tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7452620887139545888..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Apocalypse ThenPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3559597908879778952009-01-08T22:42:00.000-08:002009-01-08T22:42:00.000-08:00Baloney: "Funny, isn't it? You chastise those who ...<B>Baloney:</B> <I>"Funny, isn't it? You chastise those who were wrong about Y2K and yet nothing is said about avoiding popular pre-millenial cheerleaders like, for instance, Hal Lindsey"</I><BR/><BR/>Well, I don't know why it's "funny" that I didn't make a list of every eschatalogical wacko and name them all. This post wasn't about anything reeant to Hal Lindsey. I'll certainly grant that the premillennialists seem to have more than their fair share of crackpots and heretics.<BR/><BR/>But mark it down: I think everyone is to be avoided who makes a career out of either milking controversies or making predictions about apocalyptic timelines. That goes for premillennialists like Hal Lindsey, amillennialists like Harold Camping, and postmillennialists like Gary Demar. They're all roughly in the same category in my thinking.<BR/><BR/>How's that?<BR/><BR/>I think I've said that before, but since you evidently created an anonymous persona to leave this one comment, I won't speculate or whether you ought to have known that or not.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50493596505077607902009-01-08T21:02:00.000-08:002009-01-08T21:02:00.000-08:00Wow!Nice hatchet job!Everybody seems to forget tha...Wow!<BR/><BR/>Nice hatchet job!<BR/><BR/>Everybody seems to forget that an army of programmers was hired and billions of dollars were spent by both the private and public sector to ensure that Y2K didn't happen. As someone who has dabbled in programming, I can assure you that before a lot of the fixes were made we were able to create some dandy program and network failures by setting system clocks to 11:59 PM Dec. 31, 1999 and waiting a minute. About the only one than didn't pan out was the "9999" failure for Fortran programs on 9/9/99. And I did read some reports that some programmers were able to make that one happen in artificial condition settings. As pointed out by another poster, there's another computer glitch that could play havoc with computer systems due to the time overflow. It'll be prevented just like the Y2K disaster was averted.<BR/><BR/>So blaming North for not realizing, or better yet predicting, that government and industry was managing to dodge a bullet by hiring thousands of programmers to go through and patch billions of lines of code is pretty convenient 9 years ex post facto when much has gone down into the memory hole (yes, I used an Orwell allusion purposefully). It does make for a dandy straw man though in giving a convenient cleat to tie him together with the lunatic fringe who actually destroyed their families in order to "save them" I suppose. North never suggested anything close to this extreme, despite your implication to that effect. He urged preparedness and caution, not anarchy.<BR/><BR/>By the way, my wife was a professional COBOL programmer for a state supreme court administrators office at the time and we put in several gallons of drinking water and lots of canned goods based on what we knew about the problem, all of which were consumed after the period passed. Are my wife and I now officially "duped zealots?"<BR/><BR/>You'd think that Gary North had pulled a Hal Lindsey or a Jack Van Impe style pre-millenial date setting stunt with his AIDS predictions, an area in which he admittedly has little expertise and didn't take into account western medicine's ability to screen out the main cause of AIDS infection of heterosexuals leading to a case explosion; contaminated blood and transplant organs. If you want to see his AIDS predictions coming true then look at Africa (and some say China) where no such stringent safeguards are in place. <BR/><BR/>Funny, isn't it? You chastise those who were wrong about Y2K and yet nothing is said about avoiding popular pre-millenial cheerleaders like, for instance, Hal Lindsey (deadline dates for Christ's return...so far that is...1980, 1988, 2000, 2007...) But, of course no one can match the record of pre-millenials date setters for being so consistently wrong. Except maybe modern Keynsian economists.<BR/><BR/>North has been, in fact, quite correct in the area of economics, the exact area that you have warned people to avoid him. Had investors listened to North just a couple of years after the Y2K bubble failed to burst they would have known that a serious stock market bubble was about to burst and that the real-estate market bubble would also burst and that they should find safe harbors for their investments. Most (including me) didn't and lost huge portions, if not all, of their 401K and other investments that have never recovered and even gotten worse. That is because North is an Austrian school economist who views economics through a biblical lens (unlike many of the Austrian schoolers). The Austrians have been consistently correct in their economic predictions of boom and bust cycles. Keynsians have been consistently wrong. That's because Austrians are hard money,fiscal responsibility, free market, no deficit spending in public and private sectors advocates. Just like the Bible!