tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3989591904446791235..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: George Carlin, and usPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91481286886253884992008-06-26T06:43:00.000-07:002008-06-26T06:43:00.000-07:00To anyone objecting to my word about Mark Driscoll...To anyone objecting to my word about Mark Driscoll:<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised at your objections. Am I wrong in assuming that all of you (except, obviously, the first) actually read what I said? It was very mild, and measured. I am <I>certain</I> that at least as many people thought I was <I>far too easy</I> on him.<BR/><BR/>Are you going around the internet, Googling my name, and asking everyone who criticizes my writings whether they've talked to me personally first? Goodness, I hope not. I'm a public person; my writings are public. So's Driscoll.<BR/><BR/>So what is your argument? Is he <I>not</I> a good illustration of a Christian who runs the risk of letting unwise tongue-indulgences overshadow all the good things he does? You think <I>Driscoll himself</I> wouldn't admit it, and hasn't already admitted it?<BR/><BR/>Do you think he's going through his day all happy, and someone might say, "Mark — Dan Phillips said you have made some unwise choices about how you use your mouth"? And he's going to gasp, say "Dan Phillips? Surely not Dan Phillips?" — and his whole day, maybe his whole ministry, is going to be ruined?<BR/><BR/>Or he's going to say "What? My tongue? How come no one ever talked to me personally about this?!"<BR/><BR/>Next I'll say I think Mahaney is trying to mix oil and water when he mixes continuationism and Reformed theology, and you'll tell me I have to say that to him first; or to Grudem, if I fault his nutty fantasies about prophecy; or I can't publish a book review until I send it to the author and give it 2-3 years for dialogue.<BR/><BR/>Those are nutty standards.<BR/><BR/>And if that doesn't satisfy you, oh well. Sorry. Keep your receipt for a full refund.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61839731944348399082008-06-25T15:16:00.000-07:002008-06-25T15:16:00.000-07:00I think you really outdid yourself, Solameanie--yo...I think you really outdid yourself, Solameanie--you got me doing a search for the lyrics of "Monday, Monday"! (I've heard the Ms&Ps sing it many times but never knew the words.) Maybe you really should take Polycarp's suggestion and do that YouTube version (with revised lyrics)!! It'll be such a big hit!!Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40556404036133051032008-06-25T13:38:00.000-07:002008-06-25T13:38:00.000-07:00I absolutely agree with you Daryl, and in no way s...I absolutely agree with you <B>Daryl</B>, and in no way suffer under the delusion that the world would fall in love with the church if those caricatures were removed. <BR/><BR/>I'd just like the church to be rejected for all the right reasons, ya know?!<BR/><BR/>The early church was accused of sedition and cannibalism. O, how I long for such accusations, considering what we're accused of these days (which brings me to my point about Carlin's scathing critiques).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006685610827238652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14258965330065906772008-06-25T12:57:00.000-07:002008-06-25T12:57:00.000-07:00"wildly misfired, shallow caricatures" is exactly ..."wildly misfired, shallow caricatures" is exactly how I'd describe much of what passes for Christianity in the main."<BR/><BR/>Do we have an example of what Carlin mocks, and what represents the Church this way?<BR/><BR/>Seems like a lot of this kind of talk is out of the treasure in the heart, and little evidence.<BR/><BR/>I heard someone on CNN say last night that all these anti-abortion Christians, protest, but are unwilling to help the baby if born.<BR/>That's a lie, and yet people will believe it, because he said it.<BR/><BR/>People do make things up out of their hearts. I know, because I know me. But by the grace of the Lord I can become less like me, and more like Christ.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87963693230935763002008-06-25T12:29:00.000-07:002008-06-25T12:29:00.000-07:00"But that's the point, really: "wildly misfired, s..."But that's the point, really: "wildly misfired, shallow caricatures" is exactly how I'd describe much of what passes for Christianity in the main."<BR/><BR/>That may be true, but the assumption that that was what Carlin mocked makes the opposite assumption that were those caricatures non-existent, people would like the church.<BR/><BR/>They wouldn't. The church will be mocked, the church will caricature itself. Those 2 things are not necessarily related.