tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5115326208063464156..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Book review — Spiritual Depression: Its Causes and Cures (re-issued and enhanced), by D. Martyn Lloyd-JonesPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51556006366772043612020-04-05T23:38:08.240-07:002020-04-05T23:38:08.240-07:00He gives a great overview of his pastoral diagnosi...He gives a great overview of his pastoral diagnosis of problems in two lectures "Body, mind, and spirit" parts A and B.<br /><br />He notes that he starts by trying to identify the cause of the problem as physical, spiritual, psychological, or demonic. He observed one can do great harm by treating a psychological or physical problem as spiritual. And vice versa...lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12951381758494449531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3507902101045262252012-02-23T07:42:59.421-08:002012-02-23T07:42:59.421-08:00Last night at Ash Wednesday Service, I fellowship ...Last night at Ash Wednesday Service, I fellowship with a sister in Christ, who is having the same problems with her loss of memory that I am having. She explained that it may be "depression".<br /><br />I then talked with my pastor today at a men's morning get together at Spring Grove Cafe, and shared about your post, and he told me he has two copies of this book!<br /><br />I share all this to give our sovereign Savior and Friend glory for His love, that passeth all knowledge! Praise His holy name!<br /><br />Thanks once again for the post, and I shall send it on to my church so they can share with even more fellow believers.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31404894007597950642012-02-22T22:25:43.340-08:002012-02-22T22:25:43.340-08:00@ JG
I recently listened to a sermon on counselin...@ JG<br /><br />I recently listened to a sermon on counseling and it was said that the aim of counseling is to present everyone complete in Christ (Col. 1:28). It was helpful for me to hear someone else say that we distinguish in the way we counsel nonbelievers and believers. The emphasis in counseling the lost is to assure them there is no certain ground in this life besides Christ. Our word of encouragement to the lost, no matter how bleak their situation is, is that God is being patient with them so that they may repent (Rom. 2:4).<br /><br />You seem to be on the right track from the questions you're asking, this is just a word to tell you to persevere in your conversations with your Muslim friend. : )<br /><br />As a sidenote since Future Grace was mentioned, a new edition will be released this fall and I too highly recommend it to those struggling with depression.Rainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03675526554252850722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26986163613866819522012-02-22T05:59:58.874-08:002012-02-22T05:59:58.874-08:00A friend lent me this book quite some time ago - b...A friend lent me this book quite some time ago - back in the 90's. I read to a certain point and then laid it aside. I couldn't finish it, and the reason why I can't recall. Perhaps I should revisit Mr. Jones writing again.<br /><br />I have come to discover just how much the role logismoi (the onslaught of thoughts - those that assault and tempt us) has in the area of depression. How do we take every thought captive to obey Christ? It must be with prayer, and the kind of prayer that remains with us and which we practice throughout the day. This is no easy task, but it is the mind and the dark thoughts of our passions that run through it, which can deeply effect our spiritual, mental, and emotional well-being.Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51948298197986561902012-02-21T21:17:22.176-08:002012-02-21T21:17:22.176-08:00Great series. Good review.Great series. Good review.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60071098839846558972012-02-21T20:21:53.333-08:002012-02-21T20:21:53.333-08:00See that's the problem with us. We see it ment...See that's the problem with us. We see it mentioned that a small percentage of depression cases may be due to physical problems and we try to make it sound like all depression cases are due to a physical cause. Then we equate physical to low brain chemicals and whala, "It's so nice to see Martin Lloyd-Jones say we need to take antidepressants!"mikebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947509425403456046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89073382478055351092012-02-21T17:05:13.096-08:002012-02-21T17:05:13.096-08:00I just got this same edition last week, the book s...I just got this same edition last week, the book so far is excellent, and the disk is a wonderful addition to the package. Great review, I hope to get deeper into this book soon.mikew116https://www.blogger.com/profile/15904946581928823933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78566122781181713262012-02-21T14:05:50.058-08:002012-02-21T14:05:50.058-08:00On the diet front,there are plenty of people who q...On the diet front,there are plenty of people who question the lipid hypothesis, it's basis in good science, and consequences since it's public dissemination.The Weston Price Foundation, Mark Sisson at Mark's Daily Apple, et cetera. <br /><br />Might be worth looking into for those who aren't aware. Many people seem to benefit in various ways from going lower carb, cutting grains, eating more animal fat,ditching the processed omega 6 oils,and having more omega 3 (Lower carb with it is more Sisson et al than WAPF).<br /><br />Hope this is fine to post.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063611909779154899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36848902336623032902012-02-21T12:34:32.480-08:002012-02-21T12:34:32.480-08:00I see exactly what you mean, Johnny.I see exactly what you mean, Johnny.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26484441097496559062012-02-21T12:33:01.521-08:002012-02-21T12:33:01.521-08:00Dan, I read and much enjoyed this book some time a...Dan, I read and much enjoyed this book some time ago. It seems to me the good doctor anticipated cognitive therapy, which is the only valid form of psychotherapy IMO. By grounding it in Scripture, of course, he placed the ultimate answers in the right place.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39293854993918584742012-02-21T10:46:26.004-08:002012-02-21T10:46:26.004-08:00"Apart from those who had organic problems li..."Apart from those who had organic problems like brain damage, the people I met in the two institutions in Illinois were there because of their own failure to meet life's problems. To put it simply, they were there because of their unforgiven and unaltered sinful behavior." Competent to Counsel, Jay Adams, xvi. Unless brain damage and thyroid problems are the same, Adams advice to me would be get right with God, evidently. Chip, no doubt Dr. Adams has done much good, but I see some flaws. I might also add I heard him once in person, and the pastor who was with me agreed it had been a while since we had heard someone as full of himself as Adams was that day. To sweeten my comments I will say his book Preaching with Purpose is excellent and I highly recommend it.Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20579705171868943802012-02-21T10:26:21.739-08:002012-02-21T10:26:21.739-08:00Kerry,
