny...and well stated.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301648487774699607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2432744539141080442007-04-12T08:39:00.000-07:002007-04-12T08:39:00.000-07:00danny2: "I love you, honey, it's your body I hate...danny2: "I love you, honey, it's your body I hate." Doesn't work for me, doesn't work for Jesus.(John 13:35)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84516480162847912772007-04-11T21:29:00.000-07:002007-04-11T21:29:00.000-07:00excellent postexcellent postjoeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00407734824168297388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64987638228895133662007-04-11T21:20:00.000-07:002007-04-11T21:20:00.000-07:00are you suggesting people can't love Jesus but hat...are you suggesting people can't love Jesus but hate the church? ;-)danny2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13010556674654842010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89320773311538916802007-04-11T18:04:00.000-07:002007-04-11T18:04:00.000-07:00[Schmeradactyls schmeraling][Schmeradactyls schmeraling]Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00156736279906719942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66641325203812745352007-04-11T16:09:00.000-07:002007-04-11T16:09:00.000-07:00I can't remember ever reading a book that upset me...I can't remember ever reading a book that upset me more than Barna's "Revolution." I really hope people read that book with discernment and didn't just follow after it because of the author's notoriety. <BR/><BR/>I would refer to it the same way Luther referred to Erasmus' work.Pastor Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064672747243307518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73220406548168940932007-04-11T15:11:00.000-07:002007-04-11T15:11:00.000-07:00Oh well, so much for my original thoughts!Great po...Oh well, so much for my original thoughts!<BR/><BR/>Great post you linked to, by the way.Brian @ voiceofthesheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03501908381467690374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26839397329453819012007-04-11T14:51:00.000-07:002007-04-11T14:51:00.000-07:00Brian:I think I have heard somebody say exactly th...Brian:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://centuri0n.blogspot.com/2005/09/george-barna-meet-jim-rutz-1-of-2.html" REL="nofollow">I think I have heard somebody say exactly that someplace before</A> ...FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84705073070782338682007-04-11T14:22:00.000-07:002007-04-11T14:22:00.000-07:00Amen to the post, Cent!Perhaps we have those such ...Amen to the post, Cent!<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we have those such as Barna to thank for the growing number of people professing to be disciples of Christ but who also think they can go it alone, forsaking the assembling together with the visible body of Christ...buying into the self-serving assumption that the church is no longer relevant.<BR/><BR/>Without sounding too harsh, I don't see how a true believer can even survive outside the visible body of Christ (let alone actually WANTING to be a loner)...though I know it is possible in extreme circumstances (I know there are probably situations where true believers are not able to be a part of a visible body).<BR/><BR/>My guess would be that, though they may not be able to be joined with others, their desire and longing is to be with other saints. Those who claim to be a Christian but have no desire to be with other Christians...well...that sounds like an impossible hypothetical to me.Brian @ voiceofthesheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03501908381467690374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41780258839188455582007-04-11T14:15:00.000-07:002007-04-11T14:15:00.000-07:00Silence will be taken as non-interest...So, when p...<I>Silence will be taken as non-interest...</I><BR/><BR/>So, when people <B>break</B> the silence to tell you they're <B>not</B> interested... does that mean they <B>are</B> interested?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77155807702122263032007-04-11T14:11:00.000-07:002007-04-11T14:11:00.000-07:00"Sounds of Silence" - Simon and Garfunkel"Sounds of Silence" - Simon and Garfunkelfarmboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445789397476595536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68650739834755495852007-04-11T13:28:00.000-07:002007-04-11T13:28:00.000-07:00[crickets churping][crickets churping]John W. Lostushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487692954588047858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67142566653139963112007-04-11T12:55:00.000-07:002007-04-11T12:55:00.000-07:00["silence..."]["silence..."]Andrew Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543222209236040112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62041763211873488512007-04-11T12:33:00.000-07:002007-04-11T12:33:00.000-07:00Meta poll:Is it worth chasing down Rod's points he...Meta poll:<BR/><BR/>Is it worth chasing down Rod's points here, or should I let him have the last word?<BR/><BR/>Silence will be taken as non-interest and I will simply let the man alone.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9518142649716871012007-04-11T11:17:00.000-07:002007-04-11T11:17:00.000-07:00However, you can serve that up in a wine glass, or...<EM>However, you can serve that up in a wine glass, or you can serve it up in a smelly set of gym socks. If you do the latter, you're not a very interested apologist. You think that people will accept a message that is being treated like it is worthless as useful, and that's ridiculous.