tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post4008772932280565348..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: What did Jesus (not) say about... His teaching?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32137601383613993872010-11-19T06:13:49.328-08:002010-11-19T06:13:49.328-08:00Can't.....
Resist.....
ARGH!
"I think......Can't.....<br />Resist.....<br />ARGH!<br /><br />"I think....THEREFORE I AM!"<br /><br />Sorry, sorry.<br /><br />But in all seriousness:<br />"Before Abraham was, I AM."<br />John 5:85Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56863324970027054472010-11-18T04:59:38.679-08:002010-11-18T04:59:38.679-08:00I would take that even further by saying that when...I would take that even further by saying that when we repeat Jesus' words, we shouldn't say IMHO because <b><i>that</i></b> is faux humility. That is where many "church" movements wind up straying from the clear truth Of Jesus' teaching. It is like they forget that He also said that not a single jot or tittle of the law will be done away with.<br /><br />Now when we try to make assumptions based off of His teaching, then we get into the arena of "I think".Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78220777952744202562010-11-18T04:20:11.795-08:002010-11-18T04:20:11.795-08:00Steve, LOL.
MK, clever question, but I think you ...Steve, LOL.<br /><br />MK, clever question, but I think you get the point. We use it as the language of uncertainty, or even (at worst) <i>faux</i> humility, and Jesus never did either in His teaching.<br /><br />IOW, as the title says: Jesus didn't say "I think" about His teaching.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25779009124627256252010-11-17T23:08:22.525-08:002010-11-17T23:08:22.525-08:00If Jesus blogged, he would NOT end his posts with ...If Jesus blogged, he would NOT end his posts with "IMHO."Steve Bervenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02137453259611119361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57869633918778094082010-11-17T23:06:58.936-08:002010-11-17T23:06:58.936-08:00Meno -
Jesus spoke as one speaking for the Fathe...Meno - <br /><br />Jesus spoke as one speaking for the Father. He spoke with the authority of God, to those who had not yet come to see him as divine.<br /><br />For Jesus to speak to the crowds with an "I think" or "Perhaps" kind of presentation, would give them more of the "food for thought" rather than "thus sayeth the Lord!"<br /><br />By speaking with authority, by stating things without reservation or caveat, He made it a "take or leave it" proposition with no room for middle ground or half measures.Steve Bervenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02137453259611119361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-842833264575898272010-11-17T22:49:49.386-08:002010-11-17T22:49:49.386-08:00Just wondering here...
If Jesus is God and basica...Just wondering here...<br /><br />If Jesus is God and basically reality is that which corresponds to God (I don't really know how else to say it), then Christ saying "I think" or saying "I SAY TO YOU" or even quoting a prophet directly would be identical statements, right?<br /><br />If Christ says "I think", that's equally as authoritative as the "let there be light", since Christ's thoughts and words are the thoughts and words that created and sustain reality itself.<br /><br />I get the thrust of the post though...Jesus never spoke with uncertainty.<br /><br />I'm just wondering if, being Jesus, he could use uncertain language ("it seems to me that that", "I imagine that", "I feel that") with complete and total authority, and with no actual uncertainty whatsoever.<br /><br />That's my $.02 for all y'all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54717249361310507002010-11-17T11:24:33.500-08:002010-11-17T11:24:33.500-08:00"Verily verily"
I hate when they transl..."Verily verily"<br /><br />I hate when they translate this, "Truly I say to you..."<br /><br />It means the same thing as "Amen" except he starts a statement with it. We use it to end a prayer as we agree with truth that already exists outside of our interaction with it or assent to it. Jesus starts statements with this because He establishes Truth. He needs not assent to nor interact with Truth because He is Truth.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35969930267249882012010-11-17T06:56:33.684-08:002010-11-17T06:56:33.684-08:00Bingo. Thanks, Eric.
