tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5221237614737073567..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: The Gospel as Performance ArtPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57053887919341607662012-02-05T21:24:17.226-08:002012-02-05T21:24:17.226-08:00Hi Phil,
Thank You for your post. Suggestion. How...Hi Phil,<br /><br />Thank You for your post. Suggestion. How about you start your own Elephant Room, name it after your blog "The Pyromaniacs Room" and invite Mark Driscoll. In that Video he made several years ago addressed to you he stated he was looking forward to meeting you so I say set up the format and reach out to him. If he agrees to the terms of the format and actually shows up then you can ask him all the tough questions face to face. Moderator? Todd FrielRodrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03206126615499836551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54872689397235063282012-02-05T14:48:16.917-08:002012-02-05T14:48:16.917-08:00candy -
In the movie version is a scene involvin...candy - <br /><br />In the movie version is a scene involving spiders that I will never forget, unfortunately.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41820241748577543972012-02-05T12:56:29.779-08:002012-02-05T12:56:29.779-08:00Great stuff here! You say what i would like to sa...Great stuff here! You say what i would like to say if i could only say it as well as you say it.Caleb Kolstadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16430229005942296570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54042196712414318532012-02-05T10:44:21.814-08:002012-02-05T10:44:21.814-08:00I just bumped into this, and thought of this post,...I just bumped into this, and thought of this post, and thought I'd share it. It's pretty bad. It's very bad in fact. <br />But, it's what many think is a good thing.<br />Sad.<br /><br />http://skitguys.com/videos/item/i-am-alivedonsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63451258931400167342012-02-05T06:46:58.796-08:002012-02-05T06:46:58.796-08:00Ok...let me clarify, since you must be sarcastical...Ok...let me clarify, since you must be sarcastically referring to my lack of substance, Frank.<br /><br />I read a book once by Ray Bradbury, called "Something Wicked This Way Comes." It was about a carnival that came to town in the middle of the night, and something was off kilter, only noticed by two observant boys. The town was sucked in by the lights and action and didn't realize that the carnival catered to their weaknesses and desires and sucked them in. The end result was that they were entirely trapped somehow within the carnival itself. The man who lead the carnival was a type of Satanic figure. Thus, I happened to be thinking of that book when I made my clown comment.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12066738336665210742012-02-05T06:05:52.703-08:002012-02-05T06:05:52.703-08:00I was a clown once, remember Frank? :)
I am not jo...I was a clown once, remember Frank? :)<br />I am not joking on the clown comment.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78967645501052647832012-02-05T05:28:06.492-08:002012-02-05T05:28:06.492-08:00I'm glad I read all the way down to Candy'...I'm glad I read all the way down to Candy's comments, because I was just about to publish, "No comments on how scary clowns are? "<br /><br />Our readers deliver, y'all.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21808209371723342482012-02-04T10:10:17.421-08:002012-02-04T10:10:17.421-08:00Clowns are scary.Clowns are scary.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77907265830872105372012-02-04T08:50:23.111-08:002012-02-04T08:50:23.111-08:00CCinTn,
Apology accepted, and my sincere apology ...CCinTn,<br /><br />Apology accepted, and my sincere apology for snarkiness picked up by Sam's snark-detector (thanks, Sam).<br /><br />I see what you were doing in the two parts and agree with you.