tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5274740981438557014..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Grow, or crash (Proverbs 19:27)Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71419061449524991712011-08-20T10:50:46.800-07:002011-08-20T10:50:46.800-07:00DJP:
I feel the need to shave my head in penance....<b>DJP:</b><br /><br />I feel the need to shave my head in penance.<br /><br /><i>Mia Culpa</i>Halcyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264274336322086961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84733354852801676192011-08-19T22:05:14.215-07:002011-08-19T22:05:14.215-07:00Amen, Amen and Amen!
“Whoever gives thought to t...Amen, Amen and Amen!<br /><br /><br />“Whoever gives thought to the word will discover good.”(Proverbs 16:20)Tyronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17970123049581654914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18860683825475989932011-08-19T17:24:28.228-07:002011-08-19T17:24:28.228-07:00But the gist of your post is sound. Exercise your ...But the gist of your post is sound. Exercise your faith, or it atrophies.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4107321865502699712011-08-19T15:18:45.527-07:002011-08-19T15:18:45.527-07:00Already anticipated and answered, Johnny. Impossib...Already anticipated and answered, Johnny. Impossible interpretation. Jesus says His sheep will never perish, and they won't (Jn. 10:28).<br /><br />I hesitated in answering Halcyon for fear of opening a diversion. Now closed. Back to the postDJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15420365101139121532011-08-19T14:43:49.461-07:002011-08-19T14:43:49.461-07:00In my view Heb. 6:4ff is definitely referring to t...In my view Heb. 6:4ff is definitely referring to true Christians:<br /><br />These are individuals who have once been enlightened. cf. 2 Cor. 4:3-6. The writer’s only other use of the verb “enlightened,” is Hebrews 10:32, where the reference is to true Christian experience.<br /><br />"Tasted the heavenly gift" relates to initial conversion (cf. John 4:10; Rom. 6:23; James 1:17-18). The effort to evade this conclusion by seeing in the word “tasted” something less than full participation fails—in view of the writer’s own use of this word (Heb. 2:9)— to describe Jesus’ experience of death. One might also compare 1 Peter 2:3, which quotes Psalm 34:8.<br /><br />Those "who have shared in the Holy Spirit." The underlying Greek employs again the word <i>metochoi</i> used in Hebrews 1:9 of the “companions” of the messianic King, and in 3:1, 14 of the Christian readers (and is also used in 12:8). <br /><br />"Those who have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the coming Age." Here the thought naturally applies to converts whose instruction in “the Word of God” had given them a genuine experience of its “goodness” and who likewise had known the reality of miracles. The word rendered “powers” (<i>dynameis</i>) in NIV is the usual one in the New Testament for “miracles” and is an apparent allusion back to the experience mentioned in 2:4. In every way the language fits true Christians. <br /><br /><i>"The effort to see here mere professors of the faith as over against true converts is somewhat forced."</i> (BKC)James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64710671407483569982011-08-19T12:35:42.018-07:002011-08-19T12:35:42.018-07:00DJP:
Sounds good.
