tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post6019163569601743555..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Some Thoughts on Guns and YouTube Scoldings as Parenting ToolsPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5654707841728513442012-02-14T10:59:00.610-08:002012-02-14T10:59:00.610-08:00As a father of 4 daughters,all grown.and 11 grandc...As a father of 4 daughters,all grown.and 11 grandchildren,3 GGchildren.I agree with you phil.I have taken similar action as far as "overkill" in disciple. But you are absolutely right. Can you Imagine Jesus making a youtube of the encounter with the woman at the well.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3221862026576486892012-02-14T06:44:16.026-08:002012-02-14T06:44:16.026-08:00Juggle - no.
Although those who comment on a part...Juggle - no.<br /><br />Although those who comment on a particular post on a particular blog should comment thoughtfully on the contents of that post.<br /><br />They also should read the comments that precede theirs — <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2012/02/some-thoughts-on-guns-and-youtube.html?showComment=1329016533395#c6759844776034038180" rel="nofollow">like, for instance, this one</a>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26087012684406458312012-02-14T06:40:13.087-08:002012-02-14T06:40:13.087-08:00Because a bad child ALWAYS means a bad father, rig...Because a bad child ALWAYS means a bad father, right?<br /><br />Like with Adam?<br /><br />(Oops.)DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35469489500546785532012-02-14T06:40:06.820-08:002012-02-14T06:40:06.820-08:00I'm not sure anything needed to be said here, ...I'm not sure anything needed to be said here, should Christians comment on everything that happens in the World ?Juggle for Jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03444806046689459242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31565654040600474902012-02-14T06:38:46.627-08:002012-02-14T06:38:46.627-08:00It is obvious from the video that the father has m...It is obvious from the video that the father has missed most of his opportunities and responsibilities to teach his daughter when she was 1 - 13 years old. The behaviors she exhibited do not sprout over night. His frustration is understandable, his actions not so good. Even if vicariously enjoyable.Stuart Brogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05293983517209519257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34636146180122621612012-02-13T15:13:47.294-08:002012-02-13T15:13:47.294-08:00Chris Hart, re: "pen and sword": very go...Chris Hart, re: "pen and sword": very good. I don't see the pen any different than the tongue with regard to the Biblical admonitions to control it.<br /><br />Violence to an object is different than violence to a person. Did Jesus respond sinfully when He overturned the tables of the money changers in the temple? I would say that was a godly and manly thing to do.<br /><br />Did this man handle the situation well? I don't think I would have to have posted a video with all the ungodly things on it. The whole cussing thing reminds me of Ralphie from <i>A Christmas Story</i> dropping the F-bomb on his dad - the same one he learned it from. Our children inherit their sin nature from Adam through us, but we too often also teach them how to use it.<br /><br />It's a godly man who can teach them how to repent of it.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21860444824261652272012-02-13T14:13:47.915-08:002012-02-13T14:13:47.915-08:00@yankeegospelgirl:
Good call.
http://www.wsoctv....@yankeegospelgirl:<br /><br />Good call.<br /><br />http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/youtube-dad-who-shot-daughters-laptop-gets-visit-a/nHbcR/Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91871511945988271492012-02-13T12:51:49.286-08:002012-02-13T12:51:49.286-08:00The father displayed complete control and was nowh...The father displayed complete control and was nowhere near an emotional state of concern. I appreciate the symbolism in the video. The laptop is the pen, the gun is the sword. The daughter wrote this on some costly parchment paper provided by her father and posted it on a building in the public square. The father hears of this public display of tarnishing his name, retrieved his sword, bumped his way through the crowd and grabbed the paper to slice it down the middle. As he walks away, the crowd is shaking their heads, "such violence". My quarrel is with the degradation and feminization of the character of man. The only reason this video went viral is because the handgun. If he had simply thrown the laptop in the dumpster nobody would have hit the FWD key. We gasp at man’s aggression, at a man taking action. Society wants all men to be passive, T.V. remote in hand, doped up on Ritalin. Society would prefer this man to say ahh let the stepmother handle it. We can dig deep in our Bibles and analyze all of the better actions this father could have taken. I’m glad he took action and his daughter knows he means business. The pen is mightier than the sword. I am not comfortable with my teenage sons alone with a laptop yet, however I have full confidence in them with an assault rifle anywhere. Which weapon is more violent and splitting families like a scatter gun? a laptop or a handgun? He left his daughter alone with a laptop?? Blessings to all.Chris Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04760258075228576360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43693682477567257172012-02-13T12:42:20.647-08:002012-02-13T12:42:20.647-08:00If the sin was public, must the rebuke be private?...If the sin was public, must the rebuke be private?Andrew Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06543222209236040112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9851925413795542362012-02-13T08:11:13.193-08:002012-02-13T08:11:13.193-08:00While I inwardly said "yeah!" when I saw...While I inwardly said "yeah!" when I saw this video, I decided I would not repost it, because I don't think the dad approached this in a Gospel-Centered way.Wilesfileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07687988273378196438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33018297236957936232012-02-13T06:58:26.561-08:002012-02-13T06:58:26.561-08:00@Chris Hart.....I could not have said it any bette...@Chris Hart.....I could not have said it any better. I totally agree with your comments. To bring the guns are evil argument here is just wrong. Just becasue the man shot a laptop computer does not mean he is going to lose his mind and start shooting people.<br /><br />Grace and Peace,<br /><br />JohnJohn Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01808662935525868511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73420810226799544732012-02-13T06:27:40.473-08:002012-02-13T06:27:40.473-08:00Merrilee,
And yes, we all blow it sometimes and n...Merrilee,<br /><br /><i>And yes, we all blow it sometimes and need to repent and ask for forgiveness. Our kids might benefit from seeing how it's done.</i><br /><br />That is exactly what parents need to focus on. We try to do this with our kids and I've apologized to them many times. They always forgive me...same as we do after disciplining them when they apologize. That is one of the best opportunutities that a parent will ever have to present the Gospel to their children.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4574695326304364672012-02-12T16:29:15.219-08:002012-02-12T16:29:15.219-08:00"So easy.