<BR/><BR/>So who exactly would you have Christians consult for financial advice? Gary North, who has been consistently right on economics questions or that nice Christian broker on the radio who was advising people to invest in "Freddy Mac" and "Fanny Mae" long after Austrians like North had warned that these were dangerously unstable Ponzi schemes, ripe for collapse?Camp Directorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15480576282271482133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12517822118625199722009-01-07T10:50:00.000-08:002009-01-07T10:50:00.000-08:00to be honet I was more worried about what would ha...to be honet I was more worried about what would happen to my computer, with all my files and pictures and illegally downloaded music, than whatever else people were saying was going to happen. Then again I wasn't a Christian back then.Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01385067178930906667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49746284307689663662009-01-06T18:47:00.000-08:002009-01-06T18:47:00.000-08:00Wow, this story is one of the saddest stories that...Wow, this story is one of the saddest stories that I have ever read.OAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15446875211756964019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39629518830512781892009-01-06T13:51:00.000-08:002009-01-06T13:51:00.000-08:00My take on the whole Mayan 2012 thing is that it w...My take on the whole Mayan 2012 thing is that it will not lead to the end of the world. There will likely be some unintended consequences as a result that most aren't thinking about or planning for.NothingNewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08499186024285784090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21866647616026834272009-01-06T11:42:00.000-08:002009-01-06T11:42:00.000-08:00I think it's important to make the distinction bet...I think it's important to make the distinction between believing, whether on a sound basis or not, that something catastrophic is going to happen and you should prepare for it, and panicking. One is possibly wrong on the facts (and since when does God require us to be experts on how computers work?) but not necessarily faithless; the other is faithless.<BR/><BR/>After all, if someone had run around in 1345 yelling that we'd better get cracking on killing the rats QUICK, he wouldn't have been faithless, he'd have been RIGHT. Two years later, a rat-related disaster occurred that made Y2K predictions seem like a picnic. Disasters do happen under the Providence of God.<BR/><BR/>It's just that we're not allowed to forget that He's God before, during, and after the time they do, or might, happen. And probably more to the point of this post, we shouldn't allow our sinful tendency to fear and panic make us more susceptible to believing that disaster is looming, when it's not.pentamomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02104010281532583269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73298286279694433542009-01-06T10:50:00.000-08:002009-01-06T10:50:00.000-08:00So, 2012 is when the Mayan calendar rolls over. No...So, 2012 is when the Mayan calendar rolls over. Not to worry, unless you're superstitious about such things. Modern computer systems certainly won't care (or even notice) that the Mayan calendar system has reached the end of its cycle.<BR/><BR/>I'd be more worried about the Y2K38 (03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038) bug, which is when computer time (number of seconds since 00:00:00 January 1, 1970) overflows, though that is already being worked on by doubling the space to store the time, putting off the problem for another 290 billion years.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34535414266107987542009-01-06T10:25:00.000-08:002009-01-06T10:25:00.000-08:00NNUTS: That's interesting. Releasing (then removi...NNUTS: That's interesting. Releasing (then removing?) extra money into the economy would definitely have the dual effect of (a) free spending and (b) a crash.<BR/><BR/>All: Hmmm...all that hype about 2012. After reading up on it, it seems that the Mayan calendar doesn't even <I>end</I> that year: it's just the beginning of a new 394.25-year-long "b'ak'tun" in the calendrical era. So some new agers are all agog not about the end of the world, but about humanity's entering into some new phase of consciousness, <I>a la</I> the "age of Aquarius."<BR/><BR/>Not that that will stop 4 years of marketing-driven hype....<BR/><BR/>Let us, on the other hand, stand alone on the sure and sturdy Word of God.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9472402460792308302009-01-06T07:55:00.000-08:002009-01-06T07:55:00.000-08:00Another interesting unintentional issue the came f...Another interesting unintentional issue the came from the Y2k hysteria was the US Federal Reserve (Alan Greenspan and co.) were concern there could be a huge amount of people hoarding cash, fearing that credit cards and electronic financial transactions would cease to function. In order to compensate for cash hoarding during 1999 the Federal Reserve ended up increasing the money supply which flooded the US economy with additional cash and all that easy money was just one additional factor that assisted in creating the big economic boom in the late 1990's.NothingNewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08499186024285784090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41651661763682662422009-01-06T07:54:00.000-08:002009-01-06T07:54:00.000-08:00As a daycare administrator I was required by the C...As a daycare administrator I was required by the City of Hamilton (Ontario) to come up with a "Y2K Plan" and submit it for approval. So, what would we do if all utilities and communications were shut down because of YTK, and we could not access computer records?