tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post9204893846684337052..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Marking the ReformationPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger161125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18085187277582639252007-11-06T17:36:00.000-08:002007-11-06T17:36:00.000-08:00A question, complain, challenge, lament stops bein...A question, complain, challenge, lament stops being a <I>good and wise</I> question, complain, challenge, or lament <B>after it's been answered</B>. Which yours were, fairly and fully, more than once.<BR/><BR/>And so again I say thank God for raising up brave and passionately Word-driven men such as Luther and Calvin. It is a shame Rome did not repent and reform. It is a shame it has not repented and reformed.<BR/><BR/>But thank God its stranglehold was broken, and the Gospel shined forth, and still does.<BR/><BR/><I>That's</I> worth a party.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2590699774141233912007-11-05T07:15:00.000-08:002007-11-05T07:15:00.000-08:00Rhology,Chris L apparently missed the link of Luth...Rhology,<BR/><I>Chris L apparently missed the link of Luther and the Jews. I'd encourage him to take a look before throwing those quotes around.</I><BR/>I did not miss this (and actually read it before writing <A HREF="http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2007/10/30/separation-celebration/" REL="nofollow">my article</A> the day before via Google. I suppose if it helps you sleep better at night to rationalize it away, then sweet dreams...<BR/><BR/>Dan,<BR/><I>Yes, perhaps. That and the substance of every single response to him.</I><BR/>Understanding the substance of the responses and agreeing with them need not be in correlation. I understand your need to tell stories to yourself of the Reformation parallelling the Exodus of Israel from Egypt, but that doesn't mean I should join them myself, or lead others into self-delusiong either.<BR/><BR/>A church split is a church split and should serve to be mourned, no matter how "right" one side may be. Celebrating such a thing is little more than saying "God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this Roman Catholic."Chris Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08892029528820864433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48671005616954037562007-11-01T10:46:00.000-07:002007-11-01T10:46:00.000-07:00whoever writes this bull, he is Antichrist. . . I ...<I>whoever writes this bull, he is Antichrist. . . I protest before God that with my whole heart I dissent from the damnation of this bull...</I><BR/><BR/>This may be irreverent, but I find it hysterical to read "Papal bull" as we might commonly read it today, especially in the above sentences.<BR/><BR/>:o)Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40610288640578390112007-11-01T09:57:00.000-07:002007-11-01T09:57:00.000-07:00And since Martinus Luther is one of the individual...And since Martinus Luther is one of the individuals we are celebrating this week, let me contribute this gem written by Luther after he received the papal bull, "Exsurge Domine." Luther's reply was called "Against the Execrable Bull of Antichrist."<BR/><BR/><I>I have heard that a bull against me has gone through the whole earth before it came to me, because being a daughter of darkness it feared the light of my face.</I> If not spurious, then it must have been written by <I>that man of lies, dissimulation, errors, and heresy, that monster Johann Eck . . . whoever writes this bull, he is Antichrist. . . I protest before God that with my whole heart I dissent from the damnation of this bull, that I curse and execrate it as sacrilege and blasphemy of Christ. This be my recantation, O bull, thou ??? of bulls.</I><BR/><BR/>There is some dispute on the word used where the ??? are, but I think we get the general idea. <BR/><BR/>By the way, someone needs to tell brother Martin that he wasn't being "nice" to the pope.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53280245707321081462007-11-01T09:48:00.000-07:002007-11-01T09:48:00.000-07:00Libbie,Well, if the carriageway provides enough in...Libbie,<BR/><BR/>Well, if the carriageway provides enough in the way of exhaust fumes, perhaps the modern-day Druids gathering there will have an additional substance with which to hallucinate. I think I'll take Addison's Walk any day. ;)<BR/><BR/>What a world we live in.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50004493399291719442007-11-01T09:39:00.000-07:002007-11-01T09:39:00.000-07:00I (re)read Luther's 95 Theses. I run a food drive....I (re)read Luther's 95 Theses. I run a food drive.Scottjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16376531868844723586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35099895276460086722007-11-01T09:04:00.000-07:002007-11-01T09:04:00.000-07:00And those to Anna Banana, who seemed to be genuine...And those to Anna Banana, who seemed to be genuinely interested in working the issue out.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-354424018256573862007-11-01T08:58:00.000-07:002007-11-01T08:58:00.000-07:00Yes, perhaps. That and the substance of every sing...Yes, perhaps. That and the substance of every single response to him.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57353889670311858132007-11-01T08:56:00.000-07:002007-11-01T08:56:00.000-07:00Chris L apparently missed the link of Luther and t...Chris L apparently missed <A HREF="http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/12/martin-luther-topical-master-index-for.html" REL="nofollow">the link</A> of Luther and the Jews. I'd encourage him to take a look before throwing those quotes around.