tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post539579761140868982..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Preaching the Good News? Part OnePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4614920719012047742008-01-16T16:42:00.000-08:002008-01-16T16:42:00.000-08:00I'm sticking with mormons!I'm sticking with mormons!pastorbrianculverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07325788116682801754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63019665109146560922008-01-16T16:40:00.000-08:002008-01-16T16:40:00.000-08:00I thought Mormon or Purpose Driven/Willow Creek/Se...I thought Mormon or Purpose Driven/Willow Creek/Seeker Sensitive first thing (hey they may as well be the same thing these days!).terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77924646811468168262008-01-16T10:57:00.000-08:002008-01-16T10:57:00.000-08:00Ok - a lot of comments here i don't have time to r...Ok - a lot of comments here i don't have time to read. My thought is that this is a church that thinks they can reach people they don't know anything about with a statement like this. They have to believe that plenty enough people want a solution to their marital and interpersonal strifes and that attaching the name "Jesus" will get their attention.<BR/><BR/>At this, this church fails to realize that people with difficult relationships more often than not see God as the problem, not the solution. The church also fails to realize that an understanding of our own culpability is more often the problem and the gospel of Christ is the solution. Therefore, it is much more effective, and Biblical, to point out our need for Christ as the solution to our sin rather than focus on subsequent issues.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86699142098552611162008-01-16T10:54:00.000-08:002008-01-16T10:54:00.000-08:00Not having read the other comments I'd say it was ...Not having read the other comments I'd say it was a church that holds a low view of Scripture since Christ promises us persecution in this world if we follow Him, and resolution of conflict in the next.LeeChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540608568274871363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68098412781592448032008-01-16T07:51:00.000-08:002008-01-16T07:51:00.000-08:00REB-Yeah, I have to modify that a bit. I was just ...REB-<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I have to modify that a bit. I was just rereading Matthew and the parable of the tares.<BR/><BR/>You're right.Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76882841561748414432008-01-16T05:09:00.000-08:002008-01-16T05:09:00.000-08:00Strong Tower,I agree that heresy always comes from...Strong Tower,<BR/><BR/>I agree that heresy always comes from within and spreads outward. Our LORD told us about the mustard tree and the woman with leaven, after all. I was thinking of the way the enemy likes to drop the seeds of heresy in every orchard, assuming that a local church can be likened to a miniature of the larger tree.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11160398377458119212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67048688657893339782008-01-16T05:05:00.000-08:002008-01-16T05:05:00.000-08:00Clay — I don't have spare copies, sorry. I bet you...<B>Clay</B> — I don't have spare copies, sorry. I bet you could get one even at the Christian trinket store in Elk Grove, or Borders; or just order one from online and read over someone's shoulder until then.<BR/><BR/>Any man's welcome; just come anyway!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11675297601719418102008-01-15T23:43:00.000-08:002008-01-15T23:43:00.000-08:00It sounds either Mormon or part of the Sensitive-t...It sounds either Mormon or part of the Sensitive-to-Please-Unbelief Movement. I'm not real familiar with Mormon theology first hand, but from what James White says, neither are caring much about defining what they believe as long as they do it in the name of Jesus Christ.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233692229059442432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78492031240028541672008-01-15T23:32:00.000-08:002008-01-15T23:32:00.000-08:00Just seems like a man-centered rather than a Chris...Just seems like a man-centered rather than a Christ-centered church, much like most "evangelical" churches in America today. <BR/><BR/>--RASR.A. Servinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06003967208474495648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59671904372077743822008-01-15T19:34:00.000-08:002008-01-15T19:34:00.000-08:00Dan, It sounds like moron, I mean Mormon to me.P.s...Dan, <BR/><BR/>It sounds like moron, I mean Mormon to me.<BR/><BR/>P.s. Do you have any more of the men's bible study books? I am interested in attending!ChosenClayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05223903620505081145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-268057006343523952008-01-15T18:34:00.000-08:002008-01-15T18:34:00.000-08:00james kime: the doulos is wrong. "Narsil" was the ...james kime: <I>the doulos is wrong. "Narsil" was the sword that was shattered and reforged into "Anduril".</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, that was what I meant. Of course Narsil was the original, which was then reforged and christened Anduril. I love the imagery that Tolkien included here - the King's sword, broken in battle to defeat the ultimate evil, then resurrected as the instrument of final victory over the evil one. Sound allegorically familiar?<BR/><BR/>Regarding the real point of the post - I go back to a quote from Francis Schaffer: <I>"Never present the Gospel as helpful."</I> If we make the focus of faith in Christ as something helpful, useful, therapeutic, etc, we simply represent Him as being an option to choose from among many others to help me deal with my problems and live a better life. Rather than truly presenting faith in Christ as the imperative that the Gospel really is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84185850705278181272008-01-15T17:29:00.000-08:002008-01-15T17:29:00.000-08:00Given Dan's propensity for messin', I'm beginning ...Given Dan's propensity for messin', I'm beginning to think Chris is on the right track - context is everything (and a favorite matchbox of Pyros everywhere). But given that his question concerned the church that would publish the statement, and not the statement itsself, I'm thinking it's probably a local evanjellyfish church and he's going to use it to expand on Phil's post yesterday. There's that context thing again....Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1471321279120392562008-01-15T17:09:00.000-08:002008-01-15T17:09:00.000-08:00My first impression of the object Dan is holding i...My first impression of the object Dan is holding in that pic was the same one as Maritus Imperfectus': I thought Dan was lounging by a pool table in his library. If you look closely, one of the titles behind him is "How Should We Then Play Pool?," and another is "Civitatis Saloni Billiardi." (With deference to Augustine and Dr. Schaeffer.)Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32095406645813560842008-01-15T16:15:00.000-08:002008-01-15T16:15:00.000-08:00I have a feeling that we will be shocked when we l...I have a feeling that we will be shocked when we learn who it is. Otherwise I'm not sure of the purpose of the post. As others have noted, it is a typical message for many evangelical churches.Many are closer to Joel Osteen than they realize. So who is it?Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18371249861103718503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6283760997001707932008-01-15T16:14:00.000-08:002008-01-15T16:14:00.000-08:00the doulos is wrong. "Narsil" was the sword that ...the doulos is wrong. "Narsil" was the sword that was shattered and reforged into "Anduril".<BR/><BR/>I have the "Narsil" replica in my library.<BR/><BR/>Didn't Paul say something in 1 Cor. 7 about faith in Jesus possibly costing you your marriage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1682182072577766102008-01-15T15:23:00.000-08:002008-01-15T15:23:00.000-08:00Solameanie: I don't think it would be possible to ...<I>Solameanie:</I> I don't think it would be possible to actually swim the Tiber while carrying a sword like Anduril or Glamdring. And don't start a fight with guys with swords unless you have one too.<BR/><BR/><I>DJP:</I> come on out to Nebraska sometime, and bring your foe-hammer. We'll meet on the field of honor and cross blades for glory. Or... we could just hang out and talk about theology and stuff and compare swords. Either way, I'm cool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46182204804697030542008-01-15T14:05:00.000-08:002008-01-15T14:05:00.000-08:00Although, just maybe, we (me included) get a littl...Although, just maybe, we (me included) get a little too smug over how the gospel isn't primarily intended to correct family and life issues...that we forget (as Frank insinuated way earlier) that it really does do those things as well.<BR/>I mean, if the gospel doesn't make me a better husband and father in addition to it's primary work of saving my soul, thereby improving my family life...is it really the gospel?<BR/><BR/>So the excerpt Dan posted could equally be a part of a completely valid and accurate gospel presentation from a doctrinally orthodox/prax church as part of an outreach to their community...Maybe??Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59379634671225637762008-01-15T14:03:00.000-08:002008-01-15T14:03:00.000-08:00I could have told you it was the Mormon Church. I ...I could have told you it was the Mormon Church. I was in the church for over three years.<BR/><BR/>hey, you're not going to baptize dead people are you??<BR/><BR/>classic movie scene...<BR/>"I see dead people." (sixth sense)<BR/>classic mormon movie scene...<BR/>"I see dead people. Hey kid, you are of age, let's baptize them!!"pastorbrianculverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07325788116682801754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57862008940524294002008-01-15T13:58:00.000-08:002008-01-15T13:58:00.000-08:00Didn't you miss a bit out?Doesn't it say in small ...Didn't you miss a bit out?<BR/><BR/>Doesn't it say in small letters underneath with an asterisk<BR/><BR/><I>'Not a guarantee'</I>Jonathan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12341478626195362383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19412369672934923952008-01-15T13:44:00.000-08:002008-01-15T13:44:00.000-08:00Oh, dear. The Doulos and Dan have Lord of the Ring...Oh, dear. <BR/><BR/>The Doulos and Dan have Lord of the Rings swords in their collection. They've been reading Tolkien, an avowed Roman Catholic. <BR/><BR/>Dan and the Doulos are going home to Rome. I am wearing sackcloth and ashes. <BR/><BR/>(Joel snickers loudly up the sleeve of his cardigan sweater).<BR/><BR/>I decided to post that joke as a good natured guffaw at the silliness of how baseless assumptions get started. I could explain myself even farther, but that might get a fight started.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45885896039528745622008-01-15T12:41:00.000-08:002008-01-15T12:41:00.000-08:00Mine is Glamdring!Those are some cool replicas, ar...Mine is Glamdring!<BR/><BR/>Those are some cool replicas, aren't they?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8449598668873134682008-01-15T12:14:00.001-08:002008-01-15T12:14:00.001-08:00BTW, I now feel a new sense of oneness with Dan, s...BTW, I now feel a new sense of oneness with Dan, since I too have a sword in my office. It's a replica of Anduril (you know, the blade that was broken, reforged?) from LOTR. Hand-and-a-half, a little over 4 ft long. I even take it off the wall now and then to play with. Nobody has been injured up to this point. Also works well to get students attention when teaching Sunday School classes on spiritual warfare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89676706523300676032008-01-15T12:14:00.000-08:002008-01-15T12:14:00.000-08:00Promise KeepersUnited Church of CHristONA covenant...Promise Keepers<BR/><BR/>United Church of CHrist<BR/><BR/>ONA covenant churches that are welcoming and safe communities for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Christians.<BR/><BR/>???4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89666060068932291802008-01-15T12:09:00.000-08:002008-01-15T12:09:00.000-08:00Yeah as long as it KJV-Tempered, for durability an...Yeah as long as it KJV-<BR/><BR/>Tempered, for durability and edge.Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75045312395497823902008-01-15T12:02:00.000-08:002008-01-15T12:02:00.000-08:00New Evangelical Reformed Druids?(NERDs)New Evangelical Reformed Druids?<BR/>(NERDs)Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10596065269535476259noreply@blogger.com