</EM><BR/><BR/>If you do the former, can you still call yourself a Southern Baptist? ;)<BR/><BR/>I figured this was the beginning of a series, Frank...it has all the makin's.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301648487774699607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84732044815359821502007-04-11T11:15:00.000-07:002007-04-11T11:15:00.000-07:00Frank,The content of the Gospel is foolishness to ...Frank,<BR/><BR/>The content of the Gospel is foolishness to those who are wise in their own eyes, those who have rejected the truth about God (Romans 1:21).<BR/><BR/>Paul says that the <B>content</B> of his message was "Jesus Christ and him crucified." His apologetic was "a demonstration of the Spirit's power."<BR/><BR/>Paul's "non-method" was a method. It was a strategy (1 Corinthians 2:5). In the same way, Socrates' "non-method" was a well-planned method. In both cases they seem to be battling the Sophists who used persuasive speech to convince people of whatever position they wanted.<BR/><BR/>There can be no such thing as method-free proclamation of the Gospel. There can be no such thing as strategy-free evangelism. A "non-method" is a method. A "non-strategy" is a strategy.<BR/><BR/>RodPastor Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219078094185232711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90171773763016182692007-04-11T10:53:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:53:00.000-07:00I don't want to agree with Kent publicly, but ...I don't want to agree with Kent publicly, but ...FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68294802865977700182007-04-11T10:52:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:52:00.000-07:00Rod:1Pet 3 is fine. The question is this: what ha...Rod:<BR/><BR/>1Pet 3 is fine. The question is this: what has God used to makes fools of wise men? Is it a method or an argument -- or is it something else?<BR/><BR/>Paul's apologetic to the Corinthians (he says) was Jesus Christ, and him crucified.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48048726894509877962007-04-11T10:34:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:34:00.000-07:00Frank,I knew we'd find something to disagree about...Frank,<BR/><BR/>I knew we'd find something to disagree about eventually.<BR/><BR/>I think we have a "semantic" disconnect here. In my view, "Jesus Christ and him crucified and resurrected" is the <B>content</B> of the Gospel. An apologetic is a defense of or an argument for the truth claims of the Gospel.<BR/><BR/>Surely this is what 1 Peter 3:15 is talking about.<BR/><BR/>RodPastor Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219078094185232711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81176560007380835262007-04-11T10:27:00.001-07:002007-04-11T10:27:00.001-07:00Dr. Moorehead:That's because your standards are so...Dr. Moorehead:<BR/><BR/>That's because your standards are so high. Maybe if I translated them into Russian I could get higher marks.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84704288367160744872007-04-11T10:27:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:27:00.000-07:00All the justified in the NT were church members. ...All the justified in the NT were church members. 1 John 2:19 says that they went out from us because they were not of us. They went out of local churches practically because they were not justified positionally. People not in churches are generally categorized as unsaved. Someone loosed was to be treated as a publican and sinner (Mt. 18:15-17, 16:18,19). <BR/><BR/>So why is it that people are fine with not being in churches? They're in the "true church," the invisible one. This two church doctrine, I believe, is the culprit. I'm an optimist, Frank, but I don't think the non-church member thing will be solved as long as people see themselves as members of the Big One, the Invisible One, and, therefore, some kind of free-floating free agent. Interestingly enough, some of these same armchair apologists have an invisible conversion experience because they are one of the elect.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76123250185562170962007-04-11T10:23:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:23:00.000-07:00"Attitude is not the most powerful apologetic. Jes..."Attitude is not the most powerful apologetic. Jesus Christ, crucified and resurercted, is the most powerful apologetic. In fact, it is the only apologetic."<BR/><BR/>I had to Amen that. The Truth is the truth, and the truth is the Truth.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71265448593362088952007-04-11T10:19:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:19:00.000-07:00Frank, your last two paragraphs were golden. The r...Frank, your last two paragraphs were golden. The rest was just ok.Jonathan Moorheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03687367307942260277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42887658751880179782007-04-11T10:13:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:13:00.000-07:00Kevin: this is post #1 in a series of unplanned le...Kevin: <BR/><BR/>this is post #1 in a series of unplanned length. Stick with me.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5126601917869404062007-04-11T10:12:00.000-07:002007-04-11T10:12:00.000-07:00Rod:Attitude is not the most powerful apologetic. ...Rod:<BR/><BR/>Attitude is not the most powerful apologetic. Jesus Christ, crucified and resurercted, is the most powerful apologetic. In fact, it is the only apologetic.<BR/><BR/>However, you can serve that up in a wine glass, or you can serve it up in a smelly set of gym socks. If you do the latter, you're not a very interested apologist. You think that people will accept a message that is being treated like it is worthless as useful, and that's ridiculous.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.com