tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5622038745206126704..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: BoundariesPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11022156876288828262012-03-30T20:21:53.417-07:002012-03-30T20:21:53.417-07:00Dear Brother,
I appreciate your thoughts on the...Dear Brother,<br /> I appreciate your thoughts on the topic and thank you for them. What happens when the Elders of a congregation give someone with this "no boundaries" type of thinking free reign among the people of their congregation? What if ideas for Church growth and modernization have them spellbound. What if they have been faithful to the Word for years and yet only a small number gathers on the Lord's day still. And though they haven't compromised the Word from the pulpit, in an act of desperation they decide to welcome this concept of liberality at least long enough to see if it will bring people in. My question is this; Is it, in your opinion, the role of the Elders to choose this kind of experiment or should they be obligated to present these ideas and changes to the body for approval? I read in the word of God that the charge to the Elders is to protect the doctrine of the Church and prevent the entrance of wolves among the sheep, to pray for the souls of those they have been entrusted with, and to preach the unadulterated word of God to them.Is it possible for them to presume to take on more than that? Or am I being too regulative? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. <br />Thanks,ebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11165133621465826785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18654685845317431762012-03-25T08:49:55.559-07:002012-03-25T08:49:55.559-07:00Excellent sound thoughts, Thank you.Excellent sound thoughts, Thank you.2OFUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03781799211969136411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34750078964432099832012-03-25T03:37:00.191-07:002012-03-25T03:37:00.191-07:00The Word of God is truly very clear on boundaries....The Word of God is truly very clear on boundaries...The boundary is the Word...Paul warned the Ephesus brethren that men would rise up among them and draw away disciples after them...Draw them away from what? The "Whole Counsel Of God" that Paul left with the brethren over a 3 year period...Boundary Definition - If it's not in the Word, stay away from it...Matthew 24:24 is being fulfilled in our day...<br /><br />Acts 20:27-31 -<br /><br />For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.Corkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04641484167389147605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42114831751776914222012-03-24T20:52:21.568-07:002012-03-24T20:52:21.568-07:00I was actually thinking upon the same thing that y...I was actually thinking upon the same thing that you just wrote about. I,m tired of the things the church tolerates. What would the puritans say in this matter. I pray that we would have men that would have a puritan mindset, just like Phil johnson, and not tolerate the foolishness that goes on in churches today. We need to get a backbone and be tough when we have to be tough.chris goddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10159970978574306456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79105594652828085302012-03-24T10:09:42.643-07:002012-03-24T10:09:42.643-07:00Trogdor: I hope you don't mind. I posted your ...Trogdor: I hope you don't mind. I posted your comment as a facebook status.Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09698106846102699778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6212957583806772432012-03-24T05:38:19.918-07:002012-03-24T05:38:19.918-07:00You're welcome, Mary Elizabeth; am glad you fo...You're welcome, Mary Elizabeth; am glad you found the articles you were remembering(and thanks for sharing). The GTY site <i>is</i> a blessing; am adjusting to the blog change. :-) <br /><br />Grateful for the helpful and thorough, as always, teaching, Phil!J♥Yce Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974221921014132431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67193817337543408932012-03-23T20:46:56.257-07:002012-03-23T20:46:56.257-07:00The complete lecture is WELL worth your time. I&#...The complete lecture is WELL worth your time. I've listened to it 3 times.Caleb Kolstadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16430229005942296570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13484879629153595682012-03-23T18:39:22.746-07:002012-03-23T18:39:22.746-07:00Humble: Lowly; modest; meek; submissive; opposed t...Humble: Lowly; modest; meek; submissive; opposed to proud,haughty, arrogant or assuming. In an evangelical sense, having a low opinion of one's self, and a deep sense of unworthiness in the sight of God.