tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post459848234069915660..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Open Letter to Mark Driscoll (2013)Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger100125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56088083199505493012014-03-22T15:44:16.828-07:002014-03-22T15:44:16.828-07:00Just re-read this. Amazingly pertinent.Just re-read this. Amazingly pertinent.The Blog bites better than the Bullet.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05768775982264747802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12390985087245431172013-11-05T10:36:37.394-08:002013-11-05T10:36:37.394-08:00MVM:
For the record, if you think Mark Driscoll r...MVM:<br /><br />For the record, if you think Mark Driscoll really invited Dr. MacArthur to his conference, you should ask yourself one question.<br /><br />Here it is:<br /><br /><b><i>If I wanted John MacArthur to come to my conference or church to speak publicly, would I publish and invitation to him via my blog, or would I contact his scheduling team to see if and when he's available?</i></b><br /><br />FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79341042535193772312013-11-05T00:02:35.837-08:002013-11-05T00:02:35.837-08:00Well Frank it looks like you may get your wish if ...Well Frank it looks like you may get your wish if MacArthur is up for it.MVMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07277847548649652818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25772703518127043702013-05-22T20:58:00.910-07:002013-05-22T20:58:00.910-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128340971759265152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2037167904136267412013-05-22T20:57:26.314-07:002013-05-22T20:57:26.314-07:00Well, I for one am baffled. First I read the artic...Well, I for one am baffled. First I read the article. Then I watched the video in its entirety, ready gasp at all the points made by the writer of the article. But after finishing, I found that Driscoll was spot on and really accurately identified what's happening in western christianity today. And the blogger's points precisely align with Driscoll's points. We all know which "tribe" Pyromaniacs is in. ;)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128340971759265152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90929528322346560992013-05-21T09:50:43.347-07:002013-05-21T09:50:43.347-07:00Good assessment Frank!
I'm at a loss as to wh...Good assessment Frank!<br /><br />I'm at a loss as to what this event was supposed to accomplish. You're not going to bring people back together by smugly dissing them as you speak.<br /><br />I thought the video was insulting, and arrogant (especially when he said Resurgence and Mars Hill are in the same tribe as Jesus) after dissing most of the other goups. <br /><br />I don't have, nor do I want a tribe. I just want to study the Bible, understand it, be transformed by it, and share the Gospel with people who are lost in the hopes that they may be saved. And when I see someone teaching something unbiblical I'm going to warn others because false teaching can shipwreck people's faith. It is serious and I don't care if "tribal leaders" don't like getting criticized. If they are wrong, they should be corrected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76081514123419473102013-05-21T00:28:48.403-07:002013-05-21T00:28:48.403-07:00Of course this is the part where he says he doesn&...Of course this is the part where he says he doesn't like your tone and that you should send him your criticism privately. Of course, besides the fact that this can be easily refuted from Scripture, it is exactly the type of thing Driscoll is most allergic too. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197638676189401981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56103452299663337822013-05-20T09:38:05.349-07:002013-05-20T09:38:05.349-07:00Justin Grice:
Nope. I don't see it. Explain...Justin Grice:<br /><br />Nope. I don't see it. Explain it to me -- because I have never thought of anything, or discussed anything, or worked out my own ideas and theology ... until you showed up.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80877421279811142142013-05-20T09:05:59.306-07:002013-05-20T09:05:59.306-07:00First a lot of spot on comments here.