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />Terry (also inTn)<br />Clarksville, that is. Swimming pools, movie stars (Sgt. Carter from "Gomer Pyle, USMC", who is buried in Greenwood Cemetary here). Good thang we're not way back in them Smokies, or us'n and our yungins be feudin' 'bout this for the next hunnerd yeers :)Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48633012220481373902012-02-04T07:28:52.175-08:002012-02-04T07:28:52.175-08:00Unfortunately theatre has entered mainstream Evang...Unfortunately theatre has entered mainstream Evangelicalism in various doses and at numerous points. "Signing" songs in the dark with luminescent gloves, dramatic video vignettes, drama troupes, and for years flyers advertising cruises with sumptuous dining, entertainment, "classes," shopping, and on Friday a no-holds-barred-and-no-punches-pulled debate between a Catholic/Buddhist/atheist/Muslim (fill it in "bad guy") and the warrior Christian -- an event lined up 6 months in advance and sold as though it were a cage fight. Furtick/Noble types are currently the most egregious form of this but excoriating them whilst supporting the latter is an evaluation scheme that would benefit from more nuance. Ironically, Neil Postman predicted much of this as churches began switching to images/drama/amusement from just talking. It is hard "in Canaan" as we are in the West to think of an area even in one's own personal life that wouldn't benefit from a purer focus on God Himself, ungilded, as it were, with the drone of Fleet street hype promising "amazing things" and "you don't want to miss" and "best conference line-up we've had" and "preaching a brand new series...." As MLJ pointed out often, the audience bears guilt, too, for desiring hype of sorts. Great post, great reminder, and thankful for the mission-work of Kiev 91 to the West a quarter-century later.C. T. Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03091864218423907942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38844835328028742092012-02-04T07:24:03.827-08:002012-02-04T07:24:03.827-08:00Hey Terry Rayburn,
Sorry my bad. I made a mistake ...Hey Terry Rayburn,<br />Sorry my bad. I made a mistake of using part of my post to respond to your post but then went on to a completely different comment that I probably should have put in a second post.<br />I agreed with your post about 98 percent and only meant to add to what you said that the visual reminders of our faith, including the fellowship we experience around the Lord's Table, can be important to what we want to "present". In other words the table (furniture), the cross, the baptistry etc.<br />I then launched in to a comment regarding the main post and how some are "presenting" something other than the Gospel.<br />Again, please take no offence my brother, none was attended.CCinTnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16009763520139761873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33008204377427669462012-02-04T06:35:39.587-08:002012-02-04T06:35:39.587-08:00Is the following relevant to this "The Gospel...Is the following relevant to this "The Gospel as Performace Art" blog? Its not unusal for theatrics like this at HBC in adult ministry as well as youth ministry.<br /><br /><a href="http://brothersmacdonald.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/blood-promises" rel="nofollow">Blood Promises</a> via the Brothers MacDonald:<br /><br /><i><br />At the end of my message, we brought an eight foot tall wooden cross into the center of the room and put 4 red ink pads on the ground. I put my thumb in the ink and pressed it on the cross and told the students whenever they felt ready, they could do the same, marking the cross as theirs and claiming the promises made by God for us. It was a powerful time as they marked the cross and we sang Amazing Grace, Nothing but the Blood and the Wonderful Cross. God showed up and the Spirit moved. Praise God.<br /></i>rom623rom828https://www.blogger.com/profile/12218793043467137920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54311655705409821952012-02-04T05:17:55.308-08:002012-02-04T05:17:55.308-08:00That's true Sir Aaron. No more altars do we ne...That's true Sir Aaron. No more altars do we need. <br />"It is Finished!"<br /><br />Have a great weekend brother.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36956561055034789572012-02-03T20:49:11.270-08:002012-02-03T20:49:11.270-08:00CCinTn,
You shot that straw man standing next to ...CCinTn,<br /><br />You shot that straw man standing next to me right in the heart! <br /><br />You know, the one who says,<br /><br />"...a minister must use theatrical antics or the pacing back and forth on the stage or walking among the audience to keep their rapt attention and to keep them engaged in the message..."<br /><br />and that we should<br /><br />"...co-op vaudville tricks 'to keep 'em laughing'."<br /><br />I know you're only exaggerating and spinning, but yikes! Do you seriously think that's what I advocated?<br /><br />I assume you didn't read Spurgeon's suggestions to his students in regard to the physicallity of preaching.<br /><br />You also may want to re-read my comment more carefully.<br /><br />Off to get my giant Bozo the Clown shoes and Groucho glasses complete with nose. Got some teaching to do tomorrow.Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00888533194435826837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67328392431958378532012-02-03T20:06:39.695-08:002012-02-03T20:06:39.695-08:00Amen Phil! thank you for sharing your experience i...Amen Phil! thank you for sharing your experience in Kiev, it's a joy to hear how the gospel is being forwarded in those countries! :)God bless you!Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385067178930906667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73505934684791743522012-02-03T17:33:46.451-08:002012-02-03T17:33:46.451-08:00@donsands: except for the altar part since Protes...@donsands: except for the altar part since Protestants shouldn't have "altars" anyways.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26785285479194886022012-02-03T17:29:33.715-08:002012-02-03T17:29:33.715-08:00Driscoll modeled his speaking style after Chris Ro...Driscoll modeled his speaking style after Chris Rock? I guess he included Rock's vocabulary too.<br /><br />The world is so much better at being the world. The only thing the church has to offer is the gospel.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21709233036937455722012-02-03T17:29:23.853-08:002012-02-03T17:29:23.853-08:00"..these are just some of the reasons why I a..."..these are just some of the reasons why I am not an Evangelical."-Darlene<br /><br />What are your beliefs, if it's okay to ask? <br /><br />I actually agree with your statement BTW.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36482858667089371852012-02-03T15:38:42.188-08:002012-02-03T15:38:42.188-08:00Just read the Carson / Keller article on TGC site:...Just read the Carson / Keller article on TGC site: Very thoughtful (if wordy) . . . seems they are trying to be "balanced" (never liked that concept much) . . . much good . . . but there's more they could / should say / do (notice the dualisms).<br /><br />I'll read it again -- I may have missed any reference to Mark Driscoll . . .Kevin Zuberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13204127861973813490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91383525584537135012012-02-03T14:35:40.575-08:002012-02-03T14:35:40.575-08:00The fixation on entertainment, the sappy praise so...The fixation on entertainment, the sappy praise songs, the stage replacing the altar, the auditorium replacing the nave, the de-emphasis on or discarding altogether of the sacraments, the cult of personality, the wresting of Jesus Christ from the Church - these are just some of the reasons why I am not an Evangelical.Darlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183436767997017002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10854634170001707312012-02-03T13:56:42.447-08:002012-02-03T13:56:42.447-08:00D.C. - Thanks. Didn't know about that.D.C. - Thanks. Didn't know about that.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73147428951314633822012-02-03T13:47:48.493-08:002012-02-03T13:47:48.493-08:00Sorry for the multiple deletes....was trying to po...Sorry for the multiple deletes....was trying to post a link the Time Cover that asked the question "Is this Man the next Billy Graham?" speaking of Mr Jakes. I am not savy enough on the posting yet. My apologies.D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04085578775817393871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2824723301860358472012-02-03T13:30:56.925-08:002012-02-03T13:30:56.925-08:00And all that show-biz-like fawning over Jakes: (s...And all that show-biz-like fawning over Jakes: (slight paraphrase) "You didn't have to come here and take the heat"(?) "You actually had DINNER with us last night!" You'd have thought he was Billy Graham making a surprise visit.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62792045221733703652012-02-03T12:57:55.707-08:002012-02-03T12:57:55.707-08:00CCinTn said, "I'm just a lay person"...CCinTn said, "I'm just a lay person" <br /><br />There is no such thing! You're a vital part of your church ;-)Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385729083688529722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74834156789978838242012-02-03T12:19:53.465-08:002012-02-03T12:19:53.465-08:00Carson and Keller have posted their response on TG...Carson and Keller have posted their response on TGC. Not so much a response as it is a primer on the issues. Well written. Heady. Informative. In no way acknowledges or addresses whether errors were made. <br />Sad.CCinTnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16009763520139761873noreply@blogger.com