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44164637207414172022007-11-01T08:36:00.000-07:002007-11-01T08:36:00.000-07:00:-D Sadly my idolatry is a tad more subtle, solame...:-D Sadly my idolatry is a tad more subtle, solameanie, and quite definitely rooted in my flesh rather than my dependence upon Grace alone. <BR/><BR/> Stonehenge at sunrise is very pretty, though. Apart from the enormously unmystical dual carriageway road 300 yards away from it...Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50038139788118805732007-11-01T08:24:00.000-07:002007-11-01T08:24:00.000-07:00Last night I did a slideshow of "On This Day in Hi...Last night I did a slideshow of "On This Day in History" in which I started of by identifying the pagan celebration of Halloween and a couple of other notable events (MT Rushmore completed, Indira Ghandi assasinated). My church is not a "Reformed Church" but they called a reformed pastor (suckers). <BR/><BR/>Then I gave them the reason to celebrate - It was really fun as they got excited and passionate about the great day that it was.<BR/><BR/>Then we continued with our regular expository Bible study (Which is what I think all of the great reformers would have liked in honour of them). <BR/><BR/>Sharing the Bible in the language of the people discussing our direct access as priests to God through the atoning work of Christ, and exhorting each other to share the good news of the Gospel - my kind of day!Spurgeonwannabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770625936533802935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56415149043010844662007-11-01T08:04:00.000-07:002007-11-01T08:04:00.000-07:00We met early at our church building, and had pizza...We met early at our church building, and had pizza with all our families, then we had prayer meeting just like normal.<BR/><BR/>It was awesome.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The prayer meeting I mean. The pizza was passable.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06734845463331170748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58426846991613687122007-11-01T07:27:00.000-07:002007-11-01T07:27:00.000-07:00Libbie,Don't feel too badly. In fact, if you'd lik...Libbie,<BR/><BR/>Don't feel too badly. In fact, if you'd like to have a bit of fun with a bit of "tweakage," have someone take a picture of you at Stonehenge, preferably at sunrise. Then you could post it here as confirmation of your pagan, idolatrous leanings. You could have a wicker chair burning in the background for dramatic effect. <BR/><BR/>Then again, someone might actually think you were being serious instead of tongue-in-cheek. Better not.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22007420553064548542007-11-01T03:56:00.000-07:002007-11-01T03:56:00.000-07:00Pastor Steve is a commenter in the meta to the art...Pastor Steve is a commenter in the meta to the article that followed this one, by Phil.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59271515603188814142007-10-31T21:20:00.000-07:002007-10-31T21:20:00.000-07:00Did someone mention a fundy legalist?;-)Did someone mention a <I>fundy legalist</I>?<BR/><BR/>;-)Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23970714974931265892007-10-31T21:17:00.000-07:002007-10-31T21:17:00.000-07:00Sorry, Libbie dear, didn't mean to be mean, I was ...Sorry, Libbie dear, didn't mean to be mean, I was just getting into character, seeing how at church I was to play the part of a flamethrower and all...Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88164693328994045072007-10-31T20:13:00.000-07:002007-10-31T20:13:00.000-07:00My apologies, Libbie, for misspelling your name. ...My apologies, Libbie, for misspelling your name. I hate it when that happens, as well.<BR/><BR/>Dan - who is Pastor Steve?Chris Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08892029528820864433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5304868231126796222007-10-31T20:12:00.000-07:002007-10-31T20:12:00.000-07:00"But since we who hold to the reformed view are al..."But since we who hold to the reformed view are all Lutherites we don't eat anything kosher."<BR/><BR/>Are Claussen pickles kosher? I'm out if I can't have Claussen's crisp delicious pickles. <BR/><BR/>Just got back from my "Dia de la Reforma" and it was a good time. My Wittenberg Door dart game was a hit. Also, as far as the feel and focus, we did stay away from the reformers and most of the history. The focus was more on partying with a light drizzle of how we are constantly reforming and all that razzmatazz.<BR/><BR/>I didn't expect razzmatazz to be in spell check. It's a Reformation Day miracle!<BR/><BR/>Finally, there are like 4 Chris' commenting. It's shaking up my joojoo.Danger Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09670835279206205030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80695364605158799142007-10-31T17:53:00.000-07:002007-10-31T17:53:00.000-07:00I already got to celebrate Reformation Day by tell...I already got to celebrate Reformation Day by telling my fourth and fifth graders about Luther nailing the theses, and how the word spread throughout Europe, thanks to the printing press that had been invented by the grace of God, in his sovereign will and timing. My kids were really into the discussion.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, their parents were concerned that I not give their kids much homework tonight cuz it is Halloween after all.