Now, I watc...First a lot of spot on comments here.<br /><br />Now, I watched all 20 minutes of Driscoll's monologue. First, He claims to be reformed. So I'm thinking when is he going to open the Bible. Was not the reformation noted for its SOLAS. You know SOLA SCRIPTURA. Shouldn't a preacher preach from Scripture since Jesus said to live by every word of scripture as also said Paul. Second, let's be known for a knew label-TRIBES-woo hoo! Third, just who is Evan Gelical? Never heard of him. I remember the LORD saying we would are HIS Church-eklesia (sorry if I can't spell it) Fourth, did he get a new label machine for his birthday or something. My kids were using one the other day and having a blast labeling everything in their room. A question though: Why such a high price for a conference? <br /><br />Lord, give us shepherds after your own heart.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15681240324746126544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14362055168379405012013-05-20T06:56:04.995-07:002013-05-20T06:56:04.995-07:00Justin, what?Justin, what?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33907991723738583692013-05-20T06:52:41.688-07:002013-05-20T06:52:41.688-07:00Does anybody see the hypocrisy in a blog "ope...Does anybody see the hypocrisy in a blog "open letter" critisism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5450111060287216172013-05-20T06:30:16.954-07:002013-05-20T06:30:16.954-07:00Aaron --
You know, as a blogger, and a well-known...Aaron --<br /><br />You know, as a blogger, and a well-known critic of the subculture of watchblogging, I understand the tightrope that one has to walk in order to be a blogger and criticize blogging. The problem one faces is that one has to be able to work with more nuance than stereotypes suitable for "Family Guy" will render. Unfortunately, for MD, he's a "Family Guy" guy.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56504474045394970372013-05-17T14:39:32.945-07:002013-05-17T14:39:32.945-07:00Frank - long time reader, first time commenter (do...Frank - long time reader, first time commenter (do I sound like I'm calling in to a talk show?). <br /><br><br />As a homeschooled hayseed who was also a part of an Acts 29 plant (nice to be mocked by the former head of the organization), here's my frustration: Driscoll does make a valid point if you simply take his thesis statement at face value. The problem is that he fills it out with so many gross generalizations, caricatures, and straw men (not to mention what Frank aptly described as humblebrag) that it completely submarined the thesis.<br /><br><br />I also love the point he makes around 5:30 - "Come with the attitude of a student, not a critic. Come to listen, not to disagree." "Perhaps you're the one who might be wrong." Well said, Mark. Maybe watch this yourself while putting yourself into the audience under that admonition.Aaron Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692079007038251250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42663133781153022732013-05-16T12:44:20.428-07:002013-05-16T12:44:20.428-07:00Also, thank you Pastor Mark for insulting all Fund...Also, thank you Pastor Mark for insulting all Fundamental Baptists with one fell sweep. I happen to be in that "tribe," more or less, with some twists and quirks borne of my educational and church background, and I can assure you that we really do have fun, and we drive cars. Shocka!yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48507695844591333322013-05-16T09:34:42.389-07:002013-05-16T09:34:42.389-07:00Frank...thanks for the King of Pain reference, now...Frank...thanks for the King of Pain reference, now I here MD mixed with Sting. You didn't make my week :)Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10148051372220453729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45540114959222359652013-05-16T09:04:57.165-07:002013-05-16T09:04:57.165-07:00Until Mark publicly repents for pornifying the gos...Until Mark publicly repents for pornifying the gospel, he has nothing of value to give to the church. It's amazing to see how he still views himself as a fount of wisdom after claiming to have sex visions from God and writing _Real Marriage_.yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72653466173735717672013-05-16T07:39:39.672-07:002013-05-16T07:39:39.672-07:00It just made my day that someone linked to the Edd...It just made my day that someone linked to the Eddie Haskell post. It may have made my week.<br /><br />To lack of Accountability, I think that's a generous way to put it. I don't it's a lack of accountability at all: I think it's a disdain toward anyone who would try to hold him accountable. God spoke to him after all -- called him audibly to be a the king of pain or whatever it is he's going to become. How can anyone hold him accountable when God is the one calling the shots?FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29097831764040040022013-05-16T07:06:43.783-07:002013-05-16T07:06:43.783-07:00I suggest that anyone who would tell MD he's w...