tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post6048582272431618491..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: The Larry King question (NEXT! #3)Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74050737627132738432009-02-14T09:47:00.000-08:002009-02-14T09:47:00.000-08:00I am certainly no quick witted come back king, but...I am certainly no quick witted come back king, but I think my first response would be to say, <BR/><BR/>"I don't understand Larry are you suggesting that the Jews already have the righteous perfection such as the rest of the world lacks, or do they have someone besides Jesus who paid the price for their sins"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39012872958661204352009-02-14T00:12:00.000-08:002009-02-14T00:12:00.000-08:00It's a hard question not only for Larry King and t...It's a hard question not only for Larry King and the Jews but for everyone else. I've posted a general view on this subject lately.Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12653623615077264265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37206387012726254962009-02-13T12:15:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:15:00.000-08:00Yes sir, it's one of many. I know for a fact that ...Yes sir, it's one of many. I know for a fact that anything <I>can be</I> spiritualized, though.<BR/><BR/>I pretty much gave that up on 2/11/1973, however.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44890170923240988482009-02-13T12:13:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:13:00.000-08:00Another bit of Scripture that I will grudgingly ad...Another bit of Scripture that I will grudgingly admit favours a Dispensational reading: the redivision of the land in Ezekiel 47. It's pretty hard to spiritualize that one.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89617929200945871482009-02-13T12:10:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:10:00.000-08:00Dan: Point taken.And my last comment was a follow-...Dan: Point taken.<BR/><BR/>And my last comment was a follow-on to my previous comment.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60003955870547407852009-02-13T12:09:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:09:00.000-08:00Because accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Sav...Because accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour means accepting that He is the Messiah promised to our ancestors, and not just to our ancestors, but to all the nations.<BR/><BR/>Because the first-century Jews who became Christ's apostles, disciples, and evangelists, and the first believers, recognized Him as the fulfilment of God's promises in the Hebrew Scriptures, in accordance with which He died for our sins, was buried, and raised on the third day.<BR/><BR/>Because He is King of kings and Lord of lords, and the sole means of reconciling sinful man to God through His suffering, death, and resurrection.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29648844587004112822009-02-13T12:06:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:06:00.000-08:00To my mind, both Paul and John in the Revelation j...To my mind, both Paul and John in the Revelation join with OT prophecy from Moses on, in leaving no doubt of a <I>spiritual</I> future for Israel. But Jeremiah explicitly removes doubt as to whether there will also be a <I>national</I> future. It's difficult to envision wording more specific and emphatic than "from being a nation before me."DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45218601571280773842009-02-13T12:02:00.000-08:002009-02-13T12:02:00.000-08:00I'm inclined more to think that the fulfilment...I'm inclined more to think that the fulfilment of God's not forsaking my Jewish cousins—and of what Paul hints at in Romans 11 (especially verse 15)—will be a major revival among them, in a movement to Christ, at some point in the future—granted that this is based to some degree on my own posttribulationst presuppositions. Spurgeon's thinking was that it would be at the time of the Millennium, with the caveat that that was just one man's conjecture based upon his reading of Scripture.<BR/><BR/>Already in Israel today, however, there is apparently something of a genuine Christian revival afoot....Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72676045812513696292009-02-13T11:00:00.000-08:002009-02-13T11:00:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gary Benfoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371307545924645897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8526810838089205612009-02-13T10:59:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:59:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gary Benfoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371307545924645897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60572181580248799452009-02-13T08:48:00.000-08:002009-02-13T08:48:00.000-08:00I reckon that makes me covenantal. Thanks for you...I reckon that makes me covenantal. Thanks for your help.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306150478950660120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-117080306074720952009-02-13T08:27:00.000-08:002009-02-13T08:27:00.000-08:00Hm; I don't know any Christian theological school ...Hm; I don't know any Christian theological school of thought that thinks that. All (to my knowledge) confirm Paul's note of the OT doctrine of the "remnant."<BR/><BR/>The difference is in whether one thinks that ethnic Israel has been cast off for its sins, as Jeremiah frontally says it won't be.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75323041989448208092009-02-13T08:26:00.000-08:002009-02-13T08:26:00.000-08:00Dan, That's pretty much the question. But someti...Dan, That's pretty much the question. But sometimes I get the impression that folks believe that all, as in every individual, in Israel will be saved because of God's covenants. I thought that God's covenant was with the Nation, ethnic people, if you will, but not with individuals within that unit. God's covenant for salvation with individuals is and always has been by Grace, through faith.<BR/><BR/>This is why I prefer toe to toe conversations. I think a whole lot faster than I type.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306150478950660120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19100562914034254642009-02-13T07:13:00.000-08:002009-02-13T07:13:00.000-08:00Jeff, I'm not sure I understand your question. If ...Jeff, I'm not sure I understand your question. If you're asking whether there is a future for ethnic Israel, my answer is "Of course." As long as Jeremiah 31:35-37 is in the Bible, and perspicuity a necessary exegetical guideline, I'll be unable to think otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Is that what you were asking?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41356437825414305442009-02-13T07:07:00.000-08:002009-02-13T07:07:00.000-08:00A little help here. I am under the impression tha...A little help here. I am under the impression that salvation even in the OT is by faith. Unknown and unseen, but the faithful knew that God would provide. God's chosen people... that salvation would come through Israel even though there are some in Israel who are lost.