tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post8123959971474655594..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: James 4:4Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43036289778327725402009-03-03T07:47:00.000-08:002009-03-03T07:47:00.000-08:00Phil and Chad,I, for one, wasn’t calling Chad unch...Phil and Chad,<BR/><BR/>I, for one, wasn’t calling Chad uncharitable for his stand for truth. I was calling him uncharitable for, well, his uncharitableness. His stand for the full-edged gospel was admirable. His personal jabs were, I thought, regrettable. When he says to Mr. Brush, “I dare say, if you don't believe that yourself, then you must find yourself still under the wrath of God.” and “It's no wonder that you find the mention of [hell] offensive. I suspect you are still afraid of it,” he veers from discussing what’s at issue to taking a swipe at Mr. Brush himself. I guess we’re all grown up enough to discern the difference between those two things. <BR/><BR/>Like you said, kids are spoon-fed pomo sensibilities in the highchair. The results have been disasterous for the Church and our culture. Thank you for having the guts to say so with a faithful voice. By your example, bobble-heads like me are made a little bolder. <BR/><BR/>But even before the highchair, from the very crib, us kids learn how to claw and bite and devour our brothers and sisters. For this lesson, in fact, we need no teacher but the flesh. That this tendency will sometimes rear its ugly head in a saint of God defending the gospel should hardly surprise us. None of us are immune. But when it does, what do we do? Turn a blind eye? I believe an opportunity was lost here to show some transparency and humility. If doing that seems to weaken one’s stand for the Gospel, I guess God can make up the difference. <BR/><BR/>Being wise as serpents and harmless as doves is no easy task. Ever. I fail at it most always. But we’re not given the luxury to choose between being bold and being blameless. We’re told to be both. Even when being bold seems so rare these days. Unfortunately, it’s often the simplest Christian duties that are casualties of the fray.<BR/><BR/>There. Two unsolicited cents from your friendly internet scold.Dave Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12640603898606526007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45788234071070318412009-03-02T17:51:00.000-08:002009-03-02T17:51:00.000-08:00Tom T.,First, the Bible is always relevant :-)Seco...Tom T.,<BR/><BR/>First, the Bible is always relevant :-)<BR/><BR/>Second, I believe Grace Church (Phil, you were there then?) was decried back in the 70's for having someone playing the guitar. I seem to remember Dr. MacArthur saying somthing about it...<BR/><BR/><I>The Squirrel</I>The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4251129122380056412009-03-02T16:48:00.000-08:002009-03-02T16:48:00.000-08:00Thank you all for the lively debate... I'm lovin' ...Thank you all for the lively debate... I'm lovin' it! I only have two related questions for everyone.<BR/><BR/>1. In the opinion of those folks who are active participants in this Blog, is there an example of a church or churches, where they sought to be relevant, while at the same time sought to teach biblically sound truths (i.e. reformed theology)?<BR/>2. Was there EVER a church or churches, where they sought to be relevant while at the same time taught biblically sound truths... that wasn't then subject to ridicule by those believers who disagreed with their style, or music, or location, etc., etc.?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91203174325094658972009-03-02T06:16:00.000-08:002009-03-02T06:16:00.000-08:00"Brush" not "Bush"Golly, I couldn't type last nigh..."Brush" not "Bush"<BR/><BR/>Golly, I couldn't type last night :-)<BR/><BR/><I>The Squirrel</I>The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13199821855876648922009-03-02T00:05:00.000-08:002009-03-02T00:05:00.000-08:00David:The first 112 comments didn't even menti...David:<BR/><BR/>The first 112 comments didn't even mention the name "Calvin" once, and the closest this discussion has gotten to "Calvinist" distinctives have been a few comments on the doctrine of election—which is not a "Calvinist" concept <I>per se,</I> but a plainly biblical concept.<BR/><BR/>Arminian commentor <I>par excellence</I> Johnny Dialectic even went so far as to quote Wesley, who in the way he described Hell, was apparently also a "Calvinist ditto-head." (And JD is not the only regular Arminian commentor here, either.)<BR/><BR/>I too appreciate KM's perspective, and the fact that he/she arrived at his/her conclusions after reading through the Bible.<BR/><BR/>The funny thing is that most of the people on this blog are at where they're at for the same reason KM is, because of years of searching the Scriptures, praying, and reading. We come from many different backgrounds—atheists; liberals; fundies; mainstream evangelicals; charismatics—and yet all of us, at some point or over the course of many years, realized that what we saw of the professing Christianity around us didn't square with what the Bible says.