Unless you want to say "...Bingo. Thanks, Eric.<br /><br />Unless you want to say "shared His inerrant, God-breathed, morally-binding and unassailably-true views."DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9814764243305987002010-11-17T06:49:30.562-08:002010-11-17T06:49:30.562-08:00I came across an example of the type of thinking t...I came across an example of the type of thinking that Dan is critiquing here. In a Christian Post article about a "Global Faith Forum", Pastor Bob Roberts is quoted as saying this:<br /><br />"He (Jesus) shared his views, but he did life with people and shared it along the way."<br /><br />Jesus "shared his views"?? I think not.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16345630463450652762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11726654992431099272010-11-17T04:37:34.977-08:002010-11-17T04:37:34.977-08:00I once remarked that in the Sermon on the Mount, w...I once remarked that in the Sermon on the Mount, we see God in the flesh giving the law to His people once again (just like with Moses at Mt. Sinai). The difference being, that as the God-man, He lived the perfect obedience to the law that we needed, and we must believe that He has done so and live according to grace and not the law.<br /><br />word verification - tingli...seems more appropriate for a post on da gifts!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7531752143863874162010-11-17T04:36:39.496-08:002010-11-17T04:36:39.496-08:00We should be cautious to remember that changing ou...We should be cautious to remember that changing our own statements from "I think this is how it is" to "This is how it is" doesn't make them any more correct, although we should still seek to make statements based on Scriptural authority, not our wishful thinking or human speculation.CGrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257084521984285384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65814258712068946642010-11-17T02:49:20.049-08:002010-11-17T02:49:20.049-08:00The sad thing is, you can probably hear Stefan'...The sad thing is, you can probably hear Stefan's quotes in far too many "emergent" churches these days.<br /><br />Far too many modern preachers who are reluctant to treat Jesus' words and teachings as authoritative. They'd rather provide His "insights" as thoughts to ponder in living a fuller life. Or something.<br /><br />I love that you can make such a telling point with just two words.Steve Bervenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02137453259611119361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65878862130053359882010-11-16T23:39:36.941-08:002010-11-16T23:39:36.941-08:00(that He is the Son of God, and rest for our souls...(that He is the Son of God, and <i>rest</i> for our souls)- yes, just as when Jesus said, "Take heart, I have overcome the world." It should calm the waters just to know the sure Word is there in the boat with us. Peace, be still. What a contrast from the unstable man. But alas...<br /><br />Rachel, Stefan hit it, you looped it, if you're understanding that in this malaise of life there is one sound, sure voice. In that strong tower we can run and find safety and all that connotes, peace, security, rest, wholeness. The opposite is not having the assurance that God is in control. What a curse when we do not see that we live by every word that procedes out of God's mouth. The Word is not just an opinion of food, it is food. What a mess our thinking, our peace and hope, become when the Word is just one more voice vying for our attention. In any case, what I wrote was meant to be helter skelter for that very reason. May God bless yours with health and peace and rest.<br /><br />one busy mom- authority is a major issue. We might be able to agree with what a particular text says, but it is one thing to agree that the texts says it, it is another to agree that the text means it (that is, insists upon it), cuz frankly, we don't always agree on what it means. What we need is definition not if I only had a brain answers. Scripture is filled with references about vision, sight, seeing more than men who look like trees. That is what it promises, to give sight to the blind. It is the difference between being told that there are stars and looking up on a clear Rocky Mountain winter's night. It is the difference between asking for an answer doubting, and asking for one in full assurance of faith.<br /><br />Lesson well spent, Dan.Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85373108533971945992010-11-16T23:12:02.176-08:002010-11-16T23:12:02.176-08:00One Busy Mom:
I never saw this until today, eithe...One Busy Mom:<br /><br />I never saw this until today, either.<br /><br />And that's a brilliant thought experiment!<br /><br />"I think that unless one is born again, he might not be able to see the kingdom of God." (Pseudo-John 3:3)<br /><br />"It seems to me that whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me might have eternal life. He probably won't come into judgment, and has possibly passed from death to life." (Pseudo-John 5:24)<br /><br />It's tempting to laugh, but it's deadly serious!<br /><br />God have mercy on us all!Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26363113985770886522010-11-16T23:11:02.718-08:002010-11-16T23:11:02.718-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76025498954745897512010-11-16T23:07:38.613-08:002010-11-16T23:07:38.613-08:00(And I just realized I unwittingly used "I th...(And I just realized I unwittingly used "I think". Again, Jesus won't do that because He "gets it" all the time...way before we do.) :)Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2595896534763591822010-11-16T22:48:37.992-08:002010-11-16T22:48:37.992-08:00Haha. I think I get it. Jesus is the only and fi...Haha. I think I get it. Jesus is the only and final authority on all things. He sets the Law and His words are not opinions.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82658418589802648222010-11-16T20:32:33.433-08:002010-11-16T20:32:33.433-08:00Very Insightful!