<BR/><BR/>The NT is God's plan for salvation revealed in Christ.<BR/><BR/>Is it possible that God's covenant with Israel remains and He will work his final work on Earth through a restored people?<BR/><BR/>Just asking.<BR/><BR/>Jeff BJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09306150478950660120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16188171174839709552009-02-13T07:02:00.000-08:002009-02-13T07:02:00.000-08:00The ability to do two- and three-step reasoning fr...The ability to do two- and three-step reasoning from the OT to the NT is not only "tight", but essential for understanding the fullness of revelation. Larry King is famous for one- and sometimes no-step reasoning. Let's not settle for that.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48414966055676970032009-02-13T05:08:00.000-08:002009-02-13T05:08:00.000-08:00Are you new to Scriptures, Drew? I'm losing track ...Are you new to Scriptures, Drew? I'm losing track of which Drew is which.<BR/><BR/>One of Christ's students would find those questions rich (and simple) opportunities, Drew. Moses speaks of Christ, the Prophet <I>par excellence</I> who was like him. Other prophets were of another order. We may not have found all the edges to this, but God Himself marks Moses off from other prophets (Numbers 12:6-8), and the Scripture says none had arisen like him (Deuteronomy 34:10-12). No prophet fully fills those sandals, until Jesus. Jews correctly saw that Prophet as an eschatological individual (cf. John 1:21; 6:14; 7:40). <BR/><BR/>You did read the verses linked, all of them? Then you read Yahweh's word that "whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him." If you begin studying Scripture, you'll find it often the case that what is hinted or pointed at in the OT is often filled in and made more specific in the NT. Peter does both in Acts 3:22-23, identifying Jesus with this Prophet, and affirming destruction to anyone who doesn't hear and heed Him. Jesus Himself also makes it explicit in the words I linked; just click on the link, and you'll be able to read it and understand, if you're willing.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60660188560998881832009-02-13T01:41:00.000-08:002009-02-13T01:41:00.000-08:00He would have actually "threw out" logic, Drew.To ...He would have actually "threw out" logic, Drew.<BR/><BR/>To you questions, the answer lies in a resurrected Christ. Look at the Bible as literature for a moment. If the Bible is a set of books written about the same subject -- even if you only consider it religious fiction as a starter-- the place a resurrected Christ has in that -story- is as the fulfillment of the law and the prophets.<BR/><BR/>But eventually you have to deal with the historical fact that Moses was a real person, Israel is a real nation and race, and Jesus really did say and do these things - like come out of the grave.<BR/><BR/><I>you</I> do.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7837389875497135862009-02-12T21:42:00.000-08:002009-02-12T21:42:00.000-08:00Frank:Hmmm...an interesting obstacle to belief for...Frank:<BR/><BR/>Hmmm...an interesting obstacle to belief for him; I agree that it seems like there are other, more significant/complex matters of doctrine to wrestle with than this one. Well, regardless of his specific reason for unbelief, what I've always appreciated about Larry is his willingness to engage in discussion with Dr. MacArthur, fully knowing he will indeed hear uncompromised Gospel Truth every time he has him on his show--of which he genuinely seems to appreciate.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63635500226644636652009-02-12T20:33:00.000-08:002009-02-12T20:33:00.000-08:00I would think that bad interpretation of scripture...I would think that bad interpretation of scripture, such as the one you offer in this post, would also be a problem for Mr. King. I mean, he's not the king of the follow up question, but here's a couple:<BR/><BR/>I asked about hell--why did you answer with a scripture that makes no mention of hell?<BR/><BR/>On what to you base your assumption that Moses is talking about Jesus?<BR/><BR/>Why would Moses warn his people to listen to a person they would never hear?<BR/><BR/>If this prophet that Moses was speaking of is in fact, Jesus, does that mean that the other so called prophets since Moses were not?<BR/><BR/>Usually, your logic is much tighter than it is in this post. Instead, you through out logic and sound interpretation in order to seem clever.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08284171572883616668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84350989109970407022009-02-12T20:10:00.000-08:002009-02-12T20:10:00.000-08:00Chris:I have heard it said that Larry King finds D...Chris:<BR/><BR/>I have heard it said that Larry King finds Dr. MacArthur to be the most compelling advocate for the Christian faith he has had on the show, and that the only thing stopping larry from faith in Christ is (now get this) the virgin birth.<BR/><BR/>Think about that -- not Penal Substitution, not the inerrancy of Scripture, not the Resurrection: the virgin birth.<BR/><BR/>Larry King: if you're reading this, know for certain that Jesus is both Lord and Christ -- even from in the womb. The God who made heaven and earth can make his Son be born from a virgin womb.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7553464653458656112009-02-12T19:52:00.000-08:002009-02-12T19:52:00.000-08:00In the (Scottish) words of Alistair Begg:"The plai...In the (Scottish) words of Alistair Begg:<BR/><BR/>"The plain things [in scripture] are the main things, and the main things are the plain things" <BR/><BR/>If I were asked the question, I'd follow a very direct YES with the truism above (:<BR/><BR/>Although, after all the times He's heard the gospel from John MacArthur, I'm convinced that ol' Larry is never gonna understand, let alone accept, the truth of God.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25176227652347805522009-02-12T19:17:00.000-08:002009-02-12T19:17:00.000-08:00So if Jews who don't believe in Christ go to hell,...So if Jews who don't believe in Christ go to hell, then:<BR/><BR/><B>THEY ARE NOT GOD'S PEOPLE</B>.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for affirming covenant theology Dan.Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86175986726117884352009-02-12T15:28:00.000-08:002009-02-12T15:28:00.000-08:00Frank as an avatar, cute.Frank in make-up, with a ...Frank as an avatar, cute.<BR/><BR/>Frank in make-up, with a clown mask in hand.<BR/><BR/>Priceless!Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8042578700195931212009-02-12T13:27:00.000-08:002009-02-12T13:27:00.000-08:00DJP,"dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding"w00t! Do I ...DJP,<BR/><I>"dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding"</I><BR/><BR/>w00t! Do I get a cookie?Jugulumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932658890162312549noreply@blogger.com