tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post6172546936232183683..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Young lady, I'm talking to youPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89153431544430918732007-05-15T05:44:00.000-07:002007-05-15T05:44:00.000-07:00Excellent point, JD, and a good note on which to c...<I>Excellent</I> point, JD, and a good note on which to close the comments.<BR/><BR/>Riddle: When does a question stop being an honest question?<BR/><BR/>When it has been answered.<BR/><BR/>This comment thread illustrates the point that there simply and literally IS no truth that, if disliked, can't be caviled against. We've long-since run out of honest questions, and the thread has been hijacked by a few who simply don't like the Scriptures that formed the basis of the original meditation.<BR/><BR/>Well, I'm sorry, but I've never yet found a way to make people like what they don't like. "The tongue of the wise commends knowledge,<BR/>but the mouths of fools pour out folly" (Proverbs 15:2). That's not a "should," it's an "is."<BR/><BR/>So with pecksniffian comments proliferating on this thread by people who clearly have not even actually read the original post (—or they'd not be fabricating objections already anticipated and answered), it's time for me to do for the first time what Phil has done at times: lock the thread down.<BR/><BR/>So I want to thank the many folks, and particularly the sisters, who have registered a "message received," and who have sacrificed a lot of time patiently explaining the obvious to the unwilling. But enough time's gone down that particular drain, and it's time to move on.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4603623147719570302007-05-15T05:12:00.000-07:002007-05-15T05:12:00.000-07:00(mad hatter walks in, full of gravitas...)On eyes ...(mad hatter walks in, full of gravitas...)<BR/><BR/><B>On eyes vs. thighs</B><BR/><BR/>Just because a fire starts doesn't mean <I>you</I> have to let it spread or throw a match on it...draw the line <I>somewhere</I> <BR/><BR/>Some think it leads to burkas, some think it leads to bare nakedness, both are wrong...<BR/><BR/>Did it ever occur to anyone that you might want to ask your <B>pastor</B> what <I>he</I> thinks?...didn't think so, you rebel..."but it is a personal matter of conscience!"...sure it is Joab, sure it is... <BR/><BR/>Hey DJP, see why it is so hard to get people to study the bible for all it is worth, or at least correctly, and why we have so many half brained ideas about doctrine and practice, and why we have so many pastors and teachers sailing off into the sunset of silliness...there is this little thing called <I>authorial intent</I> that people don't want to pay attention to...this thread is a case study in what an object lesson means...Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6331763408770464702007-05-15T04:44:00.000-07:002007-05-15T04:44:00.000-07:00"Whatsoever you do, do as unto the Lord". Is that ..."Whatsoever you do, do as unto the Lord". Is that my motivation, or is it my vanity? Do I secretly desire the approving looks of others? Why do I "gotta look good"? Dressing up for the Lord's Day--is it really to show respect for God, or to preen my own feathers in public? I am certainly not advocating slobbery. But when I go to church or any where else, do I want Him to increase, and me to decrease, or do I still just a little bit, want a little attention for myself? Do I want my rights, or His glory? Vanity is a deep and treacherous thing, and we can find all manner of "reasons" to cover it up that we might indulge it. Of course, men need to take responsibility for their eyes and actions, but that does not take away my responsibilty to walk in godliness and holiness. If I am really learning what it is to walk according to the Spirit, to abide in Him and He in me, if I keep my eyes fixed on Him and keep my perspectives in light of eternity, well, what do you think?chopstickschanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12391953126965807985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44977762372904877092007-05-15T03:50:00.000-07:002007-05-15T03:50:00.000-07:00Yet again, a perspective that has been answered, a...Yet again, a perspective that has been answered, and answered, and answered — even (yet again) in the original post.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17600814406488436292007-05-15T00:51:00.000-07:002007-05-15T00:51:00.000-07:00Hmmm.So, the comments on this thread beg the quest...Hmmm.<BR/><BR/>So, the comments on this thread beg the question, and I ask this in all seriousness:<BR/><BR/><B>Given what Dan has said, why doesn't he just politely ask Christian women to wear burkas?</B><BR/><BR/>If Dan is *sincere* about the urgency of women compensating for men's weakness and failures, why not really solve the problem as best we can, as conservative Muslims do. If Dan's point is a a good one, I think conservative Muslims must have it even better. I realize Dan is not suggesting this recommendation be codified into law with criminal sanctions attached, but the basic rationale is the same: women are to shoulder the burden for whatever man simply cannot help himself with.