tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7900940023052082016..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Relationship of Old and New in Messianic Prophecy: Huh? and Oh!Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11795606027562181992011-03-09T19:13:28.526-08:002011-03-09T19:13:28.526-08:00I love the Apostle Paul’s covenantal contours. He...I love the Apostle Paul’s covenantal contours. He sees the historical-redemptive fulfillment of the Old Testament covenantal paradigms in the framework of a glorious New (and promised) eschatological Exodus fulfillment . . . all converging in God’s ultimate and final revelation, Jesus Christ himself, the very New Covenant incarnated and written upon the tables of our hearts with his Spirit (Isaiah 42:6, 49:6-8, 55:3-4, John 1:14, 2 Cor. 3:3). I believe that Paul’s interpretive center was Christ and his governing hermeneutical approach to Scripture was promise-fulfillment. Stated simply, it means that Paul understood all of OT redemptive history, with its fleshly covenantal patterns, shadows, types, and figures, as pointing to the ultimate eschatological realization/fulfillment of Jesus Christ (Col. 2:17). In this way, Christ is seen as the new eschatological Adam who does not lead his Bride (the Church) into sin’s bondage, but rather redeems, liberates, justifies, and glorifies her. Christ and his Bride constitute the new eschatological Israel (Gal. 6:16), the true offspring of Abraham, who are circumcised not in the foreskin of the flesh but in the heart by the Holy Spirit. Christ is the true Passover lamb whose atoning blood brings about a glorious New Exodus redemption. Christ is the new eschatological Moses, the mediator of the New Covenant, whom we serve, not in the way of the written code but the new way of the Spirit (Rom. 7:6). The church now comes to Mt. Zion and no longer to Mt. Sinai, with the Pentecost-event itself closely recapitulating the timeline, signs, and patterns of the Sinai-event. Christ and his Bride are the new eschatological temple, filled with the glory and righteousness of God through the Spirit. Christ is the eschatological son of David and Isaiah’s suffering servant. I could go on . . . but in my humble opinion, the eschatological trajectory of Paul’s Christ-centered theology fulfills the Old and makes the New Covenant truly new and glorious.John Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008638529128561720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27412790787088351642011-03-09T04:22:40.239-08:002011-03-09T04:22:40.239-08:00Rachael - I like it. (c:
Burrito - fair enough, ...Rachael - I like it. (c:<br /><br />Burrito - fair enough, and good point. It's part of why I worked in some minor wiggle-room in saying "<i>Many</i> mysteries ...all those <i>central</i> mysteries are resolved." I don't mean to say that the NT leaves no unanswered question, or no mystery. But central issues such as the nature of God and so on are addressed and brought into the light.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61069870933893448172011-03-08T23:17:27.636-08:002011-03-08T23:17:27.636-08:00Two thoughts occurred to me about this blog post:
...Two thoughts occurred to me about this blog post:<br /><br />(1) It's a shame that many cults, ancient and modern, have taken many "huh's" you described, and forced them into "oh's" that were never intended by Scripture. For example, the Mormons twist monotheism into some weird mix of monolatry and polytheism.<br /><br />(2)I believe as far as eschatology goes, as to end-time prophecies yet to be fulfilled, how many "huh's" are going to become "oh's" in ways that we cannot clearly see or imagine now.Burrito34https://www.blogger.com/profile/04326575419406343733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25892265405586233132011-03-08T21:10:46.907-08:002011-03-08T21:10:46.907-08:00And don't forget that, very shortly after &quo...And don't forget that, very shortly after "Oh!" comes - <br /><br />"Hooray!"Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59921699439689899512011-03-08T20:39:02.770-08:002011-03-08T20:39:02.770-08:00This is by far the best summary about the relation...This is by far the best summary about the relationship between the OT and NT I have ever read.<br /><br />I guess even the trolls just passed through because they couldn’t find any holes or they just “Huh?” at you.<br /><br />Hey Robert did you know Spurgeon actually wrote a commentary on Matthew, just heard that yesterday. I think because of Matthew’s use of the OT there might be some good stuff in there as swell.Thomas Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08406486510590654502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79422340313267063922011-03-08T14:58:05.465-08:002011-03-08T14:58:05.465-08:00"The NT takes the OT's "Huh?" o..."The NT takes the OT's "Huh?" of penultimate bafflement, and transforms it into the "Oh!" of ultimate fulfillment."<br /><br />Sweet as a nut!<br /><br />Thanks, dan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13924248234489723332011-03-08T12:44:25.629-08:002011-03-08T12:44:25.629-08:00I think Paul agrees with you...