<BR/><BR/>My answer: Nothing. There wouldn't be much to do, would there?<BR/><BR/>It wasn't approved, but by the time they got around to telling me that we were well into January 2000.Scottjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16376531868844723586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72146147113494735622009-01-06T07:30:00.000-08:002009-01-06T07:30:00.000-08:00Yeah, CR. One just said to the other: "C'mon, dud...Yeah, CR. One just said to the other: "C'mon, dude, 2012 is far enough! That's, like, waaay in the future. Call it a day."Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86810785347910011082009-01-06T07:16:00.000-08:002009-01-06T07:16:00.000-08:00How do we know that Mayan calendar writers didn't ...How do we know that Mayan calendar writers didn't just get tired and say, "You know what, forget this noise, I'm done with this.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70983306966074070712009-01-06T06:50:00.000-08:002009-01-06T06:50:00.000-08:00I remember those days...I had gotten involved with...I remember those days...I had gotten involved with a church that was more 'faith'-based than Word-based. And we had a big ol' New Year's Eve gathering, so that, if the worst happened, and we were in the dark, we'd all be together, and if Jesus came back, we'd all be in church! (and yes, the church had made sure people brought generators. Would not be surprised to know that everybody had firearms in the car.)<BR/><BR/>And then, nothing happened. Which disappointed many more people than it should have. So, now, I'm back (and have been for some time) to sticking with churches that hold the preaching to the standard of the Word, instead of letting the preacher roam off it. And now, even with the coming doom of mass hysteria about *****(fill in the blanks) I don't have the stress, because I have the Word. Much better life.<BR/><BR/>On a side note, some friends are still paying off all the debt they ran up in 1999 when they thought the banking system would lock up. One guy was convinced that Visa would think he hadn't bought his stuff yet, and the bill wouldn't be due for 99 years. Another was just certain the whole thing would lock up, and the monetary system would collapse.<BR/><BR/>Ah well, maybe next time....Doug Hibbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01099486048716032843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42935977571056172182009-01-06T06:43:00.000-08:002009-01-06T06:43:00.000-08:00A few cents' worth on Y2K:1. I am a software geek...A few cents' worth on Y2K:<BR/><BR/>1. I am a software geek, and I remember the trouble I had working through potential Y2K problems in my main software in 1996 (we were ahead of the curve). I still think that the "hysteria" caused most companies (including my own) to take the problem more seriously.<BR/><BR/>2. I took the Y2K problem seriously enough myself to lay in a few days' food and bucks. No gold, no MREs, just a well-stocked pantry and a few hundred bucks in the drawer.<BR/><BR/>Most of the extra food went to the homeless shelter in early '00.<BR/><BR/>3. We and a couple of other Christian families in our neighborhood planned for this together - not just to survive ourselves, but to have some food on hand for our neighbors as well. We saw it as an opportunity to serve our neighbors and evangelize.<BR/><BR/>4. One problem with believing you have a clear view of the future - you are tempted to see everything that happens as bringing that future to pass, and the hazard is that you will try to work to accelerate it. This was the Communists' problem (since they thought revolution was inevitable, why not hurry it along? And what do we do to those who resist the inevitable?)<BR/><BR/>This was also Gary North's problem (yes, I had all his tapes). Since he believed as a postmillenialist that the church would one day rule the world, he looked upon this as God's timing to accelerate the process. His ill-fated effort happened because he thought he "knew the times", and wanted to position the church for hastening the day when they would triumph.<BR/><BR/>Of course, many premillenialists think they know the future blueprint pretty well, too. In some, it causes them to work harder for the kingdom (evangelism, reaching the unreached nations, etc.) to hasten Jesus' coming. <BR/><BR/>For others, their perception of the imminence of the rapture keeps them from doing anything useful (as J. Vernon McGee said, "You don't polish the brass on a sinking ship.") As a child of the Hal Lindsey generation, I saw that firsthand among many of my saved friends.<BR/>___<BR/><BR/>OK, 8 cents' worth.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I formally admit that I was wrong about Y2K.Mark B. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942591774072214556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21877507741141743092009-01-06T05:17:00.000-08:002009-01-06T05:17:00.000-08:00In a real and tangible sense, worldwide calamity m...In a real and tangible sense, worldwide calamity may be a divine conduit for the gospel. But of course only God knows, which is the title of my soon coming book to help us cope with that calamity.