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65851569530141718662007-10-31T16:52:00.000-07:002007-10-31T16:52:00.000-07:00I hate when some spells my name wrong when they're...I <EM>hate</EM> when some spells my name wrong when they're accusing me of idolatry.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14873728356115837593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85838445366768103612007-10-31T16:28:00.000-07:002007-10-31T16:28:00.000-07:00Happy Happy Happy HappyHappy Reformation DayNail t...Happy Happy Happy Happy<BR/>Happy Reformation Day<BR/>Nail the theses to the door....<BR/><BR/>And then we run away.<BR/><BR/>Knock the miter off the Pope<BR/>Give the protestants some hope<BR/><BR/>Happy Happy Happy Refor<BR/>may....<BR/>shun....<BR/>Day.<BR/><BR/>dumdumdumdumdumdum dum!Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15125389961279442552007-10-31T16:11:00.000-07:002007-10-31T16:11:00.000-07:00Dan,I am appalled by your lack of holiness because...Dan,<BR/><BR/>I am appalled by your lack of holiness because of the devil tempting you. In fact, the doorbell is ringing as I type this with him at the door. Don't you know Satan is a 7 year old holding out a bag of candy?<BR/><BR/>Sigh. If only it were THAT easy.<BR/><BR/>When I drove home and into my subdivision tonight, THE VERY FIRST costume I saw was Satan, happily walking around with a equally happy mom leading the way.<BR/><BR/>In one hour, I'll be at my Reformed Lutheran church Bible study. I don't know if they planned anything special for tonight. I'm guessing they will.<BR/>I never knew this day of celebration actually existed. I'll be sure to thank God for Mr. Luther for obeying God in doing this!<BR/><BR/>...and then I'll "ding dong ditch" our local Catholic apostasy with the 95 Theses taped to the door. ;-)<BR/><BR/>OK, on a serious note again, where do I get a copy of the 1953 version of Luther? Don't have cable/satellite, just an over-the-air digital (not analog...eww) TV tuner.<BR/><BR/>Ooh...future Pyro post suggestion: Is it bad to subscribe to a pay TV service?<BR/><BR/>I'd love to read that one.Gilberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05267525662313103148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60634057665121091472007-10-31T16:05:00.000-07:002007-10-31T16:05:00.000-07:00Pastor Steve, if you're reading this meta, Chris L...<B>Pastor Steve</B>, if you're reading this meta, <B>Chris L'</B>s comment just above is a perfect example of someone <I>not</I> here to learn.<BR/><BR/><I>Every single statement</I> has already been responded to. He's just repeating refuted gripes.<BR/><BR/>Leaving us with a glorious movement of God to celebrate, as He raised up brave men and women to liberate His gospel of free and sovereign grace from a corrupt and apostate cemetery.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83431227655606561422007-10-31T15:47:00.000-07:002007-10-31T15:47:00.000-07:00Chris, I sure hope you keep a careful note of your...<I>Chris, I sure hope you keep a careful note of your sins so that people can wheel them out to show what a fallible human you were in a few hundred years time.</I><BR/>Libby,<BR/><BR/>If folks a few hundred years from now decide to dress up like me and treat the movement of Christianity I belong to as more sacred than the entire body of Christ, I hope someone will have the good sense to roll out my fallibilities, as well...<BR/><BR/>Dan,<BR/><BR/>Christ's birth is not a pagan celebration, but December 25th was chosen to mask pagan solstice celebrations (no matter how much we'd like to rewrite history to fit the way we wish it had been).<BR/><BR/><I>We could ask God to do something to give that indication. I don't know... like, if He said something? In so many words? Like if He said that anyone who perverts the Gospel deserves damnation?<BR/><BR/>Something like -- oh, I don't know. SOmething like Galatians 1:6-9?<BR/><BR/>That would settle it. Wouldn't it?</I><BR/>Depending on how narrowly you wish to define "the Gospel" beyond what Paul taught in <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:1-7;&version=31;" REL="nofollow">I Cor 15:1-7</A>, I suppose you could make the same claim of individuals preaching "another gospel" when they make silly statements like "Calvinism <B><I>is</I></B> the gospel", but somehow I suspect you'd keep it wide enough to include such things but narrow enough to keep all others out.<BR/><BR/>In reality, Reformation Day is the day on which we Protestants get to stand up and paraphrase Luke 18:11-12 and say "God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this Roman Catholic."<BR/><BR/>Were the church today as it was in Luther's day, I would have stood with him on the doorstep (and I probably would have added to his list, as well), but years later, I would hope that I would have had the sense not to celebrate that day as something to take pride in...Chris Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08892029528820864433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52859443045441269932007-10-31T15:12:00.000-07:002007-10-31T15:12:00.000-07:00Just to make sure the embers stay warm - The Catho...Just to make sure the embers stay warm - The Catholic Church NEVER persecuted the Jews - Luther invented the idea himself<BR/><BR/>But since we who hold to the reformed view are all Lutherites we don't eat anything kosherSpurgeonwannabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770625936533802935noreply@blogger.com