tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post8266832684103580373..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Jesus and homosexuality (NEXT! #1)Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90237255767340664172009-02-09T05:59:00.000-08:002009-02-09T05:59:00.000-08:00I kinda typed faster than I thought back there. Sh...I kinda typed faster than I thought back there. Should be:<BR/><BR/>"If He didn't say something concerning the Word, or what was already written in it, then, as per His words, "not one iota will fall away," and "I have not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it" it is safe to assume He meant to leave it as it is. [Homosexuality is] An abomination. "Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941578069466896296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30950111684645051702009-02-09T05:53:00.000-08:002009-02-09T05:53:00.000-08:00Respectabiggle: genius.Respectabiggle: genius.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941578069466896296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22291702953454703722009-02-09T05:51:00.000-08:002009-02-09T05:51:00.000-08:00Aside from Jesus' message concerning the "nearness...Aside from Jesus' message concerning the "nearness" of the Kingdom of God, He rarely spoke on the Law except to clear something up that was taken the wrong way or change it back to its proper base form, ie the spirit of the Word. "You have heard that... but I tell you..." (eg, marriage, divorce, cleanliness)<BR/>If He didn't say something concerning the Word, or what was already written in it, then, as per His words, "not one iota will fall away," and "I have not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it" it is safe to assume He meant to leave it as it is. An abomination. <BR/><BR/>I have also be told recently that not accepting homosexuals is discrimination. <BR/>Discrimination in an of it self isn't bad, just wise! Its when we discriminate again <I>people</I> for things they have no control over (but God does), eg race, sex or nationality that is bad. Homosexuality is an act, a decision and lifestyle, not an inherited gene or mutation. (I think that is a cop out, like "God made me this way") You might as well ask me not to discriminate against thieves in my shop! I discriminate against sin!<BR/><BR/><BR/>... hmmm. crudolla. that wasn't short and pithy at all...Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941578069466896296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2219828289265579422009-02-07T11:41:00.000-08:002009-02-07T11:41:00.000-08:00"Perhaps we need a five-year moratorium on making ...<I>"Perhaps we need a five-year moratorium on making pronouncements."<BR/>-B.M.</I><BR/><BR/>"B.M." is certainly an accurate designation of the quality of such an idea.<BR/><BR/>;o)Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73564794679232330872009-02-07T09:58:00.000-08:002009-02-07T09:58:00.000-08:00I know this may be a bit off topic, (not to mentio...I know this may be a bit off topic, (not to mention a bit late) but could someone provide biblical support for this statement:<BR/><BR/>"The short "answer" to your question is since we are not under the Israel theocracy and the Old Covenant was done away with, there is no requirement for the civil magistrate to punish as a capital offense, homosexuality and Sabbath breakers ,e.g. (just to name a few from an already reduced list from God the crimes that are all technically capital offenses - every sin, thoughts, words and deeds)."<BR/><BR/>I know people who would disagree and say that we should stone people for homosexuality and adultery and the like. I tend to agree more with the quoted statement, but it would be cool if the author or someone could provide some biblical support for that.Trevorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16247808459402110435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69623601428398162762009-02-05T13:50:00.000-08:002009-02-05T13:50:00.000-08:00"There are sins you adopt, and there are sins you'..."There are sins you adopt, and there are sins you're born with. People are born gay - but no one is born greedy."<BR/><BR/>Hmm. When our daughters were born, they didn't care whom they inconvenienced, they wanted to be fed when they wanted to eat. And the fact that they had just finished nursing 30 minutes earlier didn't stop them from wanting more. Sounds like we're born greedy to me.<BR/><BR/>One of the first words my toddler learned after "mommy" and "daddy" was "mine" and "mío" (Spanish for 'mine', we're a bilingual family). <BR/><BR/>I tell anyone who doesn't believe in original sin to spend an hour working in the church nursery. <BR/><BR/>It all comes back to selfishness, wanting our own way. <BR/><BR/>Satan wanted for himself the glory that belonged to God alone.<BR/><BR/>Adam and Eve wanted to be like God, knowing good and evil. They were led to believe that God was holding out on them, and wanted more than He had given them (and they already had everything they needed).<BR/><BR/>The argument that someone is "born gay" is just one more example of selfishness: wanting the satisfaction of our fallen nature's desire over what God says we need.Brian Rodenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00026316545177087233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13303975316034381692009-02-04T14:07:00.000-08:002009-02-04T14:07:00.000-08:00R.D. Baily:Are you serious...or are you being pith...R.D. Baily:<BR/><BR/>Are you serious...or are you being pithy?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63609521086679238652009-02-04T11:42:00.000-08:002009-02-04T11:42:00.000-08:00I... think mine's more thought-provoking.(c;I... think mine's more thought-provoking.<BR/><BR/>(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42261435165457946312009-02-04T11:39:00.000-08:002009-02-04T11:39:00.000-08:00My even more brusque reply: "So what?" The follow-...My even more brusque reply: <BR><BR/>"So what?"