tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7510015669798141289..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: More on the Intolerance of OvertolerancePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37350058770464006062011-03-01T22:37:34.205-08:002011-03-01T22:37:34.205-08:00I'm a Calvinist and a premillenialist and I be...I'm a Calvinist and a premillenialist and I believe Arminains and dominionist are heretics. Does that make me intolerant? Does that make me a demon possessed in the eyes of American Christians?thomas4881https://www.blogger.com/profile/16839685480671937969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68542979882417861922011-03-01T22:28:02.905-08:002011-03-01T22:28:02.905-08:00Phil,
My Dad fell off a ladder 30 years ago, and ...Phil,<br /><br />My Dad fell off a ladder 30 years ago, and woke up in excrutiating pain five years ago. He had a surgery, and steroids, and just finished a 30 day cruise through French Polynesia, and was just engaged to be married again.<br /><br />I pray the same happy recovery to you!<br /><br />Karen ButlerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58880717844206816682011-03-01T22:24:31.959-08:002011-03-01T22:24:31.959-08:00This looks like a job for...Wretched Radio! Which ...This looks like a job for...Wretched Radio! Which is about all what I know of Nooma, or Rob Bell. Todd Friel's video response to The Bullhorn Guy was dead on. We need you now more than ever.<br /><br />Perhaps if Mr. Bell found someone he loved on the wrong end of a seared conscience, he would come to terms with his natural man's distaste for Hell. Maybe then he would understand better its absolute necessity. Maybe then he would even find himself praying imprecatory prayers, the way the Savior did. <br /><br />Karen ButlerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85505082876727110612011-03-01T19:05:05.213-08:002011-03-01T19:05:05.213-08:00There's a Usenet mantra that goes "don...There's a Usenet mantra that goes "don't feed the trolls".<br /><br />Rob Bell is a troll.<br /><br />Take heed.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137758239305541715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76746678610763985702011-03-01T17:51:01.967-08:002011-03-01T17:51:01.967-08:00A friend thought that Bell might just be playing t...A friend thought that Bell might just be playing the Devil's advocate and posing questions to challenge us in a good way, and then affirm sound doctorine once he's into the meat of his book, but look at the facebook comments on the intro video to see the fruit of that.. universalists are rejoicing and people are being deceived<br /><br />link to view comments:<br />http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150104061084774&oid=10553794179&commentsJonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17269520425705227853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73458029879138283762011-03-01T16:48:40.129-08:002011-03-01T16:48:40.129-08:00I had to share one of my favs.
http://www.youtube....I had to share one of my favs.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LL8J8WYT0&feature=relateddonsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46893520705608476922011-03-01T15:14:12.310-08:002011-03-01T15:14:12.310-08:00I echo what some of the first commenters said..its...I echo what some of the first commenters said..its just more of the same. I have not read Bell's books, but I have heard him on YouTube and his latest promo video. It's just sad. I read another post about how his questions in that promo video were leading questions...how if he didn't actually believe those things, he was in the least being misleading. I think that's true. And how should one take that even if what Bell's book says is totally right on (which I highly doubt it will be). <br /><br />On another note, I often find myself not riled up enough about these things. I think its because of the backlash other Christians have resorted too. They can't handle anyone talking badly or criticizing their earthly hero - Rob Bell. They act like the guy is Jesus himself. I pray my heart does not become so easily misled by people like Bell just because he's hip, well spoken, and gets me. So does my shrink, but I'm not gonna take up counseling....<br /><br />www.crossdrivenhome.comEllehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03533826849911359486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62091249984873525272011-03-01T14:24:15.875-08:002011-03-01T14:24:15.875-08:00DJP: "Yurie, few situations cannot be address...DJP: "Yurie, few situations cannot be addressed by an appropriate line from The Princess Bride."<br /><br />Chantry: "HOUDs? You mean the Heretics Of Unusual Deviousness? I don't think they exist."<br /><br />This is why I love this blog.Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5946533685467079912011-03-01T13:52:54.805-08:002011-03-01T13:52:54.805-08:00HOUDs? You mean the Heretics Of Unusual Deviousne...HOUDs? You mean the Heretics Of Unusual Deviousness? I don't think they exist.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54705646999966654172011-03-01T13:41:46.925-08:002011-03-01T13:41:46.925-08:00QED