<BR/><BR/>I have a wife who is extremely modest, and appreciate that. But I also know that here modesty comes from her heart, her attitudes toward people, and even in a conservative one piece bathing suit, she's modest, even though her attire is much more revealing than the outfit she had on before changing into swim stuff. Dan, if you want to *really* speak to issue, then you're going about it the wrong way (maybe I'll get my wife to post here, so you can her it straight from her, although she's very modest and would be chagrined to offer you contradiction here, even if she thought you merited it.) <BR/><BR/>If women are well-advised to dress more modesty then they do, then why are they not even more well advised to cover it all up. For me, Dan, if you let a woman reveal her eyes, than that's a struggle for me in terms of lust. Ladies, if you are to carry the responsibility for me not doing the right thing, I must ask you to please wear a veil, if you are determined to keep me from stumbling. <BR/><BR/>Other men, ankles. Still others, long skirts are a turn on. No matter how much lower your skirtlines go, the male mind will find a way to indulge its lust, if it is permitted to do so. Women are powerless to stop a male mind from lusting if that's its goal. It's true you can resist it somewhat, maybe slow it down, so that's why if you really take Dan's message to heart, the burka seems to be the inevitable endpoint of the message. Maybe just not leaving the home is the next step.<BR/><BR/>I'm not at all naive on this. My modest wife is quite clear in explaining the dynamics of the way women dress, and their full knowledge about what kinds of messages and effects different outfits and items will have on men (and women) they encounter. Women know when they are dressing immodestly, or for untoward reasons , or with bad motives. That's wrong, and women should be encouraged to resist doing wrong, just like the men.<BR/><BR/>But, Dan can wave his hands all he wants and tell me he's just ask for a bit of mercy from the ladies, but every man knows in his head and heart this is *his* issue, and he is not excused even if the lady in question is trying to seduce him, or encourage lustful reactions. Proverbs has a whole *bunch* of admonitions for men concerning this, and I suggest those warnings are much more apropos here than the tired "alchohol example", which is a red herring by way of comparisons if there ever was one. <BR/><BR/>Man up, guys. Look your responsibilities in the eye and own it like a real man who fears God should. Taken to its logical conclusions the "cover up more" argument ends up in burkas, doesn't it?<BR/><BR/>"Oh, Touchstone, be reasonable!" I can hear it now. "Use some common sense". Fine, then explain who to *apply* this reason and common sense. How much is enough coverage. As I said -- seriously -- if you let a man like me see your eyes, you're a temptation. Do you love your brothers in Christ to cover your face, your *eyes* to keep him from stumbling?<BR/><BR/>Modesty is an *attitude*, not an outfit. My wife and I can name several women who wear very conservative clothes and yet are *far* more immodest than other ladies we know who wear much more revealing attire, yet have a modest attitude. Modesty has outward effects, but it's an internal issue.<BR/><BR/>-TouchstoneTouchstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733806892886921425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-731063531008078852007-05-15T00:01:00.000-07:002007-05-15T00:01:00.000-07:00Anyhoo, all that's been said having been said, I w...Anyhoo, all that's been said having been said, I wouldn't want to worship in a congregation like the synagogues of my Orthodox co-ethnics, where men and women are strictly separated.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25165491891730961172007-05-14T22:41:00.000-07:002007-05-14T22:41:00.000-07:00Men need to step up to the plate and stop looking ...<I>Men need to step up to the plate and stop looking at women in the way that they do.</I><BR/><BR/>How do you do that, this side of glory?Craig Schwarzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11156017639962303656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69689017808200437782007-05-14T22:34:00.000-07:002007-05-14T22:34:00.000-07:00...Oh, and not just Christian monastics, but Buddh......Oh, and not just Christian monastics, but Buddhist ones, too, for that matter.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19388302345468419162007-05-14T22:33:00.000-07:002007-05-14T22:33:00.000-07:00Art, Booklover:Why, over the ages, have monks and ...Art, Booklover:<BR/><BR/>Why, over the ages, have monks and nuns organized themselves into gender-segregated communities? Because even the holiest among us are still susceptible to temptation, or at the very least distraction.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64728927509691266192007-05-14T22:29:00.000-07:002007-05-14T22:29:00.000-07:00Art,You want women to be able to dress how they se...Art,<BR/><BR/>You want women to be able to dress how they see fit, and for men to hold themselves responsible. <BR/><BR/>Most of the women here believe they should dress modestly (per Biblical instruction), and most of the men have stated their own responsibility in the matter and their desire for holiness and purity. <BR/><BR/>Your mission is accomplished. What more could you possibly have to say?jenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362216258784981618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37265639357053588222007-05-14T21:46:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:46:00.000-07:00Art, that's not what Centurion said. Don't misrepr...