[8] To me, though...I think Paul agrees with you...<br /><br />[8] To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, [9] and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things, [10] so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. [11] This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, [12] in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him. (Ephesians 3:8-12)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301648487774699607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32976234610711909252011-03-08T12:04:02.007-08:002011-03-08T12:04:02.007-08:00By the way, if you're still looking for resour...By the way, if you're still looking for resources for preaching Christ from the OT, I am reading "Spurgeon's Sermon Notes" and just read his notes on a sermon about Joseph and he does a wonderful job of showing how "it (the story of Joseph) is chiefly useful to us as being marvelously typical of the life of our Lord Jesus." I have heard people describe him as a type, but Spurgeon included some things that I had not heard (or just don't remember). I am sure that he does the same in his other OT sermons and this book provides sermon outlines and commentary for 264 of his sermons that span across all of the Bible (almost exactly half of the book covers sermons on the OT).Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8283105896906419742011-03-08T11:03:57.880-08:002011-03-08T11:03:57.880-08:00"Huh?" and "Oh!" -- I like tha..."Huh?" and "Oh!" -- I like that. Most excellent. :-)RomansOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00115441530725534973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58943269742350241062011-03-08T10:42:54.722-08:002011-03-08T10:42:54.722-08:00I wrote that the true nature of biblical faith is:...I wrote that the true nature of biblical faith is:<br /><br />"Repentance and forgiveness of sins through a substitutionary atonement provided by God."<br /><br />Sorry, that's the <i>Gospel.</i> Old Testament believers clearly understood the true nature of the <i>Gospel.</i><br /><br />But especially as summed up in Hebrews 11, they also understood the true nature of biblical faith, which this humble sinner would define as "believing and acting upon the promises of God."Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4495446238749249582011-03-08T10:37:32.222-08:002011-03-08T10:37:32.222-08:00"Huh?" and "Oh!" is much more ..."Huh?" and "Oh!" is much more tangible and down-to-earth than "type"/"antitype" or "shadow"/"substance." Good lesson.<br /><br />Re Lynda's question...good question. Peter seems to answer yes, that believing Jews knew what was to come:<br /><br />"Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories." (1 Peter 1:10-11)<br /><br />Peter writes there of the sufferings <i>and</i> glories of Christ, bringing together both aspects of Messianic prophecies.<br /><br />And yet, who could have seen exactly what was to come? Although many were awaiting a Messiah—and many clearly understood the true nature of biblical faith (repentance and forgiveness of sins through a substitutionary atonement provided by God), no one seems to have put all the pieces together until Jesus Christ Himself appeared in incarnate form.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69559631759652542072011-03-08T09:03:42.079-08:002011-03-08T09:03:42.079-08:00I am thoroughly enjoying this foray into the OT. T...I am thoroughly enjoying this foray into the OT. Training for possible eldership, I want desperately to better comprehend Christ in the OT, as such was the Bible Jesus and His Apostles used to preach Christ to the Jew and Gentile. Seeing Christ in all of Scripture (all roads lead to Rome) is my goal. For the glory of his name!Stuart Brogdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05293983517209519257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90057403199006139362011-03-08T08:03:38.112-08:002011-03-08T08:03:38.112-08:00Ezekiel.
Huh?
Revelation.
Oh!Ezekiel.<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />Revelation.<br /><br />Oh!James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76754219113118063532011-03-08T07:38:00.268-08:002011-03-08T07:38:00.268-08:00Yes indeed, a nice study -- "huh?" and &...Yes indeed, a nice study -- "huh?" and "oh!" often does explain these seeming contradictions. It is so much easier for us to understand, and so how much more thankful we should be for the complete revealed Word of God.<br /><br />I wonder sometimes if any of the OT saints understood the full picture. We often like to group them all together and wonder how much they understood, but it really came down to an individual level. Just as today, some believers have very great understanding while others (living in the same time period) have very little understanding -- and so I'm inclined to think that some (perhaps only a few) of them really did have a very good understanding. <br /><br />Jesus Himself expected that His followers were capable of understanding everything, both the suffering and the exaltation to glory, from the revealed OT -- and called the two believers on the Emmaus road "slow" and "foolish" for not understanding it. <br /><br />It was all there -- though they had to study much more diligently to understand it, than we need to. In a similar manner today, some believers have greater understanding concerning the things yet future, because the subject requires much more diligence in study, whereas others just throw up their hands and claim indifference and "pious agnosticism" -- because it's always easier to understand the things that have already happened, than those things mentioned in scripture that haven't taken place yet within human history.Lynda Ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01755739519555633760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71921213915870471672011-03-08T06:16:59.852-08:002011-03-08T06:16:59.852-08:00Ezekiel.
Huh?
Revelation.
Oh!Ezekiel.<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />Revelation.<br /><br />Oh!James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49501211512497375602011-03-08T05:28:47.638-08:002011-03-08T05:28:47.638-08:00This is quite funny to me that you wrote this. I ...This is quite funny to me that you wrote this. I was just contemplating how Isaiah would have thought of the Messiah after writing Isaiah 52:13-53:12. And you can take that and apply it to any of the authors and prophets of the OT. And then think about those who read/heard the prophecies. There are a whole lot of "huh?"'s in there. Just imagine if you lived before the birth of Jesus and reading through Scripture...what would that leave us contemplating? Whereas we now have the complete testimony of the life of Jesus and how He fulfilled the prophecies about His first coming. How sad it is that we do not marvel nearly enough and treasure the complete Word of God that we have at our hands.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79598214135370548362011-03-08T05:02:07.737-08:002011-03-08T05:02:07.737-08:00Very nice study. Thanks.
2 Sam. 7:14 is still a Hu...Very nice study. Thanks.<br />2 Sam. 7:14 is still a Huh? for me though. Is this verse referring to Jesus, or Solomon?donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55223049614047955542011-03-08T04:55:38.422-08:002011-03-08T04:55:38.422-08:00My very favorite such moment is in the statement o...My very favorite such moment is in the statement of God's name in Exodus 34 - "...forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty..."<br /><br />Huh?<br /><br />But we are justified through union with Christ?<br /><br />Oh!Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.com