But so wrong."-Tom the Sabbat..."So easy.<br /><br />But so wrong."-Tom the Sabbath guy<br /><br />You're right as rain. Rabbit paths are something I have to watch. Lo siento mi amigo.<br /><br />Mary Beth, sorry I missed your point sister. Have a great week in our Savior's love and Spirit.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18904335699941590942012-02-12T15:17:47.149-08:002012-02-12T15:17:47.149-08:00I'm not that far along in my experience as a p...I'm not that far along in my experience as a parent (our firstborn will be 10 this Friday), and I can relate to Tom's comments about public embarassment. Instead of telling them that they are embarrassing me (even though they might be doing that), I try to let my kids know when they are embarrassing <i>themselves </i>. Some kids need to learn to be more circumspect and learn when they <i> should </i> be embarrassed and ashamed. (Hannah would have benefited from remembering such a lesson before clicking "publish.")<br /><br />But rather than use it as an opportunity to save our own pride and dignity, we might (by God's grace) be more like the father of the prodigal son, who took that humiliation upon himself in order to restore the relationship. There is nothing Hannah could do to <i>undo</i> what she did online, but she could publicly denounce her actions and words and ask for forgiveness. Her father could have administered justice to the laptop without the public display, but instead he may regret some of his words and actions and may need to do the same. <br /><br />And yes, we all blow it sometimes and need to repent and ask for forgiveness. Our kids might benefit from seeing how it's done. I hope Hannah and her dad are able to do that as well.Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88159291105367399892012-02-12T14:40:10.800-08:002012-02-12T14:40:10.800-08:00"More importantly, I think he breached the sa..."More importantly, I think he breached the sanctity of the father-daughter relationship in the very same way she did by delivering the rebuke so publicly." <br /><br />This is what bothered me watching the video. I was cringing just like I did when a pastor's wife shared unflattering details about her husband in a woman's Bible Study trying to illustrate how we are to respond Biblically as wives. hmm. <br /><br />Not saying to be a hypocrite, but there's no reason to hang the dirty laundry outside for all to see. <br /> <br />Signing off...<br /><br />A feverishly happy, city dwelling, recreational target shooting wife, who is intolerant of snakes in trees and ground hogs at the country place, who uses her gun to show violence to old hard drives, and has many family members who are feverishly happy gun owners filling their freezers by hunting 'cause it feeds their families.<br /><br />oh and ...<br /><br />By definition violence could be a man fishing with a pole or a carpenter renovating with a hammer. <br /><br />violence |ˈvī(ə)ləns| n.<br />behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.sumbibazohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01396006770789748588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35358417262421708012012-02-12T14:31:41.239-08:002012-02-12T14:31:41.239-08:00I actually wasnt all that shocked by the actual sh...I actually wasnt all that shocked by the actual shooting-the-computer thing itself. But that may be because we used to do that sort of stuff all the time in college. (Taking old electronics out a nearby quarry and shooting them, shooting little Coleman propane tanks from a distance, etc)CGrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03257084521984285384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29862597573537730032012-02-12T14:08:10.735-08:002012-02-12T14:08:10.735-08:00@ donsands,
I used to skeet shoot to, Don, right ...@ donsands,<br /><br />I used to skeet shoot to, Don, right out of high school. I really enjoyed it, but I was referring to people who use guns when they are angry. :)Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42342586227020148552012-02-12T13:42:43.476-08:002012-02-12T13:42:43.476-08:00I know. I said "both" an extra time in ...I know. I said "both" an extra time in that comment. But I'm not re-typing, because I'm a Sabbatarian.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40082215631937971902012-02-12T13:40:05.850-08:002012-02-12T13:40:05.850-08:00It would be so easy to derail this very good threa...It would be so easy to derail this very good thread about parenting into a pro/con discussion of gun control. <br /><br />So easy.<br /><br />But so wrong.<br /><br />Phil's actual points were of such value. So your kids are behaving abominably and are in need of reproof. Will you <i>think</i> about the impact of <i>how</i> you deliver that reproof, and will you make certain to demonstrate love and sacrifice - even in your discipline? Or will you give in to the fleshly desire to reprove in such a way as serves only your own momentary interests? <br /><br />Good stuff - and stuff on which both the gun-toting cowboy Christian from Laredo and the latte-sipping yuppie Christian from Bridgeport can <i>both</i> profitably reflect.