<BR/><BR> <BR><BR/>The follow-up to that is to ask why it matters what Jesus said. The responses to this likely back the interlocutor into one of the two or three potential rhetorical corners pretty rapidly.Tom Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439152487935038636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30037406110845323872009-02-04T06:35:00.000-08:002009-02-04T06:35:00.000-08:00Should we even be discussing this?"Perhaps we need...Should we even be discussing this?<BR/><BR/>"Perhaps we need a five-year moratorium on making pronouncements."<BR/>-B.M.Rob Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893938431904825170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28286527538222783052009-02-03T15:49:00.000-08:002009-02-03T15:49:00.000-08:00Um, well, many kinds of "No." As in "non-sequitur....Um, well, many kinds of "No." As in "non-sequitur." <BR/><BR/>Being American is not a sin, nor is being born and raised in an Islamic or Buddhist family. Homosexual acts are sin.<BR/><BR/>As to being "born gay [sic]," the boldest positive statement you can make is <I>"non liquet."</I>DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19032777065132130092009-02-03T15:39:00.000-08:002009-02-03T15:39:00.000-08:00Jesus did say a lot about greed and love of money,...Jesus did say a lot about greed and love of money, but we tolerate and even celebrate that. <BR/><BR/>We're all sinners, and if we do create a hierarchy of sin (which actually is the province of God and his amazing grace), is being born gay any more of a sin than being born American and into a dog-eat-dog capitalist society where life and death decisions are made based on income? Or being born and raised in an Islamic or Buddhist family? <BR/><BR/>There are sins you adopt, and there are sins you're born with. People are born gay - but no one is born greedy.Admin2https://www.blogger.com/profile/18002707325024160294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77805426912980352392009-02-02T23:54:00.000-08:002009-02-02T23:54:00.000-08:00Michael Pare: I hope you will address the issue of...Michael Pare: <B><I>I hope you will address the issue of whether homosexuals should be stoned. I have been asked this as well, so they can try to slip me up.</I></B><BR/><BR/>A couple of things Michael. RC Sproul helped a little in this area. <BR/><BR/>In the OT, I think there were about 35 or so capital offenses (crimes that required the death penalty). I can't rattle them off now, but a couple included homosexuality and incorrigible child and breaking the Sabbath. <BR/><BR/>First thing, the number of capital crimes found in the OT already represents a <B>massive</B> reduction in the number of capital offenses. Why? Because in creation, <B>every</B> sin is a capital offense. The Lord said that the soul that sins shall die. And if the Lord were to strictly deal with the human race according to his justice, everyone of us would have executed immediately, a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>There are only a couple of crimes in the United States that are capital offenses - murder and high treason. Since the Lord is the King and Ruler of creation every sin we committ is a capital offense deserving execution because every sin is high treason against the Lord.<BR/><BR/>The basic way that the Lord has been dealing with His creation is with His forebearance. <BR/><BR/>These people that you've been dealing with Michael, I don't know if they are professing Christians or not. The real problem is, esp. if they are not Christians, is that they don't see the absolute perfection of the Lord's holiness and the utter disgrace of their sin. <BR/><BR/>I would recommend sharing the gospel with them. Establish with them (like Paul did with the Gentiles) a framework to deposit the gospel with them. Talk about creation and then you can talk about sin and then you can talk about Jesus. If all they want to do is trip you up, then don't waste your time with them.<BR/><BR/>The short "answer" to your question is since we are not under the Israel theocracy and the Old Covenant was done away with, there is no requirement for the civil magistrate to punish as a capital offense, homosexuality and Sabbath breakers ,e.g. (just to name a few from an already reduced list from God the crimes that are all technically capital offenses - every sin, thoughts, words and deeds). <BR/><BR/>But under the Noahic covenant which has never been abrogated, since the state is still under God (because all men are under God whether they like it or not) and the Noahic covenant was given to all mankind, then the crime which the Lord prescribed as capital offense is murder. That is technically, the capital offense which the Lord prescribed to mankind and which He never abrogated.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91732340166765576022009-02-02T22:24:00.000-08:002009-02-02T22:24:00.000-08:00Excellent excellent idea, I really look forward to...Excellent excellent idea, I really look forward to many actionable munitions =)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44751395919869728272009-02-02T20:45:00.000-08:002009-02-02T20:45:00.000-08:00Dan,I hope you will address the issue of whether h...Dan,<BR/>I hope you will address the issue of whether homosexuals should be stoned. I have been asked this as well, so they can try to slip me up.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Jesus does directly talk about homosexuality by mentioning the destruction of Sodom.<BR/><BR/>And as far as being close-minded? Isn't the opposite of that broad-minded? And I've heard that the Hebrew word "fool" in Scripture literally means "broad-minded." It suggests that any idea goes in...all ideas are valid.