<BR/><BR/>As for the accusation that there's no true dialogue here and that this thread "lack[s] a common Christian charity and openness to any discussion," I observe that the first two people to reply directly to your first comment—Daryl and Eric—managed to disagree with you while still being gracious in their replies, and were in fact engaging you in dialogue. You responded to Daryl, however, that his comment "lack[ed] a hope in the transformational purposes of Christ." You replied to Eric by labelling yourself as a "heretical Arminian/Anabaptist brother" (!?) and taking his mention of Jesus' saving the elect (a biblical concept first and foremost, and only secondarily a Calvinist concept), by throwing a red herring and asking why God would "elect anyone for hell."<BR/><BR/>(And by the way, I'm a baptized member of a confessional Anabaptist church.)<BR/><BR/>It seems as if you came here with a certain preconception of the reaction you would get, and then allowed the comments to play out in a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8957526296730510722009-03-01T19:37:00.000-08:002009-03-01T19:37:00.000-08:00"Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recomp..."Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire TAKING VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and they that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall PUNISH WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of His power." 2The 1:6-9.<BR/><BR/>"And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up FOREVER AND EVER; and they HAVE NO REST day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever recieveth the mark of his name." Rev 14:11andy spauldinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09584663061770078628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15356555342977561112009-03-01T18:58:00.000-08:002009-03-01T18:58:00.000-08:00Amazing, standing for the truth makes you uncharit...Amazing, standing for the truth makes you uncharitable.<BR/><BR/><B>Joshua Cookingham</B><BR/><BR/>Don't sweat it. I'm sorry that I was coarse with you. Please forgive me.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13849944722002336122009-03-01T18:13:00.000-08:002009-03-01T18:13:00.000-08:00studies not studie -- my badThe Squirrelstudies <I>not</I> studie -- my bad<BR/><BR/><I>The Squirrel</I>The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89370864680485415002009-03-01T18:10:00.000-08:002009-03-01T18:10:00.000-08:00"If you want to build a community of independent t...<I>"If you want to build a community of independent thinkers I guess you have lost. If you want a bunch of Calvinist ditto-heads then I guess your mission has been accomplished."</I><BR/><BR/>Mr. Bush,<BR/><BR/>In reading through the comment thread, it is very clear to me that people were dealing with your <I>arguments</I> and finding them lacking. Some even rose to your defense, if not to support of your position, when they believed that you were being treated unkindly. Now, finally, after 3 days, you reveal your true position as an annihilationist.<BR/><BR/>You, Sir, have been given a fair hearing, and have been allowed to dialogue freely. Your snarkiness shows your true colors.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I <I>am</I> a Calvinist Ditto-head! Being both Reformed in my theology (as derived from <I>my studie</I> of Scripture) and a regular listener, fan of Mr. Limbaugh's, and a Rush 24/7 member :-)<BR/><BR/><I>The Squirrel</I><BR/><BR/>(Dittos, Phil, on todays Spurgeon quote!) :-)The Squirrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14082708506676251152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60181838551889400002009-03-01T17:38:00.000-08:002009-03-01T17:38:00.000-08:00For the record I do not deny the eternal nature of...For the record I do not deny the eternal nature of punishment for sin. I do however believe that while it is eternal in sentence, in that it can never be reversed one pronounced, that the unrepentant soul is utterly destroyed by God. Indeed an annihilation theology is not completely tenable, however I find it more plausible. Either way there is no joy for the damned, indeed it is utter despair, misery and regret that will burn within them when they realize the grace they resisted.<BR/><BR/>Do I believe God's holiness is an all consuming fire? You-betcha. And indeed the Almighty is terrible to behold and worthy of fearful reverence.<BR/><BR/>As for the Hell Jesus describes, Gehenna it is/was a real place outside of Jerusalem where the refuse of society was cast. Indeed there was no hope of return or of relief from the fires. I do believe his use of Gehenna faithfully represents the punishment awaiting those that refuse grace. The natural cycle of garbage disposal however is that it eventually succumbs to the process of death and decay and is no more. Believe me I have no rose colored glasses. I do however believe that most of the imagery and the grotesque power afforded Satan is largely the result of the over saturation of Roman Catholic, inquisition style imagery.<BR/><BR/>That being said, you do not know me well enough to speak for me. Just as I made a gross mistake and caricature of you and other Calvinists in my comments in a poor choice of words, so you make the same mistake of my beliefs and many others.