(c:QED<br /><br />(c:DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80865333467477524922011-03-01T13:40:04.498-08:002011-03-01T13:40:04.498-08:00Inconceivable!Inconceivable!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38419864599422580422011-03-01T13:28:27.549-08:002011-03-01T13:28:27.549-08:00Yurie, few situations cannot be addressed by an ap...Yurie, few situations cannot be addressed by an appropriate line from The Princess Bride.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39569341347489475432011-03-01T13:27:38.076-08:002011-03-01T13:27:38.076-08:00Carson:
Thanks for your response, but I really do...Carson:<br /><br />Thanks for your response, but I really do not think you have read or seen much of Rob Bell from your responses. Mr. Bell colors so far outside the lines that there is no discernible picture left and the quotes of Mr. Bell you use are utterly stripped of their context. <br /><br />May I suggest that you read every post that is tagged, WYWTWIWYWTT, on this blog? It may give you a little background on what many of the commentators fear in the Rob Bell's of this world... <br /><br />Last, I am offended deeply that I was confused for Frank;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044277928052759074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37025978458912301752011-03-01T13:22:00.730-08:002011-03-01T13:22:00.730-08:00Whenever I hear/read Emergents use terms like &quo...Whenever I hear/read Emergents use terms like "God", "Bible", "Scripture", and "Love", this quote keeps coming to my mind, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." I think that's how I tend to sum up the whole movement.Yuriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18241662775221669029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60588358733410520762011-03-01T11:20:07.605-08:002011-03-01T11:20:07.605-08:00As far as the Bells are concerned, the first warni...As far as the Bells are concerned, the first warning that the Wicked Witch of the West had poisoned the poppy field should have been the statement in Christianity Astray that they (Rob Bell's wife) didn't know what most of the Bible meant. If I had a pastor and pastors' wife that didn't know what most of Scripture meant, I'd say it's time for dismissal. <br /><br />On another note, I am getting a bit tired of the current trend of asking for "specifics" when discussing a general problem. Of course, specificity is necessary at times. But quite often these days, those who ask for specifics really don't care much what the specific is. They will argue, twist, niggle, obfuscate, challenge and split hairs endlessly to the point that the original bone of contention is lost or people are too worn out to bother going on with the argument. Sound like pomo tactics? Yep. I'd say so. And we're on to every one of them.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34311014138616289642011-03-01T06:33:23.165-08:002011-03-01T06:33:23.165-08:00Naturgesetz,
In my comment, at least, the point o...Naturgesetz,<br /><br />In my comment, at least, the point of raising Bell's comment about people believing the Jesus saves us from God, was to say that he is there, correctly explaining the biblical view, only to repudiate it.<br /><br />Jesus sacrifice does indeed save us from God.<br /><br />It is His holy wrath, after all, that causes Him to cast the unrighteous into hell. The devil has nothing to do with that (except as one of the damned, I suppose)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52928642947589156272011-03-01T05:40:42.814-08:002011-03-01T05:40:42.814-08:00Dan,
Wouldn't it be more proper for Tom to ac...Dan,<br /><br />Wouldn't it be more proper for Tom to actually bring the coffe to their basement. I mean, you have to consider home field advantage.<br /><br />I can't really add much to this that hasn't been said already. Except that I am saddened and angered that there are so many people following false teaching. And even more angered that people twist Scripture in so many different ways. Although, I will share that my wife told me that a lady at our church was reading a book by Eckhart Tolle when she was lost, but just the name of Jesus in that book led her to go study and learn about the real Jesus and God used that to save her. So, yes, God does cause <b><i>all</i></b> things to work for the good of His elect (Romans 8:28). So God can even use the false teaching of Bell and others to bring people to the truith. That doesn't change our responsibility to defend our faith against these guys, but it is encouraging to hear/see how God works through it. Praise Yahweh!Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63269859896265568552011-03-01T05:15:37.009-08:002011-03-01T05:15:37.009-08:00Don't worry, Dan, Louw's mother and my mot...Don't worry, Dan, Louw's mother and my mother are sitting in a beautiful little tea-house right now working it all out.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80020558660524118892011-03-01T04:23:14.013-08:002011-03-01T04:23:14.013-08:00I want to know whether Chantry invited Louw's ...I want to know whether Chantry invited Louw's mother to coffee before taking off after her and her basement.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6032504399704823782011-03-01T04:15:27.401-08:002011-03-01T04:15:27.401-08:00I agree with Phil, Kevin DeYoung & Justin Tayl...I agree with Phil, Kevin DeYoung & Justin Taylor in all this. It's no hard thing to see that Bell is a wolf. He's not even wearing sheep's clothing, which makes it even more disheartening to see people actually defend him.<br /><br />One thing to keep in mind though, is that God uses people like Bell to test his people. Also to judge in real-time his non-people. You have read in the bible that He will cause those who continually reject Him to "love a lie". That is judgement here and now.<br /><br />Bell and his ilk fit right into the plan of God and are used whether knowingly or not.<br /><br />My heart goes out to you Phil, myself having xperienced the pain of back troubles in the past. It is no picnic. Hope all goes well for you.James Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701856303572677206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85042296481189365802011-03-01T03:08:53.375-08:002011-03-01T03:08:53.375-08:00Thomas Louw,
I could never blog in my mother'...Thomas Louw, <br /><br />I could never blog in my mother's basement! I just couldn't! (No internet down there.) I <i>have</i> done sermon prep in my mother's basement...Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5419033180689835612011-03-01T01:17:48.266-08:002011-03-01T01:17:48.266-08:00Tom Chantry
‘It's important to remember, too, ...Tom Chantry<br />‘It's important to remember, too, everyone, that Justin Taylor is not like the rest of us poor, slovenly bloggers in our mom's basements.”<br /><br />I dislike your tone how do you dare judge my mother’s basement. Have you seen my mother’s basement? Have you ever blogged in my mother’s basement.<br /><br />Your judgement of my mother’s basement is very underground and unchristianThomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77312702798059656472011-02-28T23:49:18.196-08:002011-02-28T23:49:18.196-08:00Well when John MacArthur was resting after his sur...Well when John MacArthur was resting after his surgery one of the things he did during recovery was watch TBN. He said that gave him more excruciating pain than recovering from his surgery.<br /><br />Hope all goes well.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52061724143631194342011-02-28T23:10:56.943-08:002011-02-28T23:10:56.943-08:00A couple of people have quoted the line from the v...A couple of people have quoted the line from the video, "Jesus saves us from God." As I heard him say those words, I thought he was putting that forward as something he does <i>not</i> believe. I thought he was saying that if it is true that that Father willfully creates people to condemn them, then we'd have to say that Jesus saves us from the Father, which would be absurd, because Jesus and the Father are one. I think he is saying that we must not imagine a damnation-desiring God the Father because it would mean that the Father and the Son are at cross purposes. Whereas in fact both are at Cross purposes. Both wish all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.<br /><br />In other words, Bell was using a <i>reductio ad absurdum</i> against the position he disagrees with. He's trying to say, "If you think God wants to send people to Hell, then you've got to believe that Jesus save us from God. So you can't believe that God wants to send people to Hell."<br /><br />I'm not saying his logic is perfect. He may be confused and not thinking clearly, But he's saying it's other people who would have to say that Jesus saves us from God.naturgesetzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15268507379933286863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4805846914709677032011-02-28T22:05:48.574-08:002011-02-28T22:05:48.574-08:00In the ensuing discussion here, two commenters hav...In the ensuing discussion here, two commenters have asked the same question which went unanswered. So I shall pass along the unfortunate news that Phil's surgery will prevent him from participating in this year's Shepherds' Conference. We GCC staff are as disappointed as you attendees.Sharonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14534421623031122881noreply@blogger.com