tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5406273394717766716..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Are you sure you want a wife who...?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28299299006142636682011-05-14T15:44:29.599-07:002011-05-14T15:44:29.599-07:00Okay, this post is four months old at the writing ...Okay, this post is four months old at the writing of this comment and we're at 45 comments and counting so who knows if anyone will even read this...but...to the author- nothing I've ever read has made me want to learn the art of submission more than this post. (Yes, I have a Bible. That doesn't mean I always understand it.) I read the post for wives as well. They'll be getting a matching set of links on my blog today. Keep up the good work.Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10004651720352605486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63126862141602485842011-01-22T18:06:51.425-08:002011-01-22T18:06:51.425-08:00Submission ? lol! I love my wife and I need Gods f...Submission ? lol! I love my wife and I need Gods forgivness everyday. Being married to a woman 44 yrs., that seems to most pastors we have went to for marital counseling as unsaved.Yes i do feel sorry for myself also. I still keep plowing on like the unequal yoked oxen. Church is tommorrow maybe then she'll be savedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16814568223525412932011-01-22T06:20:06.114-08:002011-01-22T06:20:06.114-08:00@ Rob
I think you may have a point. I think head ...@ Rob<br /><br />I think you may have a point. I think head coverings is an issue that the Church will need to corporately reconsider at some point to avoid being open to the charge of 'pick and choose' Christianity. I can't see it happening until God raises up a 'deliverer for Israel' so to speak.<br /><br />The treatment of this issue in RBMW is good but perhaps not convincing to many. <br /><br />In the meanwhile, here in the UK I am aware of several denominations that still practice it:<br /><br />Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland<br />Free Church Continuing<br />Brethren<br />Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster<br />Strict Baptist (I think)<br /><br />There may be more but that is what I know of. It has been very interesting to go along to these churches to observe their practice. Being from an Arminian/Charismatic/Egalitarian background myself I have never seen it practised before. <br /><br />I think R.C. Sproul is the only one amongst the current popular Reformed crew who believes in the practise.<br /><br />Anyway, an interesting topic we all need to think about...Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242793531954844979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28778714833008082722011-01-21T22:20:11.991-08:002011-01-21T22:20:11.991-08:00Men can't be figured out!? Us men are far too...Men can't be figured out!? Us men are far too easily figured out.<br /><br />Unless you've cultivated that elusive "mystery man" mystique....Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61960493058330979992011-01-21T19:58:12.807-08:002011-01-21T19:58:12.807-08:00(And I'll tell you a secret, men: it's a h...<i>(And I'll tell you a secret, men: it's a huge myth that she can't be figured out. She can. You just have to go do your homework like you were back in school. Just let her openly keep a certain air of mystery once you get her figured out and you'll do alright.)</i><br /><br />So true! Same thing for women who say men can't be figured out. :)~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80641434612513315702011-01-21T19:56:29.509-08:002011-01-21T19:56:29.509-08:00Brother: get thee a wife! Maybe that one lost her ...<i>Brother: get thee a wife! Maybe that one lost her place in line, but there are others, no? The bull pen is no place for the likes of you. :-)<br /><br />(word verification: messi. Don't you know it!)</i><br /><br />Lol! I'm workin' on it!~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87986654825681587182011-01-21T19:50:38.471-08:002011-01-21T19:50:38.471-08:00I meant, He uses the most improbable means sometim...I meant, He uses the most improbable means <i>sometimes</i> to do His work.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43743304655987907102011-01-21T19:50:09.655-08:002011-01-21T19:50:09.655-08:00If I can add a twist to this, God uses the most im...If I can add a twist to this, God uses the most improbable means somehow to do His work.<br /><br />It was my beloved wife's idea (when we were both non-believers) to start going to our current church.<br /><br />Being a skeptical agnostic, I was ambivalent about going to an <i>Evangelical</i> church (horrors!), but I decided to go along with her.<br /><br />Providentially, within a couple of months, our senior pastor started a series on Romans 9 to 11. Being Jewish, I was apprehensive but curious.<br /><br />Four days after he finished preaching through to 11:36, I confessed Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27001372885297013472011-01-21T19:03:04.351-08:002011-01-21T19:03:04.351-08:00Come on, Trog. Confess! You'll feel better.Come on, Trog. Confess! You'll feel better.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70181310794514206102011-01-21T18:59:54.222-08:002011-01-21T18:59:54.222-08:00More serious answer: the reason I'm not confes...More serious answer: the reason I'm not confessing to anything on this is that inverted roles is not now, nor has it really ever been, an issue in our marriage. My wife is truly an amazing model of what a godly woman should be, and accepting the submission/leadership roles is not a particularly big struggle for us. Since much of the article's thrust is "what will you do if/when you get to lead in your mawwiage?", and my thoughts on that are more how I would advise <i>others</i> I know who seriously struggle with this, I didn't chime in. I don't like commenting when it's about problems those other people have, not about personal conviction.