tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5375840648418619788..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Sola Scriptura vs. Church TraditionsPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50273954916633874672018-08-15T16:13:06.960-07:002018-08-15T16:13:06.960-07:00Did I miss something? What was the friend's s...Did I miss something? What was the friend's specific question?Callefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08640727935894097988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72836135111907282292018-08-05T04:30:06.601-07:002018-08-05T04:30:06.601-07:00So first: 100% endorse what Phil wrote here, as he...So first: 100% endorse what Phil wrote here, as he wrote it, for the reason he wrote it, to the effect he means to bring it. <br /><br />When I think about this topic, what comes to mind is this:<br /><br />{{ Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. }} <br /><br />The writer of Hebrews, before saying this, makes it clear that he means that all who came in faith before had the same object of faith as those immediately to whom he was writing. That means that there was something they could learn from what those who came before, in the past, learned or should have learned when they were doing what they did "by faith."<br /><br />That means that the rest of us if we have the same faith, should be able to learn something from those who came before us in faith. It is in every way the same principle as learning from those who are in your local church who are also more mature than you, with more miles in faith under their feet than you, who are able to teach you something about the greatness of God and the goodness of God and the love H has for His people.<br /><br />And with that, I'm going to be with God's people in God's house on God's day, and this morning we are going to talk about "fellowship."FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56845861766647771962018-08-03T13:11:57.496-07:002018-08-03T13:11:57.496-07:00My impression from being a part of churches of var...My impression from being a part of churches of various denominations is that the anti-tradition attitude holds vast sway in evangelicalism. I'm referring to what I think is the case with the majority of evangelical churches, i.e. that they use informal liturgy and are "low-church".<br /><br />Of course, since all services and community life in churches must operate, of necessity, by some tradition and liturgy, what they are really doing is practicing traditions that mostly go back to 20th century. Often, it's not even recognized that they're swimming in this current, and if it is, then the rationale for rejecting centuries or millennia of tradition is some shallow seeker-sensitive rationale.<br /><br />I will quibble that Jesus' emphasis is on tradition being the greater danger, given what he said in Matthew 23:2-3 about heeding the Pharisee's traditions overall, but also prophesying in Matthew 21:23,43,45 that their's and the Sanhedrin's authority will be forfeited and given to others due to the corruption and apostasy of their present leadership.<br /><br />Connecting this passage with the Matthew 23 one has the benefit of contradicting the Catholic claim that such authority can never be lost, and with the Mark 7 passage you cited, that not even a Holy Spirit empowered leadership body is infallible on every point (Numbers 11:16-17), but an inspired Scripture is.<br /><br />To summarize all this according to a common saying: Tradition is the living faith of the dead, and traditionism is the dead faith of the living. Jesus taught that the Pharisees and Sanhedrin had both elements at play in their teaching.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11681519372744525851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43227487782043157862018-08-03T07:51:29.405-07:002018-08-03T07:51:29.405-07:00Also the rejection of the Papist/pagan ChristMass ...Also the rejection of the Papist/pagan ChristMass and other unbiblical "holidays".<br />Chris Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10002534191126787408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42447043647513719182018-08-03T07:50:03.929-07:002018-08-03T07:50:03.929-07:00Many of the traditions which have been rejected by...Many of the traditions which have been rejected by many evangelicals, like the rejection of images of Christ, the singing of Psalms and a strong submission to honor the Sabbath have deep Biblical roots.Chris Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10002534191126787408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70973395162972089292018-08-02T22:45:01.722-07:002018-08-02T22:45:01.722-07:00In principle: I agree. I would only add that the w...In principle: I agree. I would only add that the way us Protestants approach Scripture from a <em>theology of the Word</em> is a tradition itself. But that's okay if the tradition starts from the supposition that God has spoken (Deus dixit). Bobby Growhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06831009618873548948noreply@blogger.com