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I'd suggest that it's the times the church gets it completely wrong when they are NOT mocked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85157328008376468152008-06-25T12:20:00.000-07:002008-06-25T12:20:00.000-07:00Forget the Stephen Wright comments: Solameanie has...Forget the Stephen Wright comments: Solameanie has stolen the show.<BR/><BR/>"Fundie Mundie (bah da, bah da da da)..."Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19139264734148467912008-06-25T12:14:00.000-07:002008-06-25T12:14:00.000-07:00But that's the point, really: "wildly misfired, sh...But that's the point, really: "wildly misfired, shallow caricatures" is exactly how I'd describe much of what passes for Christianity in the main.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006685610827238652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91647047914032463532008-06-25T11:00:00.000-07:002008-06-25T11:00:00.000-07:00Love the Stephen Wright quotes. My favorite comedi...Love the Stephen Wright quotes. My favorite comedian by far.<BR/><BR/>Why do drive-up ATM's have braille?candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72557823673003481952008-06-25T07:45:00.000-07:002008-06-25T07:45:00.000-07:00Really? I must not have heard those; I only heard ...Really? I must not have heard those; I only heard wildly mis-fired, shallow caricatures.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60144358289595947892008-06-25T07:40:00.000-07:002008-06-25T07:40:00.000-07:00Dan, when you wrote, "Rejecting the fake, like so ...Dan, when you wrote, "Rejecting the fake, like so many he was inoculated against the real item" I couldn't help but think not of Christianity as promulgated by Rome but by Christianity as promulgated by Western mondernists, with its penchant for consumerism and infatuation with legislative answers (not least conservative) for societal ills.<BR/><BR/>A lot of the time, it seemed to me, Carlin took aim at the fake because we Christians gave him the fakeness to aim at.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006685610827238652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85197933731155039342008-06-25T06:57:00.000-07:002008-06-25T06:57:00.000-07:00Good post, Dan. For my birthday I got a humidifier...Good post, Dan. <BR/><BR/><I>For my birthday I got a humidifier and a de-humidifier... I put them in the same room and let them fight it out</I> --Steven WrightKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01044809909346778655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84395267718678699902008-06-25T05:13:00.000-07:002008-06-25T05:13:00.000-07:00An excellent assessment of Carlin's life.An excellent assessment of Carlin's life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79759577814501860792008-06-25T04:52:00.000-07:002008-06-25T04:52:00.000-07:00A rose by any other name...Quite convicting, Dan ~...A rose by any other name...<BR/><BR/>Quite convicting, Dan ~ thanks.J♥Yce Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974221921014132431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16914586968936623182008-06-24T23:00:00.000-07:002008-06-24T23:00:00.000-07:00Solameanie:Waiting for you to complete that revise...Solameanie:<BR/><BR/>Waiting for you to complete that revised tune on youtube...it's off to a great start!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29502024951721164832008-06-24T22:29:00.000-07:002008-06-24T22:29:00.000-07:00Dan:Oh, didn't mean to suggest you deleted it. I m...Dan:<BR/><BR/>Oh, didn't mean to suggest you deleted it. I meant that I deleted it for peace (if there was a hint there for me...not sure)<BR/><BR/>Historians???Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15947853264831457522008-06-24T21:49:00.000-07:002008-06-24T21:49:00.000-07:00What I remember about Carlin was that my father ha...What I remember about Carlin was that my father had an 8-track tape of one of his routines and my mother got angry with him for playing it while my sister and I were in the room. I also remember my mom telling me about swearing and why we do not talk like that (she was not a Christian until later in life) Unfortunately, it was from George Carlin that I heard some of the first swear words in my young life at that time (in the 1970's)Terry Langehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14585501399585695282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69002222086051931782008-06-24T18:12:00.000-07:002008-06-24T18:12:00.000-07:00"I never had a problem with not listening to the T..."I never had a problem with <I>not</I> listening to the Temptations. ... That's weird."<BR/><BR/>-- Not Steven Wright or early George Carlin, but something up their ally.Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16834824158828839222008-06-24T16:36:00.000-07:002008-06-24T16:36:00.000-07:00For me Carlin is a prime example of the before and...For me Carlin is a prime example of the before and after.