<BR/><BR/>$100 seed faith gift and it's yours. I know, what kind of fruit can that seed produce in a worldwide financial collapse? <BR/><BR/>Less boils.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71683098269319005202009-01-06T05:08:00.000-08:002009-01-06T05:08:00.000-08:00The only global warming we should concern ourselve...The only global warming we should concern ourselves with is detailed in 2 Peter 3:10-13.greglonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514850772020363684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12005187140561525042009-01-06T03:59:00.000-08:002009-01-06T03:59:00.000-08:00I sure hope I am not living on this earth when che...I sure hope I am not living on this earth when cheap oil runs out and when Social Security and Medicare run out of funds. I am lucky if I make even 20,000 a year. WOW.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Back in the 50's, everyone laughed at M.K. Hubbert who predicted U.S. peak oil in the 70's and global peak oil in 2000. He turned out to be right on the money and the only reason gas prices went down is because of a global recession, reducing global demand. <BR/><BR/>Apocalypse, maybe but paying 10.00 a gallon for gas and having no retirement funds (if we have not been raptured yet), we sure feel like an apocalypse to me.Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243942568769272307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70031345948821047782009-01-06T03:54:00.000-08:002009-01-06T03:54:00.000-08:00There are notable differences between the y2k phen...There are notable differences between the y2k phenomena and the issue of global warming:<BR/><BR/>1) y2k had a specific date, a before and after event. Global Warming does not have a similar event - it just changes slowly.<BR/><BR/>2) y2k was seen as a serious issue by tech corporations all over the world and efforts were made to make computers "y2k compliant". Was there any real threat or was the threat averted by the years of compliance put in by technicians? Global Warming, by contrast, has seen little in the way of mitigation.<BR/><BR/>3) y2k did spawn a "doomer movement" based upon serious concerns about the event. Similarly, global warming has "doomers" as well but not all people who believe in global warming are "doomers".<BR/><BR/>4) y2k was a problem that was highlighted by the tech industry and then solved by the tech industry. No one complained. Global Warming is a problem highlighted by the scientific community (specifically the area of climate science) but can only be solved by the world community as a whole - and lots of people complain about it.<BR/><BR/>5) y2k "doomers' predicted the end of the world. Global Warming believers know that the world will survive - though a lot of people will still die.Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03143948543305522865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68140311858923105652009-01-06T01:57:00.000-08:002009-01-06T01:57:00.000-08:00i remember two Christian books that came out to ca...i remember two Christian books that came out to cash in on the anxiety and hysteria. crazy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26848947293649247172009-01-06T00:47:00.000-08:002009-01-06T00:47:00.000-08:00Sam:"Now we can start looking forward to the 2012 ...Sam:<BR/>"Now we can start looking forward to the 2012 hysteria..."<BR/><BR/>You mean the end of the Mayan calendar?<BR/><BR/>But we'll never get to 2012 because Harold Camping's 666th prediction is for 2011.Steve Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10297044571819912511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21853605250858225142009-01-05T23:42:00.000-08:002009-01-05T23:42:00.000-08:00PJ wrote: (It frankly amused me that a postmillenn...PJ wrote: <B><I>(It frankly amused me that a postmillennialist like North, who had frequently derided premillennialists by referring to them as "pessimillennialists" would himself make a career of fear-mongering. </I></B><BR/><BR/>I LOL on a lot of things on this post. "premillennialists as pessimillennialists" (now that was cold).CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60901613607361776712009-01-05T22:21:00.000-08:002009-01-05T22:21:00.000-08:00Here’s my take on global warming:Let's just say th...Here’s my take on global warming:<BR/><BR/>Let's just say that solar activity (or the lack of it) has a greater influence on the Earth's surface temperature than many want to acknowledge. The fact the earth has 2 large holes in its magnetosphere allows more radiation into the atmosphere which could increase global temperatures during those cycles in which the sun is unleashing more radiation. While the sun is going through a very calm period right now that could be contributing to a global cooling period, but as the sun cycles and enters a period of more violent solar storms more of that radiation can enter the atmosphere and increase surface temperatures.<BR/><BR/>quote from:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=315533893763712" REL="nofollow">http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=315533893763712</A><BR/><BR/>2008 has been a year of records for cold and snowfall and may indeed be the coldest year of the 21st century thus far. In the U.S., the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month of October.<BR/><BR/>Global thermometers stopped rising after 1998, and have plummeted in the last two years by more than 0.5 degrees Celsius. The 2007-2008 temperature drop was not predicted by global climate models. But it was predictable by a decline in sunspot activity since 2000.