<br /><br />Orthodoxy: Soundness of faith; a belief in the genuine doctrines taught in the Scriptures.<br />Above definitions from the 1828 Noah Webster Dictionary.<br /><br />Humble Orthodoxy: God is right (as revealed in the Scriptures). I am wrong.<br /><br />Great post Phil!James Joycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983848193844746369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85290371420879419462012-03-23T15:44:34.543-07:002012-03-23T15:44:34.543-07:00After reading a blog post by someone whose "m...After reading a blog post by someone whose "ministry" is to "build bridges" between evangelicals and the gay community, this post refreshed me. Thanks for helping clarify why this person is off-base.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11367012840719617546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91832564833557709662012-03-23T13:31:26.502-07:002012-03-23T13:31:26.502-07:00"Open defiance of the commands of the soverei..."Open defiance of the commands of the sovereign Lord of all, pretending he is an equal to be negotiated with rather than God to be obeyed."-trog<br /><br />Sounds like Simon Peter, don't it. <br /><br />When Jesus says No, then no is the best possible, and only genuine way to go. But His grace for grace always amazes me. And I am growing, as peter surely grew. It's all about the Holy Spirit, and not a "spirit of bondage" isn't it.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89535245606634641202012-03-23T13:20:44.380-07:002012-03-23T13:20:44.380-07:00Actual Humble Orthodoxy: Aligning our thoughts to ...Actual Humble Orthodoxy: Aligning our thoughts to God's Word, because He's God and we're not. Understanding that what God says is necessarily true and what God commands is necessarily binding, and acting accordingly.<br /><br />Humble Orthodoxy, Popular Version: Arrogantly declaring that God's Word cannot be understood, and therefore cannot overrule the perverse thoughts and whims of petulant creatures. Open defiance of the commands of the sovereign Lord of all, pretending he is an equal to be negotiated with rather than God to be obeyed. Taking every opportunity to proclaim that our rebellion is a sign of true humility.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75541928966846693212012-03-23T12:01:25.219-07:002012-03-23T12:01:25.219-07:00Brandon, seeing their fruit lets us know if they l...Brandon, seeing their fruit lets us know if they likely entered through the door or jumped over the fence.<br /><br />FYI, to many people humble orthodoxy = generous orthodoxy = MacLaren theology.mikebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06947509425403456046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17898799824776655032012-03-23T11:50:45.425-07:002012-03-23T11:50:45.425-07:00Joyce Burrows: "Dear Mary Elizabeth Tyler, is...Joyce Burrows: "Dear Mary Elizabeth Tyler, is the following what you are referencing?<br /><br />The Vulnerable Church?<br /><br />No, Joyce, but I did find the articles. They are at gty.org, dated March 14th and 17th, 2010. The title of the article is Fundamental Doctrine, Says Who? <br /><br />I do not know if John MacArthur wrote the articles, or if one of the admins did. All the men who used to write for that blog were very gifted writers. I miss that blog so much. :(<br /><br />Thanks for asking. :)Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1521015707702818692012-03-23T09:01:58.203-07:002012-03-23T09:01:58.203-07:00Is that a sheep-dog or a wolf playing leap-frog?Is that a sheep-dog or a wolf playing leap-frog?olan stricklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05345193051857763038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61587705359345735362012-03-23T08:16:47.850-07:002012-03-23T08:16:47.850-07:00I just finished listening to the message and it di...I just finished listening to the message and it did NOT seem to really be an hour and 20 minutes in length! It was that engaging. <br /><br />The issue of mixing the metaphors of the wheat & tares with the sheep and the wolves got me thinking. Might a better way for us to look at it be sheep, <i> goats</i> and wolves? The goats might find their way into the flock and cause trouble, the Good Shepherd will one day separate the sheep from the goats, but the wolf is not to be tolerated at all. <br /><br />We sheep might not recognize the difference in general between a sheep and a goat, but we sure better know a wolf when we see one. And pastor/shepherds even more so.Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87494336238042509472012-03-23T08:09:33.622-07:002012-03-23T08:09:33.622-07:00Hey you are being rigid about your rigidity!