<BR/><BR/>Before I came to Christ, Carlin was a riot: rude, coarse, poking his finger in the eye of authority. His use of profanity appealed to the juvenile mentality. He was like Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor, people who said things you never heard in polite company which made it all the more appealing.<BR/><BR/>Afterwards and now following his death, he seems just sad. An angry, bitter person with no hope and nothing to live for. His profane humor now pales in comparison to what you hear from the mouths of teenaged girls and adults in the business world. His uniqueness was gone. <BR/><BR/>Now he is dead and his quick wit and sharp tongue will do nothing to convince the Judge to spare him. In the midst of the world celebrating his life, we ought to look at his death as a sobering reminder of what is at stake.Arthur Sidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848508095612688493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77298912579146297562008-06-24T16:04:00.000-07:002008-06-24T16:04:00.000-07:00"On my wall I have a life-size map of the United S..."On my wall I have a life-size map of the United States."<BR/><BR/>"I live on a one-way dead-end street."<BR/><BR/>"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."<BR/><BR/>--Steven WrightFour Pointerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08709119227948492967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34026313190666326002008-06-24T15:45:00.000-07:002008-06-24T15:45:00.000-07:00Ok, I couldn't resist my urge to blog (trying to c...Ok, I couldn't resist my urge to blog (trying to cut down) after reading so many SW's funny quotes (had NO IDEA who he was until I read Wiki's entry--and here's a quote from that entry):<BR/><BR/>"I went to a store that had a sign that said "Open 24 Hours" and it was closed...I asked the manager 'Why are you closing? It says you're open 24 hours.' He said 'Not in a row.'" <BR/><BR/><BR/>Now we know why 24-hour stores have locks on them. :)Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37513055255179714242008-06-24T14:37:00.000-07:002008-06-24T14:37:00.000-07:00I can't believe I forgot to include this..."I'm ad...I can't believe I forgot to include this...<BR/><BR/>"I'm addicted to placebos. I'd give them up, but it wouldn't make any difference." - SWAndy Dollahitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575945592447351602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84651048096927102032008-06-24T14:06:00.000-07:002008-06-24T14:06:00.000-07:00Hmm. Fundie-Mundie. I can imagine that to the tune...Hmm. Fundie-Mundie. <BR/><BR/>I can imagine that to the tune of "Monday Monday" by the Mamas and the Papas. <BR/><BR/>"Fundie Mundie (bah da, bah da da da)<BR/><BR/>I'd better stop it. Now.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5144294916023626292008-06-24T14:04:00.000-07:002008-06-24T14:04:00.000-07:00DJP,I'm with you for the most part...BUT, it just ...DJP,<BR/><BR/>I'm with you for the most part...<BR/><BR/>BUT, it just seems too easy to criticize someone else's tone and use of the tongue from the Internet. (Interestingly Driscoll will be speaking at the DG conference on just this topic, won't he?) How many times have people recently thrown Eph. 4:29, or something similar, at Frank for his "clowning" people? They just swoop in, drop a verse, and then walk away feeling good about themselves. I know how this works, because I've done it too.<BR/><BR/>Mark is big enough to answer for himself, so I'm not here to defend him. My basic question comes back to this...(in the innocent kind of way, not the accusatory way).<BR/><BR/>Could your general point have been made without bringing controversy to Mark's name? Am I off here?<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Andy Dollahitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09575945592447351602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53384303184066744102008-06-24T13:53:00.000-07:002008-06-24T13:53:00.000-07:00"mark;Driscoll is a self appointed pastor. If you ..."mark;<BR/><BR/>Driscoll is a self appointed pastor. If you listen to his testimony on the mp3 from the Convergetn Conference session 3 you will hear him talk about how God told him(yes, like actually spoke to him) to start churches and this after he was newly converted. Huge red flags there."<BR/><BR/>~Ah...that makes this much clearer. Glad to read that he's trying to do better at least!~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27690637934816837012008-06-24T13:42:00.000-07:002008-06-24T13:42:00.000-07:00have to agree with aboulet - I don't think the mai...have to agree with aboulet - I don't think the main stream media will lead with "cussing pastor" <BR/><BR/>Nor will it lead with "sponsored dances where people of questionable moral turpitude and revealing clothing danced".<BR/><BR/>Nor anything about "blue sex talks"<BR/><BR/>Now I wouldn't label Dan as a fundy-mundie.David A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.com