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2218368662534894852012-02-12T13:32:03.594-08:002012-02-12T13:32:03.594-08:00"Guns typically demonstrate (unless I’m total..."Guns typically demonstrate (unless I’m totally clueless on this matter) people’s angst, hatred, frustration, and intolerance."-Mary<br /><br />Not all the time. I loved shooting my shotgun. Lots of humters like to shoot skeet. It's a happy thing.<br /><br />Guns are not the problem. It's just a gun. <br /><br />You know I used to have two video clips from Youtube,-one from 'Shane, and another from 'Witness'-, that were short clips that showed how guns are good. And both of these clips have been deleted . One by Paramount, and the other by Turner.<br />Weird isn't it. <br />People don't like to tell people guns are good.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63835197838023735232012-02-12T12:57:57.364-08:002012-02-12T12:57:57.364-08:00I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact th...I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that this guy could get in serious trouble with the government (even though I'm rooting for him with everyone else). It's a good thing for him the daughter responded somewhat teachably, 'cuz she could have contacted child services and tried to sic the dogs on him. "I'm afraid of my father. Look at this video. He's violent. He disturbs me." Seriously, that's an entirely plausible scenario these days. Scary but true.yankeegospelgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196429275212180022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52229256408947894572012-02-12T12:24:52.507-08:002012-02-12T12:24:52.507-08:00@ Chris Hart,
We live in a dumb downed society, s...@ Chris Hart,<br /><br />We live in a dumb downed society, sad to say, that just does not think any more. This, unfortunately, makes it too convenient for people to pick up a gun to solve their problems, instead of thinking things through rationally. And I am not trying to make a case for owing a gun or not owning a gun, Chris. I owned one myself at one time. Almost immediately after 911 I bought a gun from Bass Pro Shops. So the squeamishness you propose, simply does not fit my situation.<br /><br />My argument is that "no one" should pick up a gun when they’re upset. Clearly this man was upset! People have been known to break with reality when they’re upset, and we never know for sure who those people will be. <br /><br />This man had grounded his daughter before in the past; and obviously it did not produce the results he was hoping for, as he was still harboring past resentment/anger towards her. This is why he used a gun to make such a dramatic statement, and help demonstrate his utter intolerance for her lack of respect.<br /><br />Guns typically demonstrate (unless I’m totally clueless on this matter) people’s angst, hatred, frustration, and intolerance. If you’re already teetering on the edge with pent up, unresolved anger, it should be abundantly clear that the last thing you should be doing is reaching for a gun. I don’t know too many people who use guns when they’re feverishly HAPPY, but have read about many who use guns when they’re upset and angry. <br /><br />But the fact that a gun was used to alleviate his resentment/anger/frustrations/angst, I think is highly problematic, and very suggestive of a complete failure to think problems through rationally. Not to mention that the situation had reached a point where words/talking/discipline UTTERLY FAILED to resolve a critical problem. This is why it is so dangerous. It’s just so indicative of a total breakdown in rational thought to problem solving. This is so wrong, my friend! Frustration and guns never make for good company!Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90431953868558699742012-02-12T11:10:47.947-08:002012-02-12T11:10:47.947-08:00Chris Hart: " A man shooting at a laptop comp...<b>Chris Hart:</b> <i>" A man shooting at a laptop computer with his handgun is violence? Are you serious?"</i><br /><br /><b>violence</b> |ˈvī(ə)ləns| n.<br />behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.<br /><br /><b>gun</b> |gən| n.<br />a weapon incorporating a metal tube from which bullets, shells, or other missiles are propelled by explosive force, typically making a characteristic loud, sharp noise.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80307925570908483142012-02-12T09:46:45.854-08:002012-02-12T09:46:45.854-08:00"Isn't that exactly the thing she did to ..."Isn't that exactly the thing she did to this father?"<br /><br />I don't think she was a "glutton and a drunkard".<br /><br />The rebellious son is also a child in Israel, a nation chosen by God and set apart, as God destroyed many other nations, and gave them prophets and kings to lead them under His sovereign rule.<br /><br />This is an OT law that we need to look at a bit deeper my friend.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19901023644925918572012-02-12T06:19:54.980-08:002012-02-12T06:19:54.980-08:00@donsands, "but has nothing to do with this f...@donsands, "but has nothing to do with this father" - how so? Isn't that exactly the thing she did to this father? Disrespecting her parents, rebelling and being stubborn?Jeenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07252663861528474896noreply@blogger.com