Well...Hey you are being rigid about your rigidity!<br /><br />Well someone had to say it.Bill Honsbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04836300411894206079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8798945877691729332012-03-23T07:39:41.089-07:002012-03-23T07:39:41.089-07:00Kerry James Allen -- clearly we were thinking the...Kerry James Allen -- clearly we were thinking the same thing. My question was more rhetorical. :)Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10846790306119108655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6195358957343054762012-03-23T06:57:19.517-07:002012-03-23T06:57:19.517-07:00Dear Mary Elizabeth Tyler, is the following what y...<i><b>Dear Mary Elizabeth Tyler</b></i>, is the following what you are referencing?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gty.org/blog/b100212" rel="nofollow">The Vulnerable Church</a><br /><br />:-)J♥Yce Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974221921014132431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32238477042745437372012-03-23T06:42:09.610-07:002012-03-23T06:42:09.610-07:00Phil: wasn't Gen. 3 a "boundary" iss...Phil: wasn't Gen. 3 a "boundary" issue?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73860186580426751452012-03-23T06:33:54.872-07:002012-03-23T06:33:54.872-07:00Oh-oh. Somebody is going to wake a sleeping sensei...Oh-oh. Somebody is going to wake a sleeping sensei at the dojo in Houston...Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39484910840098554672012-03-23T06:19:31.752-07:002012-03-23T06:19:31.752-07:00Sometimes I wonder if you and the others here at P...Sometimes I wonder if you and the others here at Pyro would be as strident and short if you were seeking to communicate these truths to a congregant instead of the world wide web...<br /><br />For example, I can't see the Sensei doing a "Next" segment with one of his congregants who's struggling with a particular question. "Figure it out on your own... Relisten to last Sunday's sermon because I can't be bothered with you if you don't get it." etc.<br /><br />TomTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10934379903548711286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69163167659059577792012-03-23T06:08:45.583-07:002012-03-23T06:08:45.583-07:00Boundaries are good. The best at setting boundari...Boundaries are good. The best at setting boundaries were the Pharisees. The Pharisees are the example we should follow.<br /><br />Following boundaries established by Jesus is good. Following boundaries established by modern day Pharisees is terrible. Arguably worse than no boundaries, at least based on the amount of time the Lord spent on the topic.<br /><br />justsayinDavid A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91753769108756253952012-03-23T06:07:22.156-07:002012-03-23T06:07:22.156-07:00The Church finds the greatest and most joyous libe...The Church finds the greatest and most joyous liberty when we know the truth, and trust completely in the doctrines of the Holy Bible.God's Word sets us apart and sets us free.<br /><br />Thanks for always sharing the truth here: TeamPyro Three Amigos.<br /><br />Have a terrific Lord's Day in worship. And may the Spirit of Christ be full upn us all as we seek His righteousness.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72710770064367277122012-03-23T06:02:47.836-07:002012-03-23T06:02:47.836-07:00Phil is an example of "humble orthodoxy"...Phil is an example of "humble orthodoxy" but not by the re-definition of what that is by those who are frightened out of their minds by certainty. "...if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?" 1 Corinthians 14:8Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76599986302332089472012-03-23T05:47:21.459-07:002012-03-23T05:47:21.459-07:00The gurus of church-growth and guardians of postmo...The gurus of church-growth and guardians of postmodern values are pitting grace against truth to remove all boundaries that hinder their ecumenical agenda. They do not make the connection between grace and truth (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/John+1%3A14/" rel="nofollow">John 1:14</a>) and set grace as superior. Then they can paint the one that loves truth (<a href="http://www.esvbible.org/search/2+Thessalonians+2%3A10/" rel="nofollow">2 Thessalonians 2:10</a>) in the light of an unloving Pharisee - i.e. orthodox without humility.olan stricklandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05345193051857763038noreply@blogger.com