<BR/><BR/>When the sun is active, it's not uncommon to see sunspot numbers of 100 or more in a single month. Every 11 years, activity slows, and numbers briefly drop near zero. Normally sunspots return very quickly, as a new cycle begins. But this year, the start of a new cycle, the sun has been eerily quiet.<BR/><BR/>The first seven months averaged a sunspot count of only three and in August there were no sunspots at all — zero — something that has not occurred since 1913.<BR/><BR/>According to the publication Daily Tech, in the past 1,000 years, three previous such events — what are called the Dalton, Maunder and Sporer Minimums — have all led to rapid cooling. One was large enough to be called the Little Ice Age (1500-1750)."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Quote from:<BR/><BR/>http://www.livescience.com/space/081216-agu-solar-storm-shield-break.html<BR/><BR/>“Scientists have found two large leaks in Earth's magnetosphere, the region around our planet that shields us from severe solar storms.<BR/><BR/>The leaks are defying many of scientists' previous ideas on how the interaction between Earth's magnetosphere and solar wind occurs: The leaks are in an unexpected location, let in solar particles in faster than expected and the whole interaction works in a manner that is completely the opposite of what scientists had thought.<BR/><BR/>The findings have implications for how solar storms affect the our planet. Serious storms, which involved charged particles spewing from the sun, can disable satellites and even disrupt power grids on Earth.<BR/><BR/>The new observations "overturn the way that we understand how the sun's magnetic field interacts with the Earth's magnetic field," said David Sibeck of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., during a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.”NothingNewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08499186024285784090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15085185348206866902009-01-05T22:03:00.000-08:002009-01-05T22:03:00.000-08:00It seems to me that the Lord used that message to ...It seems to me that the Lord used that message to help me stop worrying and hoarding, because He would continue to meet my needs day by day as He always had. It freed me from a fear I hadn't realized I had.Ebethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02190002073330892056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10572514174402701902009-01-05T21:42:00.000-08:002009-01-05T21:42:00.000-08:00Jeff said, "I for one am a little concerned about ...Jeff said, <I>"I for one am a little concerned about this global warning thing."</I><BR/><BR/>Don't be too concerned Jeff. I'm trying to remember the sermon where John MacArthur made a statement about global warming and how it really didn't concern him, as God is Sovereign and what happens is what he wills. That's not to say we dump nuclear waste in our backyards, but so much of the "Global Warming" talk that we see in the media and movies (*cough* Inconvenient Truth *cough*) is pure propaganda for people to spread their fear-mongering and make some money (*cough* Al Gore *cough*).<BR/><BR/>I highly recommend <A HREF="http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/Global-Warming-A-Scientific-and-Biblical-Expose-of-Climate-Change-DVD,5733,229.aspx" REL="nofollow">this DVD</A> from Answers In Genesis on global warming. It presents a more balanced look at the data that we currently have from a biblical worldview.<BR/><BR/>On a funnier note, I still remember the funniest commercial I saw that made fun of the Y2K bug was from ESPN. <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU6IKFNY7OM" REL="nofollow">Watch it!</A>Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907254174794098010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21413090391472537812009-01-05T21:18:00.000-08:002009-01-05T21:18:00.000-08:00When I think of Postmill Theology, I normally thin...When I think of Postmill Theology, I normally think of John Calvin, the Puritans, Charles Hodge, B.B. Warfield, Greg Bahnsen, Kenneth Gentry, Gary Demar etc. Fear mongering in the ranks of postmillennialism? I mean no one in postmill theology expects a dry run of things, but this sounded like it could have came out of Hal Lindsey! <BR/>Even in tough times it is hardly given for Christians to panic. Our duty is to proclaim Christ and him crucified! Sounds like someone attempted to charge the enemy alone while his soldiers decided to take a detour to the bunker. <BR/>How exactly does someone derive the Y2K bug from the Bible? (About the same way that they derive the “secret codes of revelation” or the “Alien Message”. 00<BR/>Futurism hasn’t really ever been regarded as an option of postmillennial belief. Historicism, Preterism and Idealism are more in tune with Postmill beliefs. <BR/>This futurist variant of postmillennialism sounds bizarre quite frankly (course, maybe that’s the norm for a Preterist Postmill like myself :D ). <BR/><BR/>We are optimistic in Postmill, but that hardly means an easy run by any means (or a perfect one). (c:)<BR/><BR/>Global Warming is (as pointed out) essentially Secular fearmogering (some evagelicals take that stuff seriously and have it at their top social agenda above abortion banning etc.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com