In addition to your thoughts, ...<b>DJP:</b><br /><br />Sounds good.<br /><br />In addition to your thoughts, I would say that <i>if</i> it is referencing actual believers, it is in a I Corinthians 3:10-15 sense (the last two verses in the Hebrews passage about the "crop" being burned seems to be similar in meaning to the I Corinthians passage).Halcyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264274336322086961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5253969201693579832011-08-19T12:17:06.322-07:002011-08-19T12:17:06.322-07:00Halcyon/DJP,
When we went over Hebrews in SS, thi...Halcyon/DJP,<br /><br />When we went over Hebrews in SS, this was a source of much discussion and a lot of people differed in opinion as to the intended audience. I feel that this was meant for a whole church, which would have included believers and unbelievers. The unbelievers in the church can partake of the Spirit by being among the congregation, but don't become filled with the Spirit. You can only imagine the discussions we had as we got to chapter 10...<br /><br />Back to Proverbs, it saddens and confounds me when I read through Proverbs and Ecclesiastes because we see what happened in Solomon's life in Kings and Chronicles. That should definitely give the rest of us great pause when we consider how wise Solomon was.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78648173571564567522011-08-19T11:59:48.895-07:002011-08-19T11:59:48.895-07:00My bottom line is that it's virtually an X-ray...My bottom line is that it's virtually an X-ray of Judas. It depicts someone "not far from the kingdom" - but still not in it. Not a loss of salvation (which is a contradiction in terms), but someone well-acquainted with Gospel truths and realities, yet falling short of repentant faith.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77490646851982488882011-08-19T11:40:07.377-07:002011-08-19T11:40:07.377-07:00DJP:
Nice thoughts. One question, though:
The He...<b>DJP:</b><br /><br />Nice thoughts. One question, though:<br /><br />The Hebrews passage that you reference says that it is "impossible" for those who have "tasted the heavenly gift" and "shared in the Holy Spirit" to repent and return after they "fall away".<br /><br />That sounds like the author is equating apostasy to irrevocably losing your salvation. Whay say you? I know that you don't believe that salvation can be lost, but then what do you make of the wording of the passage?Halcyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264274336322086961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68213702763663476292011-08-19T10:20:36.008-07:002011-08-19T10:20:36.008-07:00Look a ballon.....LOL!Look a ballon.....LOL!Joe Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227065467671149033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44835979053523136202011-08-19T08:45:09.502-07:002011-08-19T08:45:09.502-07:00(Off topic, but I'm not a Covenant Theologian....(Off topic, but I'm not a Covenant Theologian...it's just that the web and woof of the relationship God has with His people is through His unconditional, everlasting covenants: a vital truth we would do well to remember, especially during times of difficulty.)Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73753046906206773632011-08-19T08:34:23.747-07:002011-08-19T08:34:23.747-07:00Wow. This lesson is so good, so true, and so timel...Wow. This lesson is so good, so true, and so timely, as I can attest from personal experience. All it takes is to leave off prayer and the Word for <i>even a day</i>—as you (Dan) pointed out, just do <i>nothing</i> instead of <i>something,</i> and just go about our daily business, since there's always tomorrow.<br /><br />Things may seem fine at first, but your eyes are off the Cross, and it's only a matter of time before the stresses and cares and worries of the world get you down, and you've already drifted off the highway. Go on like that for a few days or even weeks (God help us), and pretty soon you're far out in the wilderness.<br /><br />Now it's getting to the point where if I stray off the highway for even a day, I'm spraining my ankle on some rock in the desert—and it's painful.<br /><br />And to switch to another metaphor, Spurgeon's characterization of the Christian walk as climbing a hill of ice is <b><i>stunningly spot on!</i></b> Wow! I'd never seen it presented that way before, but man, did he ever nail it!<br /><br />And praise be to God that though we wander from Him, He is never far from His children, allowing obstacles to cross our path so that we may turn back to Him in repentance, knowing that our sins have been forgiven through the blood-bought covenant of salvation through His Son Jesus Christ, for the sake of His everlasting glory!Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79835461986082502502011-08-19T08:28:21.593-07:002011-08-19T08:28:21.593-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31994093623719581462011-08-19T06:09:25.823-07:002011-08-19T06:09:25.823-07:00Good word this morn Dan. And Charles, if you hear ...Good word this morn Dan. And Charles, if you hear up there pastor. (Just kidding.)<br /><br />Seems there are periods in my life when I slide a bit, and a good brother seems to come along and grab my spiritual foot, and help me to stop sliding, and another brother comes by and helps me chip away at the ice so I can get my footing once more. And perhaps I have helped others as well.<br /><br />I would think the worse kind of sliding is when we think we are still climbing.<br /><br />Have a splendid weekend and Lord's day my brother! Gal. 6:14donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10422894890715401242011-08-19T06:05:56.442-07:002011-08-19T06:05:56.442-07:00A very very providential reminder Dan. I felt my h...A very very providential reminder Dan. I felt my heart sink a little bit when I read the Hebrews warning. Time to head out and do my morning prayers.Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573138499478048502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44612936413734242762011-08-19T04:53:34.557-07:002011-08-19T04:53:34.557-07:00Good post. Thanks for bringing in the Hebrews ref...Good post. Thanks for bringing in the Hebrews reference because people in the church should pay more attention to the exhortations that Hebrews contains. <br /><br />Now let me make use of your advice and get to my daily reading.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.com