<i>I suggest that anyone who would tell MD he's wrong is not a tribal leader, but a fundie homeschool Cletus who is a failure at ginning up his own tribe.</i><br /><br />Right, at least that's the picture he paints. Do you see this as a part of (or reason for) the disconnect between his ministry and reasonable accountability? Is lack of accountability what you're inferring here? "I think it's fantastic that you can walk away from the Gospel Coalition, and hand over the reigns to Acts29, and with no muss and no fuss start your own tribe. It's proof that you have something which most of us don't have."<br /><br /><i>But: look for the reaction against Driscoll's brief jibe about driving a minivan. That's where the action is.</i><br /><br />True, but Frank, he's such a nice boy doing things like ministry, so you shouldn't be pointing out these <i>minutiae</i>...<br />Personally I think <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2012/02/eddie-haskell-of-pastoral-trouble.html" rel="nofollow">Eddie Haskell</a> is a better likeness than Pat Robertson, but they both get the point across.Carl C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02186935981253723026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76527449676044345982013-05-16T04:42:18.357-07:002013-05-16T04:42:18.357-07:00Carl: I suggest that anyone who would tell MD he&#...Carl: I suggest that anyone who would tell MD he's wrong is not a tribal leader, but a fundie homeschool Cletus who is a failure at ginning up his own tribe. <br /><br />But: look for the reaction against Driscoll's brief jibe about driving a minivan. That's where the action is. FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54783011916618039072013-05-16T02:20:26.661-07:002013-05-16T02:20:26.661-07:00timfall -- precisely! Very well put.
You brandish...timfall -- precisely! Very well put.<br /><br /><i>You brandish the keen condescending tongue of someone high-school famous who knows that his popularity is only durable as long as he can demonstrate there are others who are uncool, infamous, unacceptable and undefended.</i><br />What a great summary of the barrage of potshots he took in this video at others not in his tribe.<br /><br />Thank you for speaking up like you have in your post, Frank. I have family who used to be under MD's direction, and let's just say this kind of corrective is very needed. Hopefully <i>this</i> will be the one he heeds, that you don't "have to be somebody" (video, 8:45) like a "tribal chief" to speak truth to which he'll actually pay attention and under which he'll truly be humbled.Carl C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02186935981253723026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53789795011475790882013-05-15T20:50:11.773-07:002013-05-15T20:50:11.773-07:00Some people have clearly not bothered to read &quo...Some people have clearly not bothered to read "THE RULES" (located along the right just below the blogroll).threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81591389436784049332013-05-15T19:17:28.358-07:002013-05-15T19:17:28.358-07:00MCC:
I'm pleased you think I have "fan b...MCC:<br /><br />I'm pleased you think I have "fan boys." That makes me feel a lot like Kevin Smith.<br /><br />Now: what exactly is wrong or right with the actual post? Or do you have to read it first to find out?FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82225464698036111372013-05-15T19:16:12.259-07:002013-05-15T19:16:12.259-07:00Dever is in my top-two honey badgers.Dever is in my top-two honey badgers.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43253377370636393582013-05-15T17:24:42.090-07:002013-05-15T17:24:42.090-07:00"I would love to see 90 minutes with Carl or ..."I would love to see 90 minutes with Carl or Phil on one side, MD on the other, and the moderator being someone who is the evangelical equivalent of the Honey Badger."<br /><br />Frank, could I humbly submit Mark Dever as a nomination for 'Honey Badger' at your wished-for confrontation? He stays 'cool' and 'sharp' under pressure and is a true 'workman' of Scripture.Calvyn Jonkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02241058328183092145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57802289351729963032013-05-15T16:56:53.636-07:002013-05-15T16:56:53.636-07:00Carl C. - Happily Christ does have more substantia...Carl C. - Happily Christ does have more substantial criteria. It's his death and resurrection and finished work on our behalf.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Tim<br /><br />P.S. Sorry, didn't mean to get all serious on everyone. On a lighter note, you can click here to read about <a href="http://wp.me/p2EmLc-10F" rel="nofollow">Biblical Flatulence</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com