<BR/><BR/>Either way the back-scratching and the free-pass you give Calvinists here shows you lack a common Christian charity and openness to any discussion. I wonder if the comments on this blog are intended to create dialogue, as most blogs are, or to build each others egos and acquire 'yes men'. In the majority of the responses I saw little of the fruit of the spirit manifested. Intellectual smugness was pervasive and arrogance seemed par for the course.<BR/><BR/>If you want to build a community of independent thinkers I guess you have lost. If you want a bunch of Calvinist ditto-heads then I guess your mission has been accomplished.<BR/><BR/>KM, thanks for being the only true Calvinist and independent thinker on here. I believe you are a Calvinist for the right reasons, because you have read the Bible and believed it, not just because Calvin said it.<BR/><BR/>To all, if I was unfair I apologize.David Brushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03121480271119877933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19425859521451101892009-03-01T16:41:00.000-08:002009-03-01T16:41:00.000-08:00Okay, I see your point Phil. thanks.Sorry for any ...Okay, I see your point Phil. thanks.<BR/>Sorry for any disturbance on my part.<BR/><BR/>And Chad, I ask your forgiveness if my statements offended or hurt you in any way. For the record, I'm not siding with David in his beliefs concerning hell, I was just concerned that he wasn't being represented fairly, sorry.<BR/><BR/>God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83823403799294284202009-03-01T16:33:00.000-08:002009-03-01T16:33:00.000-08:00I was trying to stay out of this. But I can't.I ha...I was trying to stay out of this. But I can't.<BR/><BR/>I have lots of sympathy for young people nowadays who have been indoctrinated with postmodern notions about language from the first time they were old enough to watch the children's fare on Saturday Morning TV. So this is not a personal poke at <B>Joshua Cookingham.</B><BR/><BR/>But let's analyze this: One of the first principles of the postmodern worldview is that all language is inherently imprecise. Everyday speech is full of figures of speech--hyperbole, symbolism, metaphor, etc. So that's one canon of postmodern dogma is that we need to interpret such language in context. For the most part, we would agree with that. A woodenly literal approach to language usually results in absurdities.<BR/><BR/>And yet, ironically, one of the most popular postmodern pastimes is picking ideas apart based on the technicalities of words' literal meanings.<BR/><BR/>Consider, for example, the scoldings <B>Chad V.</B> has been getting in this thread for pointing out a basic fact: <B>David Brush</B> is subtly arguing against practically everything the Bible says about hell. In essence, Chad says, Brush doesn't really believe in hell at all.<BR/><BR/><I>He is right.</I> Mr. Brush denies that punishment for sin is eternal; he doesn't believe fearing God entails any real <I>fear;</I> and he prefers to reimagine the New Testament's teaching about eternal torment as something more like universal reconciliation. He's <I>not</I> merely quibbling over whether the flames in the lake of fire are literal fire-and-brimstone <I>flames;</I> he simply doesn't like the idea of punishment for sin at all; it is not compatible with his idea of God; and he would prefer to describe the afterlife of the wicked in totally different terms. In short, he <I><B>doesn't</B></I> believe in hell as Jesus described it.<BR/><BR/>Now, <I><B>David Brush</B></I> might well insist that he believes in a <I>kind of</I> hell, he has just toned it down a bit in a spasm of contextualization--trying to suit the message to these more-enlightened times.<BR/><BR/>Likewise someone else might insist that he too believes in hell; but he imagines hell as a an all-purple world totally upholstered in Naugahyde, where all the background music is Freddie Mercury. So he tells people that's what hell is like--not at all like what Jesus described.<BR/><BR/>I would certainly say a person like that doesn't <I>really</I> believe in hell at all--with all due respect to Mr. Mercury.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, it's a little irksome to see so much passion and fire aimed at rebuking Chad V. for pointing out in plain (albeit unqualified) language what is being said and implied, especially while it seems a more than equal amount of energy is being expended to be as friendly and magnanimous as possible to the person who is relentlessly contradicting Jesus.<BR/><BR/>In microcosm, that's a very fine illustration of what is wrong with the evangelical temperament today.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6711736541103024542009-03-01T11:00:00.000-08:002009-03-01T11:00:00.000-08:00Po-Mo nonsense.Po-Mo nonsense.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51983709931199052612009-03-01T07:32:00.000-08:002009-03-01T07:32:00.000-08:00"No, hell is eternal torment. He denies such a thi..."No, hell is eternal torment. He denies such a thing, he does not believe in hell."