<br /><br />Now where does conviction come in for me? Questioning the areas that, as I lead our mawwiage, I fall short in. Much more than that are fears about what kind of parent I am - how well will I raise our children? But that's a different article that I'm sure we'll get hammered with soon enough.<br /><br />For now, I didn't feel the need to chime in about my complaining about our difficult marriage, because frankly it's flat-out <i>awesome</i>.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25461630269521049432011-01-21T18:43:17.291-08:002011-01-21T18:43:17.291-08:00Jim - ...it's amazing the number of women conf...Jim - <i>...it's amazing the number of women confessing their conviction from the last post versus the lack of men confessing the same on this one</i><br /><br />I think that's a fair point and a good question. I don't have an answer.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35974563837567434952011-01-21T18:22:33.114-08:002011-01-21T18:22:33.114-08:00"As for this article, it's amazing the nu..."As for this article, it's amazing the number of women confessing their conviction from the last post versus the lack of men confessing the same on this one. I wonder if poor leadership is a more subversive sin."<br /><br />Perhaps the non-leading men couldn't get permission to post a comment on this one.<br /><br />Or maybe women just talk more.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28249046474129189692011-01-21T14:30:13.855-08:002011-01-21T14:30:13.855-08:00~Mark,
I was where you are, brother. I thank God n...~Mark,<br />I was where you are, brother. I thank God now that He used that godly young lady to help straighten me out and prepare me for the woman He had prepared for me. And I wouldn't have picked her, but God knew what He was doing and provided a great wife. It will happen in His time.<br /><br />As for this article, it's amazing the number of women confessing their conviction from the last post versus the lack of men confessing the same on this one. I wonder if poor leadership is a more subversive sin. I know too many marriages where the husband has abdicated leadership in order to avoid weathering responsibility for problems and failures. I can't say the work is always fun, but I spend time and effort studying my wife and employing resources to grow her spiritually and perpetuate the passion in our marriage. However, the results are worth every bit I can put into it.<br /><br />I hear some men talk and I know that they just don't know what to do. I hear other men talk and can tell that they know what to do, but they simply won't do it. The men who have the happiest marriages I see know what to do, roll up their sleeves and put the work needed in the leadership of their families. I'm not a great leader and I can do this, so I know that every man can.<br /><br />I'm a production controller in a factory. The position is the number two position in the plant. I run the place when the boss in away. I study processes closely so that I can release orders meaningfully and I study the team leaders so that I know how to get them to accomplish what they need to accomplish. It's no different as a husband in a marriage. There are daily goals, but the ultimate goal is to keep the place running effectively and never close the doors. In a marriage, this means that the focus is on keeping a finely balanced process in our continual relationship, remembering to complete the daily goals along the way.<br /><br />(And I'll tell you a secret, men: it's a huge myth that she can't be figured out. She can. You just have to go do your homework like you were back in school. Just let her openly keep a certain air of mystery once you get her figured out and you'll do alright.)Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24311168798738446612011-01-21T14:01:30.656-08:002011-01-21T14:01:30.656-08:00Thanks, Dan.
This feels like when I've been a...Thanks, Dan. <br />This feels like when I've been afraid to pray for repentance, because I knew that God would grant it to me... and then I'd have to face the consequences of my sins. (I hope that sentence made sense.) <br /><br />Still working on that. I appreciate the pointer in the Right Direction.Tom Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439152487935038636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18122714862807457472011-01-20T21:03:03.878-08:002011-01-20T21:03:03.878-08:00Mark (la Roi):
You said some curious things. You ...Mark (la Roi):<br />You said some curious things. You are single. You want to be married. Nearly 20 years ago, (no doubt as a young Christian man) you knew/recognized those virtues you so beautifully described. But "...it was a scary feeling." <br /><br />You are STILL single? <br /><br />Brother: get thee a wife! Maybe that one lost her place in line, but there are others, no? The bull pen is no place for the likes of you. :-)<br /><br />(word verification: messi. Don't you know it!)Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31711779647222747372011-01-20T20:32:37.274-08:002011-01-20T20:32:37.274-08:001Peter 3:7
Remember she is a “heir” the same as yo...1Peter 3:7<br />Remember she is a “heir” the same as you. She is as loved by God as you. Christ paid the same price for your salvation as he paid for yours. She has exactly the same status in Christ as you, only with a different role. <br /><br />So always remember with who’s daughter your messing with. I suspect He is a protective father.Thomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90926560812496595142011-01-20T19:44:56.222-08:002011-01-20T19:44:56.222-08:00Before my wife and I got married the church we wer...Before my wife and I got married the church we were attending had an influx of young couples getting married. Our pastor made it mandatory those wanting him to conduct their wedding to watch a film series by John MacArthur on marriage.<br /><br />I'm not sure if it was our pastor or John MacArthur who stated that in order for a man to lead he must have a follower.<br /><br />While we have pretty much quoted that to one another for the past 18 years, well mostly me quoting that, we have pretty much lived by that. But I have learned that although the locomotive is powered by the front engine, it is the caboose that houses the conductor.philnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393311811604119321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30488648248130168362011-01-20T19:05:16.402-08:002011-01-20T19:05:16.402-08:00Dan, you wrote:
No, it's Eric affirming Jesus...Dan, you wrote:<br /><br />No, it's Eric affirming Jesus' word to us through the apostles. Find me ONE apostle saying "Do this -- but of course you can't and never will, but you know I have to say this stuff, and I'm really not asking that you even seek God's grace to try, because we all know that's a pointless waste of time. Don't mind me."<br /><br />This so put into focus something our former pastor once said about obeying the Mosaic Law: "I keep trying, and failing, to obey the commandments. And I'm going to keep trying and failing to obey them for the rest of my life." He said this in a triumphant way, as if we were to be encouraged by it. Thank God he's our FORMER Pastor. But I pity the people he's preaching to now.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42784197464615458182011-01-20T14:39:11.364-08:002011-01-20T14:39:11.364-08:00I don't think the text necessarily states that...I don't think the text necessarily states that it needs to be a veil, but some sort of covering to the head (veil/shawl/hat/etc). Maybe it is a little off-topic, but at the same time when I read the language of I Cor. 11, particularly sections like v.10 which speak of "a symbol of authority", it seems to correspond with the general topic of what the Bible says specifically about how a woman displays submissive behavior in the church and to her husband.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068196575763786944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36228703485510817852011-01-20T14:02:15.252-08:002011-01-20T14:02:15.252-08:00Off-topic. But it's probably something to do w...Off-topic. But it's probably something to do with the fact that nothing in the Bible says that women should wear veils.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46084544448175636512011-01-20T13:57:48.448-08:002011-01-20T13:57:48.448-08:00Whenever I read about the topic of submissive wome...Whenever I read about the topic of submissive women/leading husbands in the church, it always makes me wonder why the church isn't a sea of women wearing head-coverings on any given Sunday as an outward sign of submission to their husbands? <br />This is an instruction of the Apostle Paul in I Cor. 11 tied back to the Creation order, right? So wouldn't this be considered a genuine expression of submission of a wife to a husband seen exercised in the church body? Or is it just easier to contextually dismiss this one because its inconvenient and "you don't have to be submissive to that particular instruction if you don't want to, dear."Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068196575763786944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20379527291928561142011-01-20T11:37:22.898-08:002011-01-20T11:37:22.898-08:00"If I ever marry again I will hew an obedient..."If I ever marry again I will hew an obedient wife out of stone."<br /><br />Said by?Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64522852641796169882011-01-20T11:17:27.565-08:002011-01-20T11:17:27.565-08:00P.S.: The "secret" for me was simply dev...P.S.: The "secret" for me was simply developing a more diligent prayer life. Not by praying longer or more ornate prayers, nor by praying down a laundry list of needs (although we are to bring our needs and those of others before God), but by simply going to the mercy seat, and regularly repenting for my sins on the basis of the blood of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />I agree with you in the sense that it is out of the endless, superabundant fount of God's forgiveness, His grace and mercy, His covenantal love—all secured by Jesus Christ—that flows our sanctification.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72112002245878926392011-01-20T11:07:56.473-08:002011-01-20T11:07:56.473-08:00Terriergal:
Sanctification is work. The work doe...Terriergal:<br /><br />Sanctification <i>is</i> work. The work doesn't save us, and it also doesn't give us brownie points for being "good Christians."<br /><br />It is a synergistic work between us redeemed sinners and our Holy, just, loving, and righteous God, founded on the person and work of Christ, and working especially in us through the indwelling Holy Spirit.<br /><br />We cannot do it perfectly, and we (all of us) to stumble in sin every single day. And so we must turn back to the Cross of Christ every single day—not in penance or to earn God's favour, but to seek and rely upon His grace.<br /><br />I took the passive approach to sanctificiation for several years, thinking that working at it would be works righteousness and legalism. I figured I had all the doctrine right, and that was the most important thing. I was waiting for some magical, mythical moment, when I would just wake up and it would all come naturally, and I would be sanctified (more or less).<br /><br />As it happens, it's taken God to lead me through trials of testing and disciplining to force me to grow in Christ and grow in my walk with Christ, and learn that it is a synergistic effort. If I do it on my own, that's the sin of self-reliance; but He won't let us just sit back on our posteriors, either.<br /><br />I still sin every day (given the way in which Jesus Christ showed us how practically everything we do is tainted by sin, in His Sermon on the Mount), but I'm convicted daily and growing daily, by His grace.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32776571138788731242011-01-20T09:40:23.597-08:002011-01-20T09:40:23.597-08:00Sarah, it all comes down to whether we really, rea...Sarah, it all comes down to whether we really, really will trust and obey, doesn't it? Almost 38 years on this road, and I keep having to learn that one over and over and over and over....DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com