tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7676210538661335354..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Why God gave you parents, etc.Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36270892763944181872007-05-25T20:12:00.000-07:002007-05-25T20:12:00.000-07:00Frank:You mean I'm not already brilliant? Oh dear...Frank:<BR/><BR/>You mean I'm not already brilliant? Oh dear, I'm so embarrassed.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I could never be as brilliant as my hubby, no matter how many lumps he gets. Curiously, he has one on his forehead that almost every sunday school student we've ever had in the last ten years has asked about.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80726135833437231072007-05-25T18:00:00.000-07:002007-05-25T18:00:00.000-07:00This subject is something I have had to grapple wi...This subject is something I have had to grapple with over the last couple of years. Feeling a need to create independence for myself, I ignored my parents exhortations and made some very poor decisions. My independence WAS gained, but in the process I nearly ruined my own life and almost destroyed my relationship with my family. The ironic thing is, now, I realize they were right about almost everything they'd said in the very beginning. If I'd just listened, I would've saved myself much grief, but God had a greater plan and did not the let mistakes I made have a lasting effect. This blog was just a reminder of everything that has happened to me over the last two years. Thank you.separateunionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382316163972799774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72385174619911473572007-05-25T16:14:00.000-07:002007-05-25T16:14:00.000-07:00Are we there yet? Can I drive? Are there, yet? Whe...Are we there yet? Can I drive? Are there, yet? Where we going? Do we have to go there again? Are we there yet? What's this do?<BR/><BR/>Proverbs are mostly acredited to a man who seeming forgot them most of the time. They were given to him by parents who likewise didn't apply them well.<BR/><BR/>The proverbs though were expired by the Spirit by which Christ kept them perfectly for them and us.<BR/><BR/>Though our shining examples could not do what the proverbs said, faithyfully, always, they were still faithfully and always truthful to deliver the message and were pleasing servants and not like the unfaithful servant who is a pain to him who sent him.<BR/><BR/>Parents do not do all that they tell us. That does not negate the nuggets of wisdom embedded in the ore of their lives. We still must test those things like silver refined to see if they are of God.<BR/><BR/>When Jesus was twelve we encounter something that for Christians is a little different than the wisdom of the world. We see that praise had been perfected in the mouth of a child. Wisdom is proven right by her children. Mary had done her part, but now Jesus must be about his Father's business. Later, he would rebuke his mother again, and then again deny her because she thought him mad. "Who is my mother...he who keeps my commands." There comes a time when we as Christians must look past the fleshly relationships. In the economy of Christ those who are students, if they should learn anything must share it with their teacher. Then, there comes a time when even our parents, if we truly love them, we cease submission to them, and no longer listen to them, but instead become their keepers, responsible for their daily bread, if we have learned to listen the the Spirit of Christ in us.<BR/><BR/>In our relationship with the Father, our Elder Brother and the Holy Spirit, we will never rise even to their level, let alone above them. But in the real world, the lesser becomes the greater. We learn, not because all that our mentors in the flesh teach us is good, nor is all that they do good. But, they set a path for us to follow. In that they teach us that there is the Way, the Truth and the Life that is beyond them.<BR/><BR/>Along with my dictatorial paternal nature, as Lordodamanor, in all that I teach and do before my children I give them this weighty balance: "I do not want you to be like me. I cannot be trusted. The Word teaches us to trust not even the brethren, no, not even the woman at your breast. Trust God, His word is Truth. Fix your eyes on Christ the Author and Finisher of our faith and run with perserverance the path marked out before you. I am going to die, you must go on without me."Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42270078711995677542007-05-25T13:29:00.000-07:002007-05-25T13:29:00.000-07:00Sometimes, too, guys get into the position of "pro...Sometimes, too, guys get into the position of "professional et cetera" when they themselves have not taken ANY lumps. Like the youngsters who come out of Bible college or seminary. <BR/><BR/>I think we need more pastors who become pastors at 40 or 50.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4599955898960781792007-05-25T12:53:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:53:00.000-07:00I've been studying Proverbs for the past month and...I've been studying Proverbs for the past month and only on chapter 10. I've gleaned so much and as an adult I'm listening to those older than me, God put them there for a reason! Proverbs is a humble reminder of my own foolishness, and I'm able to spot a fool from a mile away :-)<BR/><BR/>Your post is timely.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13017858953269322111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4413155103660409032007-05-25T12:35:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:35:00.000-07:00The major "et cetera" in my life is my spouse. As ...The major "et cetera" in my life is my spouse. As a friend of mine used to say that had the same experience, "The Holy Spirit often speaks to me - in the voice of my wife."