<BR/><BR/>No Chad, that's not an accurate statement. He believes in a soft hell, sure, not Hell not existing. If you want to say that he doesn't believe in hell as it really is, but don't say he doesn't believe in Hell period. <BR/><BR/>"Oh, and if you don't have THE Gospel, then you have NO gospel."<BR/><BR/>You miss my point. I agreed with him that our human UNDERSTANDING of the Gospel is not THE Gospel, that is, as God wills it. In this case, his flawed concept of hell. That's what I meant. I place THE Gospel as far more important than man's often flawed concepts.<BR/><BR/>God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34308329160151686202009-02-28T23:46:00.000-08:002009-02-28T23:46:00.000-08:00Chad,Amen!!!Chad,<BR/><BR/>Amen!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37301040169073855172009-02-28T20:53:00.000-08:002009-02-28T20:53:00.000-08:00No, hell is eternal torment. He denies such a thi...No, hell is eternal torment. He denies such a thing, he does not believe in hell. <BR/><BR/>Go play semantic games with someone else. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and if you don't have THE Gospel, then you have NO gospel.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39792202653658496442009-02-28T19:39:00.000-08:002009-02-28T19:39:00.000-08:00"It has become patently clear that you don't belie..."It has become patently clear that you don't believe in hell in the first place"<BR/><BR/>Chaaaad....No it's not. His understanding of Hell is fluffy, not non-existent. Knock off the borderline slander. He never said that .<BR/><BR/>David:<BR/><BR/>Hell as a place of suffering is NOT a Roman Catholic Myth. Even the way you described it, as seperation from God, screams of suffering. But I agree with you 100% that our gospel is not THE Gospel.<BR/><BR/>God bless guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13931207190841224512009-02-28T14:35:00.000-08:002009-02-28T14:35:00.000-08:00Stefen,I know you’re right because it was in my fo...Stefen,<BR/><BR/>I know you’re right because it was in my former church too. But, the church I discussed does not identify itself as “emergent.” I have identified it as such because a number of things this blog has mentioned in criticism of the emerg* church exist in mine (a large number). Were it not for this blog I wouldn’t have known what the EC even was. But, since I have gotten educated on the subject I’m able to identify characteristics that are definitely from that place. In fact, I’m convinced that the new staff hires are all emerg* and have taken the advice of Neo in McClaren’s stupid book and are “infiltrating” our youth group and worship team. <BR/><BR/>I guess that was part of my motivation for commenting on David’s statement before. It’s all too easy for a church (or individual) with a bit of inaccuracy to be blind to the coming flood.<BR/><BR/>kmKimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692220104351224461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23035063155421742262009-02-28T14:03:00.000-08:002009-02-28T14:03:00.000-08:00I would venture to say that that belief is pervasi...I would venture to say that that belief is <B><I>pervasive</I></B> in the evangelical church, and not just limited to some churches that identify themselves as "emergent." (And it is probably fair to say that some "emergents" adhere more closely to the orthodox view.)<BR/><BR/>I had just never before been able to put my finger on the essence of the heterodox position.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17228405480905613132009-02-28T13:51:00.000-08:002009-02-28T13:51:00.000-08:00I do want to add that not every church with a visi...I do want to add that not every church with a vision of Jesus as a savior from captivity to Satan looks like the one I described. They don’t all pray weird prayers, though a lot of them do. But, they all do something that isn’t taught or even suggested in the Word with the end goal being healing/deliverance/better life, etc. And, they all have Biblical backing to make it sound believable.<BR/><BR/>kmKimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692220104351224461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-92123865323614664062009-02-28T13:28:00.000-08:002009-02-28T13:28:00.000-08:00Stefan,That is exactly the way I would put it.And,...Stefan,<BR/><BR/>That is exactly the way I would put it.<BR/><BR/>And, to add to that I would also say that the latter camp is incredibly convincing because people actually do experience (as in an actual feeling) something that can be labeled as deliverance or healing or whatever. I did. But, it was not sufficient or consistent and it relied a lot on the participant constantly scrutinizing his/her habits and behaviors and praying weird prayers to be “delivered.” It also required submitting oneself to others so they could pray even weirder prayers over you and often I didn’t agree with what was being said so I couldn’t allow that. <BR/><BR/>I guess it was a good thing I hadn’t been successfully “delivered” from my tendencies to rebel against bizzaro authority figures. :)<BR/><BR/>kmKimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692220104351224461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85422925816554918862009-02-28T13:21:00.000-08:002009-02-28T13:21:00.000-08:00The Scriptures are replete with references to an e...The Scriptures are replete with references to an eternal place of suffering and darkness reserved for the unregenerate after physical death. And since that is true, there is no greater issue than the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the only escape from being cast into that place forever.