I have used Adam's material for 20 yea...Kerry,<br /><br />I have used Adam's material for 20 years. He absolutely makes a case for organic depression. His advice in all counseling situations is to rule out physical ailments first.Chip Van Emmerikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594803226987041563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43171100553438443622012-02-21T10:20:24.367-08:002012-02-21T10:20:24.367-08:00That answers my question. Thanks!That answers my question. Thanks!JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03116405895683599572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23815586840495804692012-02-21T10:15:37.773-08:002012-02-21T10:15:37.773-08:00You want my serious answer? Get her The World-Tilt...You want my serious answer? Get her <i>The World-Tilting Gospel</i>. See what she does with that.<br /><br />If she is a genuine believer and is attending that cult... yeah, well, that's definitely depressing. But the first thing to get square on is the Gospel, and I'm hopeful that book might help. Others are saying so.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82848609205334394382012-02-21T10:05:43.904-08:002012-02-21T10:05:43.904-08:00Thanks for this review, DJP. I have a specific fri...Thanks for this review, DJP. I have a specific friend in mind as I read this. I'd like to get her this book, but she's not a believer. We don't live near each other, so I'd basically be ordering it and shipping it to her, and not be able to sit down and discuss it with her. She's Mormon, has suffered from depression as long as I've known her, and has insisted to me time and again that "she's a Christian, just a different kind of Christian." (I know, I know) I guess my question is, would this book profit a person not in a relationship with Christ by pointing to Him, or is it written with the assumption that the reader is already a believer? That's a poor way to say it, but I think you know what I mean.JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03116405895683599572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1270829029821094332012-02-21T09:12:19.171-08:002012-02-21T09:12:19.171-08:00Great, Barbara; then do get this edition. The serm...Great, Barbara; then do get this edition. The sermons are really worth it. Gives you some pastoral insight in his anecdotes, as well. You'll never forget the man who's in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9464810552010583432012-02-21T09:10:29.897-08:002012-02-21T09:10:29.897-08:00Thank you. As I am studying for NANC certification...Thank you. As I am studying for NANC certification, I needed to order this book anyway. Having the audio sermons to go along with it is just the little push I needed to go ahead and order it now.Barbarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604068110452745043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68288190256423223472012-02-21T08:45:42.128-08:002012-02-21T08:45:42.128-08:00Thank you for this resource, Dan. I've only ex...Thank you for this resource, Dan. I've only experienced depression during the last year, due to menopause. They physical and psychological changes are profound.<br /><br />julesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26262818437262417482012-02-21T07:31:07.709-08:002012-02-21T07:31:07.709-08:00I'm sorry, Rho. It's a miserable go.
In a...I'm sorry, Rho. It's a miserable go.<br /><br />In a sideways way, Piper's <i>Future Grace</i> was actually very helpful to me.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65076800005325520982012-02-21T07:29:55.861-08:002012-02-21T07:29:55.861-08:00Thanks DJP.
Someone dear to me is suffering in th...Thanks DJP. <br />Someone dear to me is suffering in this way. I have bought them the book.<br /><br />This person has tried numerous physical remedies; no dice so far.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64495048575717655382012-02-21T06:53:53.307-08:002012-02-21T06:53:53.307-08:00Thanks Dan. Of course as you've pointed out ma...Thanks Dan. Of course as you've pointed out many times in the past, if a person is not a Christian, then they ought to be depressed! So I'm not suggesting that it's always a physical problem, either.Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43371886879883800042012-02-21T06:32:39.250-08:002012-02-21T06:32:39.250-08:00Troo dat, strat.Troo dat, strat.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34985406697932947842012-02-21T06:28:20.966-08:002012-02-21T06:28:20.966-08:00Dan, yes I'm aware that it isn't a slam-du...Dan, yes I'm aware that it isn't a slam-dunk. All I'm saying is that because the physical cause is still unclear, then some people conclude that it must be a spiritual problem, which conclusion is both a non sequitur and probably harmful to the person being treated.Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11411459325328701452012-02-21T06:25:00.101-08:002012-02-21T06:25:00.101-08:00This is one area where the venerable Jay Adams has...This is one area where the venerable Jay Adams has probably overstayed his welcome. At least two books out now (the one I mentioned earlier and another that a friend of mine is reading) are taking a dim view of his hypothesis that no depression is organic and you are just in sin or not reading the Bible enough. I confess and read my Bible regularly but it didn't stop my thyroid problem!Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1119289487040674542012-02-21T06:09:48.703-08:002012-02-21T06:09:48.703-08:00Strat, in the review I'm not saying anything u...Strat, in the review I'm not saying anything up or down about antidepressants. An antidepressant (per se) does not address a physical problem such as thyroid or vitamin deficiency or other physical disease or condition. The "serotonin" explanation often given for antidepressants <a href="http://thecripplegate.com/depression-and-serotonin/" rel="nofollow">isn't the slam-dunk that it's sometimes been portrayed as being</a>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com