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21475337075335343252007-05-25T12:32:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:32:00.000-07:00Kim:If only you could learn from Buggy's lumps. Y...Kim:<BR/><BR/>If only you could learn from Buggy's lumps. You'd be brilliant.<BR/><BR/><BR/>:-)FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3655422340242037792007-05-25T12:07:00.000-07:002007-05-25T12:07:00.000-07:00I'm with Dan on this one: one doesn't have to be i...I'm with Dan on this one: one doesn't have to be in a full-time ministerial position to be an "et cetera" in another's life. In fact, some of my best friends and influences are et cetera.<BR/><BR/>FWIW, I have plenty of lumps. Mostly I think it's from eating too much, though. My waistline is way lumpy.Dr Finhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03952277343545804008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2324487069718677762007-05-25T11:55:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:55:00.000-07:00Maybe Reformed Theology really is just Christianit...Maybe Reformed Theology really is just Christianity for us nerds....Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2009804782046620502007-05-25T11:23:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:23:00.000-07:00Haec amo.<I>Haec amo</I>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15252343647310613092007-05-25T11:22:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:22:00.000-07:00Frank, if your lumps can teach me something valuab...Frank, if your lumps can teach me something valuable, I'll take what I can learn from them.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1258635491575838162007-05-25T11:13:00.000-07:002007-05-25T11:13:00.000-07:00There is a saying,"Omnia dicta fortiera si dicta L...There is a saying,"Omnia dicta fortiera si dicta Latina". With that in mind I humbly declare, with respect, that I tune in to this blog because I regard the fine thinkers among the Pyromaniacs to be among my "et cetera" and "et alii", and I mean this "ex animo".brentjthomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16197159838621341857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85580657868048411482007-05-25T10:34:00.000-07:002007-05-25T10:34:00.000-07:00Sewing, that's a good point. My wife was talking w...Sewing, that's a good point. My wife was talking with an Asian friend, who was very emphatically making the point that there's no "stop listening to your parents" in Asian culture.<BR/><BR/>The working model I adopted long ago: in minority years, parents are in the chain of command; after, they're in the chain of counsel.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41153205384926532302007-05-25T10:27:00.000-07:002007-05-25T10:27:00.000-07:00Also... you guys can always be my et cetera.You ha...Also... you guys can always be my et cetera.<BR/><BR/>You had me at the graphic of Phil tubing.Trinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862753729583546914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43088937476379054542007-05-25T10:21:00.000-07:002007-05-25T10:21:00.000-07:00That's a really great lesson!On the other side of ...That's a really great lesson!<BR/><BR/>On the other side of things, though, strive to not be the sort of parent/friend/adviser who says (metaphorically) "There is a lion outside! You'll be slain in the streets!" We need good, balanced advise, not just blanket, fearful warnings.Trinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11862753729583546914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17926034382433388322007-05-25T10:04:00.000-07:002007-05-25T10:04:00.000-07:00Once upon a time, a long time I ago, I took Luke 1...Once upon a time, a long time I ago, I took <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=49&chapter=14&verse=26&version=47&context=verse" REL="nofollow">Luke 14:26</A> to heart, except I omitted the rather crucial* "If anyone comes to me" part.<BR/><BR/>Oddly, I had to meet my wife and travel with her to South Korea to learn from a Confucian belief system what listening respectfully to elders—even when I thought they were completely wrong—really meant.<BR/><BR/>My comment doesn't really have a point, but, um, "good post."<BR/><BR/>* Pun intended.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40946795539375043812007-05-25T09:54:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:54:00.000-07:00Frank, if it weren't you, I'd tell you to re-read ...Frank, if it weren't you, I'd tell you to re-read the post.<BR/><BR/>You don't have to be a pastor to be an et cetera.<BR/><BR/>(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66411691821289531852007-05-25T09:48:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:48:00.000-07:00BTW, I may be about to contradict myself here as w...BTW, I may be about to contradict myself here as we work this out, so if I do, I'll gladly be everyone's et cetera.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14074134822246455962007-05-25T09:47:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:47:00.000-07:00I was with you until you said that we Pyros get to...I was with you until you said that we Pyros get to be the "et cetera".<BR/><BR/>Phil, as a pastor, is the only one of us who is ever remotely "et cetera". We're more like friends who have taken some lumps from which others can benefit.<BR/><BR/>Other than that, play on.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71112149407215205212007-05-25T09:46:00.000-07:002007-05-25T09:46:00.000-07:00Very nice exhortation.There are times when my prid...Very nice exhortation.<BR/><BR/>There are times when my pride fights against listening to good counsel. Though i for the most part will listen, and actually desire others, who are more mature, to share their thoughts and wisdom with me.<BR/>As far as those proud times, the Lord knows how to whittle me down, and He's faithful to do it. It sure don't feel too good, but in the long run it's for my good and His glory.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.com