<I>Art, that's not what Centurion said. Don't misrepresent him. He gave you up to 150 words. But you haven't answered yet.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not talking about Centurion. I'm talking about Dan telling me to drop it....which is why I quoted his comment...which I will now quote again since you apparently missed it.<BR/><BR/><I>DJP said...<BR/>Art, enough.<BR/><BR/>If you wanted clarification, you've gotten it, time and again, and very patiently.<BR/><BR/>If you wanted to try to make a point, you've had your chance.<BR/><BR/>Drop it.<BR/><BR/>5:33 PM, May 14, 2007</I>arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13621525758313683265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66601917373027433902007-05-14T21:41:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:41:00.000-07:00Apparently I'm no longer able to speakArt, that's ...<I>Apparently I'm no longer able to speak</I><BR/><BR/>Art, that's not what Centurion said. Don't misrepresent him. He gave you up to 150 words. But you haven't answered yet.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499447751220981083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56973969643040690552007-05-14T21:25:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:25:00.000-07:00Art, enough.If you wanted clarification, you've go...<I>Art, enough.<BR/><BR/>If you wanted clarification, you've gotten it, time and again, and very patiently.<BR/><BR/>If you wanted to try to make a point, you've had your chance.<BR/><BR/>Drop it.</I><BR/><BR/>Typical.<BR/><BR/>Curioussaint: <I>Art...are you a born again Christian?</I><BR/><BR/>You are absolutely ridiculous for asking this.arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13621525758313683265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76619648603423963582007-05-14T21:24:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:24:00.000-07:00Booklover,Yes, the sins of lust and seduction have...Booklover,<BR/><BR/>Yes, the sins of lust and seduction have been around since the fall. But <B> as Christians </B>, we are called to love one another and bear one another's burdens. And if a brother in the Lord asks me help him by being aware of my wardrobe, then certainly I can do that. You say "they'd better deal with their own sin," but the biblical model is for believers to help one another overcome the sins they struggle with. If a brother struggles with lust (and many do), then how is it helpful to dress in a way that makes his struggle that much harder? <BR/><BR/>Not to mention that as Christian women, we are called to be modest in every culture and in every time period. Does that vary among cultures? Yes, which is why Dan and others have mentioned things relevant to this culture. But it's not so much about "style" and "culture" as it is understanding what God requires of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7816166355577607992007-05-14T21:22:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:22:00.000-07:00Any answer longer than 150 words will be considere...<I>Any answer longer than 150 words will be considered avoiding answering. That may be a legalistic view, but any reasonable person should be able to answer that question in less than 25 words.</I><BR/><BR/>Apparently I'm no longer able to speak...yet Libbie and others are...curious.<BR/><BR/>Booklover: Thank you.arthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13621525758313683265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84208790999255545892007-05-14T21:12:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:12:00.000-07:00Again, not an argument, but a plea for compassion,...Again, not an argument, but a plea for compassion, and obedience to Christ. Not just in dress, but in all things.<BR/><BR/>Luke 17 <BR/>1 He said to His disciples, “It is inevitable that stumbling blocks come, but woe to him through whom they come! <BR/> 2 “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble. <BR/> 3 “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. <BR/> 4 “And if he sins against you aseven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ forgive him.” <BR/><BR/>Matthew 18<BR/>7 “Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes! <BR/> <BR/>Galatians 6<BR/>Bear One Another's Burdens<BR/> 1Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. <BR/>2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. <BR/>3For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. <BR/>4But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. <BR/>5For each will have to bear his own load. <BR/> <BR/><BR/> 6 One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches. <BR/>7Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. <BR/>8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. <BR/>9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. 