<BR/><BR/>I'd rather be close-minded for Christ than a fool.Michael Parehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04358530920628747015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20224297644414787152009-02-02T19:53:00.000-08:002009-02-02T19:53:00.000-08:00Jesus didn't explicitly mention homosexuality, but...Jesus didn't explicitly mention homosexuality, but did he really have to? Couldn't it be said that his audience took it for granted that sex was meant to be had exclusively by men and women? So, mentioning homosexuality would have been superfluous?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Further, since Jesus closes any remaining loopholes regarding marriage and divorce and, in doing so, gives the impression that marriage is something important to God, particularly marriage between a man and a woman, doesn't this say something, albeit implicitly, about his non-approval of homosexuality or homosexual unions?<BR/><BR/>It's funny: this topic reminds me of his teaching on the fall of the Siloam tower. "Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish." The implication of this statement is that the life some are in the midst of living isn't really life, in the ZOE sense of the term. <BR/><BR/>He has a funny way of working his way into any conversation.jphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652541261895379354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10628691735108100192009-02-02T17:51:00.000-08:002009-02-02T17:51:00.000-08:00I like it :) It's pithy!I like it :) It's pithy!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16231036138358662300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59227885473413599122009-02-02T16:36:00.000-08:002009-02-02T16:36:00.000-08:00I think I might ask a few questions:"Do you believ...I think I might ask a few questions:<BR/><BR/>"Do you believe Jesus is God?"<BR/><BR/>If yes then, <BR/><BR/>"Do you believe that Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are all one God?"<BR/><BR/>If yes then,<BR/><BR/>"Did you know the Holy Spirit inspired the whole Bible, not just the sayings attributed to Jesus, and the Bible is pretty clear on the subject..."<BR/><BR/>You will be able to tell by their answers whether you're dealing with an unbeliever who is seeking answers or someone who is just picking a fight.Bill R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16938922140995146034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72814646516357498572009-02-02T15:18:00.000-08:002009-02-02T15:18:00.000-08:00Lots of other people are complaining about the &qu...Lots of other people <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/group/blogger-help-troubleshoot/search?group=blogger-help-troubleshoot&q=false+backlinks&qt_g=Search+this+category" REL="nofollow">are complaining</A> about the "false" backlinks. No one has a good solution yet, other than turning off the backlinks.<BR/><BR/>Here's a vague notion: The backlinks are coming from blogspot site feeds, which seem to be surrounded by a "<span class="item-title">" tag. If you're using a custom template for your site, you could probably figure out some JavaScript magic to filter those kinds of links. (I found <A HREF="http://browservulsel.blogspot.com/2005/10/blogger-backlinks-custom-way.html" REL="nofollow">this old link on custom backlinks</A>, which might serve as a good starting point. If things haven't changed around too much.)Jugulumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932658890162312549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42721023398224627612009-02-02T14:48:00.000-08:002009-02-02T14:48:00.000-08:00DJP,And... Yep, they're all blogspot.It should be ...DJP,<BR/><BR/>And... Yep, they're all blogspot.<BR/><BR/>It should be pretty simple for Blogger to fix the problem. They could ignore trackbacks generated by Blogger livefeeds.Jugulumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932658890162312549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71348471855349902422009-02-02T14:36:00.000-08:002009-02-02T14:36:00.000-08:00I dismiss atheism, in part, because of its propone...I dismiss atheism, in part, because of its proponents' narrow-minded, religious dogmatism and jugmental bigotry (c:Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39914345553135350292009-02-02T14:01:00.000-08:002009-02-02T14:01:00.000-08:00Not to mention He didn't talk about Movies, Video ...Not to mention He didn't talk about Movies, Video Games, Sports, Pop-Music, Toilets, Yogurt, France, and......what else am I missing?<BR/><BR/>Doesn't everyone know they need to read the WHOLE Bible, or Jesus's words make no sense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27041401395235334962009-02-02T13:12:00.000-08:002009-02-02T13:12:00.000-08:00Everyday Mommy said..."I need to run to Wal-Mart t...Everyday Mommy said...<B>"I need to run to Wal-Mart to buy a ton of candles!"</B><BR/><BR/>^ Two more things never mentioned in the bible. maybe you should consider oil lamps from a caravan :)archshrkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05692804883679708643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15956069035959829932009-02-02T12:59:00.000-08:002009-02-02T12:59:00.000-08:00Check the links on this post, f'rinstance. Hokey s...Check the links on this post, f'rinstance. Hokey smokes.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11634622994968375702009-02-02T12:34:00.000-08:002009-02-02T12:34:00.000-08:00DJP,"That has the effect of making the LINK featur...DJP,<BR/>"That has the effect of making the LINK feature worthless."<BR/><BR/>Agreed. I first noticed it a couple-ish weeks ago. I've been annoyed with it ever since, for ruining the usefulness of trackbacks. It's bad for big blogs.<BR/><BR/>But on the whole, the live feed feature seems to be a good thing for small blogs. I've noticed more click-throughs to my site from blogger blogs since the change. (I think there are at least two or three people out there, who link to my blog.)Jugulumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932658890162312549noreply@blogger.com