<BR/><BR/>And as Spurgeon noted in numerous places, never let us banter about such a place with an aloofness that seems careless about sinners and that does not reflect the awful price that was paid for our eternal escape. May the Lamb that was slain be praised forevermore.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48338538336340883342009-02-28T12:53:00.000-08:002009-02-28T12:53:00.000-08:00KM:Perhaps you can help, because your last comment...KM:<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you can help, because your last comment mentioned came close to encapsulating a theology that appears in many places, but which I haven't exactly been able to put my finger on.<BR/><BR/>At the risk of being overly reductionistic, could it come down to this?<BR/><BR/>One camp believes (and we affirm that the Bible says) that God sent Jesus Christ to save us from His own judgement.<BR/><BR/>Another camp believes that God sent Jesus Christ to save us from captivity to Satan.<BR/><BR/>Is this far off the mark?Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54358974969841832962009-02-28T12:17:00.000-08:002009-02-28T12:17:00.000-08:00“As for my understanding of Hell, I believe that a...“As for my understanding of Hell, I believe that an eternal realm of unmitigated suffering and pain in which humans are constantly tormented is largely a remnant of Roman Catholic mythology. That statement does not mean that I believe all souls go to heaven.”<BR/><BR/>I am concerned about this statement. What it says reveals where you are and where you are is a dangerous place. I’ve been a part of a type of emerging church environment. In fact I am still connected to that environment to some extent. As a result of that I have felt like screaming when I’d read some comments from people, particularly at this blog. I’ve always felt the urge, like you, to remind these commenters that Jesus is about love and restoration to God.<BR/><BR/>But, as I mentioned in my last comment I really like to read the Bible. It’s what I trust and it’s what I believe in. Period. Given that, I have had to do some personal battles with my own understandings of God. Through the scripture the Lord has made it perfectly clear that an understanding of God as the absolute authority with specific plans that only He fully knows has been missing from my vision of Him. <BR/><BR/>Sure, I would say that I believed Him to be the ultimate authority. But, like many in my current church I also have believed that my sins were not necessarily sins but rather responses to being brought up in neglectful, insensitive environment. Rather than being taught I need to repent of my beliefs because they are wrong and are sins against God I was taught that I needed to repent for cooperating with the enemy so I could receive God’s “healing.”<BR/><BR/>The reason I’m mentioning this is because I was absolutely convinced that these teaching were correct. They had Biblical backing and though they didn’t sit right with me at first I believed the more experienced believers in my church when they said that it was all because the enemy didn’t want me to learn the “truth.”<BR/><BR/>If I had not continued to pursue thinking and praying about the parts of the Word that weren’t matching up with what I was being taught I would have never found the real truth. I gelled with my church and that’s why I chose that one. I felt strongly that we all agreed on what being a christian looks like. But, as I started taking steps based on things the Lord was revealing to me through His word I discovered that my church and I were not on the same page after all. They didn’t believe in literally trying to do what the Word says because God wants it. They believe in something else and as it turns out I don’t know what that something is exactly. But, were it not for God teaching me through His word and the grace for me to get it I would never have known that. <BR/><BR/>That quoted statement above is not true. That image of hell is the exact one Jesus talked about over and over again. It’s the hell the rich man went to while Lazaras was in heaven with Abraham in that parable. What is quoted above comes from some other “teaching.” It is not the Word and it is not right.<BR/><BR/>No judgement, David, I just don’t want you to be deceived.<BR/><BR/>KM<BR/><BR/>Sorry for deviating from the main point.Kimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692220104351224461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-968791622722059852009-02-28T12:02:00.000-08:002009-02-28T12:02:00.000-08:00In the words of John the Baptist speaking of the L...In the words of John the Baptist speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ<BR/><BR/>"His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with <B>unquenchable fire.</B>”Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.com