10So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Do Not Cause Another to Stumble<BR/> 13Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. <BR/> <BR/>Romans 14<BR/> 20Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. <BR/>23But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.LeeChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540608568274871363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32242980388013693212007-05-14T21:10:00.000-07:002007-05-14T21:10:00.000-07:00I think our Christian culture is entirely too hype...<I>I think our Christian culture is entirely too hyper-focused on the sexual attraction-power of women.</I> <BR/><BR/>The sexual power of women is quite well attested to in secular culture. Thus it's a legitimate issue of concern in Christian culture. Even Scripture addresses the manner in which a woman dresses. Does that mean Scripture is hyperfocused on the sexual attraction power of women? <BR/><BR/><I>They should be more worried about stopping hate and gossip and self-righteousness.</I> <BR/><BR/>So we should be <I>more</I> concerned about some problems than others? Is the matter of modesty "not important enough" to discuss? The problem Dan addresses here is very real and common. Quite a few commenters here--both male and female--have expressed appreciation to him for bringing it up. Seems it <I>is</I> a matter well worth addressing.<BR/><BR/><I>I would think that if one would love God with all his HEART, SOUL, MIND, and STRENGTH, one wouldn't have much time to hyper-focus on SEX.</I><BR/><BR/>Even a man who loves God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength is susceptible to temptation--we can never reach a point at which we are immune to temptation. That's why a Christian man who yearns to live holy appreciates those women who, out of kindness, are thoughtful about the way they dress. <BR/><BR/>And a <I>woman</I> who loves God with all her heart, soul, mind, and strength <I>is</I> going to care about what her choice in clothing might do.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499447751220981083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17881084711319571062007-05-14T20:56:00.000-07:002007-05-14T20:56:00.000-07:00That's okay. You didn't actually say anything that...That's okay. You didn't actually say anything that hasn't already been answered. Several times. Including in the post itself.<BR/><BR/>Folks, I know it's hard to read through a long comment thread. But then again, you don't <I>have</I> to comment. But if you do, is it unreasonable to ask that you read what's already been said? Saves you making an argument that's already been refuted — which itself can be a learning experience.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38489826536641477182007-05-14T20:29:00.000-07:002007-05-14T20:29:00.000-07:00I have to agree with Art, and I am female. If I d...I have to agree with Art, and I am female. If I deck my table with delicious food, am I guilty of tempting the local glutton?? Should I stick with bread and crackers?<BR/><BR/>I frankly am tired of hearing about men who struggle with being "visual." Like if I am "audio," does that give me some excuse to blame others for constantly being attracted to rotten song lyrics??<BR/><BR/>And men, if you are complaining about the way women in church dress, why do you watch hours of TV without ever averting your eyes?? Go read your Bibles or spend time with your children. Or, what an idea, go MAKE LOVE WITH YOUR OWN WIFE!!<BR/><BR/>I think our Christian culture is entirely too hyper-focused on the sexual attraction-power of women. They should be more worried about stopping hate and gossip and self-righteousness. I would think that if one would love God with all his HEART, SOUL, MIND, and STRENGTH, one wouldn't have much time to hyper-focus on SEX.<BR/><BR/>This is way off topic, but as for these men who keep looking at other women in the church--maybe their own wives wouldn't struggle with obesity if the men made them feel as if they themselves were beautiful. Have you ever noticed how many obese women there are in the church?? Come on, men, stop the lustful glances at other women and pay attention to your own lovely wife, and make her feel loved!<BR/><BR/>Has anyone seen the Christian movie "Amazing Grace?" The leading actress showed a generous portion of her bosom--a common practice in those days. As a matter of fact, a common practice in the high school days (the 50's) of my mother--have you ever looked at senior pictures from that era? Yet nowadays when young women bare the top half of their bosom, we cry foul. Styles do change. If man can't appreciate beauty without lusting, then they'd better deal with their own sin.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to disagree with most of you here.Bookloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923087945554264867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77599720663850756882007-05-14T19:37:00.002-07:002007-05-14T19:37:00.002-07:00Matt: it's your flthy mind which is taking offense...Matt: it's your flthy mind which is taking offense. Try to be a stronger brother, would you?FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85503849244825498552007-05-14T19:37:00.001-07:002007-05-14T19:37:00.001-07:00Thanks for this timely refresher, Dan.And thanks, ...Thanks for this timely refresher, Dan.