Just to see the difference, I qu...Very Insightful!<br /><br />Just to see the difference, I quickly read thru the 1st 7 chapters of John - substituting "ya know, I kinda think" for all the "most assuredly I say to you", & similar phrases. What a DIFFERENCE! <br /><br />Although it should have, it never really hit me before, the magnitude of the authority that Jesus taught with & the number of times He affirmed that authority.one busy momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18087795055010641099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64356787108498981752010-11-16T19:05:03.223-08:002010-11-16T19:05:03.223-08:00"(three solid weeks of sick husband and sick ..."(three solid weeks of sick husband and sick kids)" Rachel<br /><br />Lord bless Rachel and her family with Your grace and mercy in her time of need. Amen.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69120142041115785502010-11-16T17:31:19.848-08:002010-11-16T17:31:19.848-08:00Wow, Strong Tower. That's just deep into the l...Wow, Strong Tower. That's just deep into the loopy. <i>Deep.</i><br /><br />And given that I'm deep into the loopy myself today (three solid weeks of sick husband and sick kids), it just <i>spoke</i> to me.<br /><br />I'm not sure <i>what</i> it spoke, exactly.<br /><br />Which is the point, I think.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12809979369223993432010-11-16T17:23:06.737-08:002010-11-16T17:23:06.737-08:00The difference being between internal uncertainty ...The difference being between internal uncertainty on Jesus' part ("I think") and the misunderstanding or partial understanding of others.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58616760176752284272010-11-16T17:10:19.201-08:002010-11-16T17:10:19.201-08:00Jesus did not always speak in clarity (parables an...Jesus did not always speak in clarity (parables and quoting from Isaiah 6), he did ask people to withhold information (told the healed not to reveal their healer), and he withdrew to save his own life. Would that be under the same category as ambiguity? I think...<br />no.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044277928052759074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26626391511250731412010-11-16T15:05:44.453-08:002010-11-16T15:05:44.453-08:00Strong Tower is so right.
The Bible warns us over...Strong Tower is so right.<br /><br />The Bible warns us over and over again (including through Jesus!) that an awful, impending judgment is coming, and that the prospectus doesn't look good for any of us. Revelation 6:16 even speaks of fleeing from the wrath of the Lamb!<br /><br />So if Jesus Christ's words are not the ironclad Truth with a capital "T" (that He is the Son of God, and rest for our souls; that He gave His life as a ransom for many; that whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life), then we are eternally doomed.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67436548795981814682010-11-16T14:53:51.461-08:002010-11-16T14:53:51.461-08:00Have you not read?
Ah, but I say to you ...Have you not read?<br /><br />Ah, <i>but I say to you ...</i>FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11076222377816993612010-11-16T14:25:21.347-08:002010-11-16T14:25:21.347-08:00Occurs to me I could do three or four full posts o...Occurs to me I could do three or four full posts on the first two in the series, eh?<br /><br />(Trying to relate to our Canadian readers there, doncha know?)<br /><br />(That one was for the Minnesota readers. <i>Je suis</i> Outreach Guy.)<br /><br />(<i>That</i> one was for... okay, stopping now.)DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com