<BR/><BR/>And thanks, Art, for protecting us from the mean ol' villans trying to put us in potato sacks. But really, women know clothes are about more than "expressing ourselves." <BR/><BR/>As much as this post is intended to request help of the ladies, this is also a challenge to us women to keep our own hearts and motives pure in what we wear and how we wear it.<BR/><BR/>I do understand what you're saying, Art, and I appreciate it, but we aren't oblivious to the effect we can have on our brothers. As a follower of Christ, I have an obligation to consider him and not just what may be considered stylish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47236224566081949042007-05-14T19:37:00.000-07:002007-05-14T19:37:00.000-07:00Art:At the risk of baiting a troll, would a woman ...Art:<BR/><BR/>At the risk of baiting a troll, would a woman walking around naked be guilty of anything, or is it my filthy mind which makes her nakedness a bad thing? That is, is it legalism to consider a woman walking around naked as guilty of a sin?<BR/><BR/>Any answer longer than 150 words will be considered avoiding answering. That may be a legalistic view, but any reasonable person should be able to answer that question in less than 25 words.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2390120772349712122007-05-14T19:21:00.000-07:002007-05-14T19:21:00.000-07:00I apologize ahead of time if I repeat something wh...I apologize ahead of time if I repeat something which someone has already said. The comments have gotten to be more than I can read through. I have 3 different comments that I would like to make. <BR/><BR/>1) I think that we so often put so much of an emphasis on dressing modestly for the sake of "our brothers in Christ" when in all reality we need to remember that the way we dress is a testimony to the unbelieving males as well. An example of this was last summer I was witnessing to a guy and was talking about how being a Christian changes everything about me - the way I talk, dress, act, etc. He said to me, "I know you are being facetious when you say how you dress." I said to him not at all and the fact that I was sitting across from this guy dressed modestly was a real testimony that what I was saying was true. I very quickly explained to him why I was wearing what I was (and no it was not anything that the Amish would wear.) I can say, though, that if I had been wearing the same ol' thing that other girls wear during the hot summer months then the gospel message that I was speaking to him would not have meant anything. <BR/><BR/>2) I also would like to touch on the matter that this is a matter of the heart. I attend a Christian college and more times than I care to count we have been divided up between the men and women and given "the talk." The one where they tell us that what we wear affects the guys and that we should and shouldn't wear certain articles of clothing. Directly following this time there is generally a change for the better among the girls' dress, but without fail they will go back (usually within days) to the way they were dressing previously. I actually do not blame them becuase I know that it is ultimately a matter of the Lord changing their hearts which will in the end change their motives for the way they dress. I say this because I know the transformation that took place in my own heart several years ago. I used to dress in a way that was not appropriate until the Lord changed my heart and I realized the way I dress ultimately has to do with others...not myself. I have since come to realize that this is one more of those things which is a part of sanctification and the Lord has to convict and change the heart just like any other issue. <BR/><BR/>3) Lastly I would like to ask that if the guys/men see the girls/women around them dressing in a way that is modest and obviously different that y'all would take the time to thank them. This may seem like something uncomfortable, but I can assure you they will appreciate it. A commment to them to let them know that you notice they are trying to please the Lord and dress differently than the "world" says they should will go a long way. I realize that this must be done in an appropriate way, but I ask that you will at least think about doing this. It's a way that you can encourage your sisters in Christ.another runnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431450781036770147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51815104345559993992007-05-14T19:11:00.000-07:002007-05-14T19:11:00.000-07:00Just a thought...but the JW's don't have a problem...Just a thought...but the JW's don't have a problem with modesty. Well, that's been my experience anyways. The women seem to care a great deal about how they present themselves. But i'm sure that's largely due to the legalism that they are bound too. Nonetheless, the point is that dress doesn't seem to be a big issue for them.Mike Felkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01974482615713418707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91602635302599192122007-05-14T18:55:00.000-07:002007-05-14T18:55:00.000-07:00Art...are you a born again Christian?Art...are you a born again Christian?CuriousSainthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17754799687893274900noreply@blogger.com