tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post116411314920149270..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Big Names in balancePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164738034497158982006-11-28T10:20:00.000-08:002006-11-28T10:20:00.000-08:00It's a wonderful post.I've met those who try to be...It's a wonderful post.<BR/><BR/>I've met those who try to be clones of a dead teacher. Yet I'm also concerned by those who think their own, living preacher is virtually infallible in teaching. When an issue comes up, I think a mature Christian's first question should not be, "What did Pastor X teach us about that?" but "What does the Bible say?"<BR/><BR/>However, the result will be that in the church we'll sometimes disagree. How do we reconcile submission to authority, with our responsibility to hold to what we believe is biblical truth even when our godly pastors see things differently? I don't know.<BR/><BR/>As you say, after death, we'll know the truth.Jim Swindlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632113399696237695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164469818947558242006-11-25T07:50:00.000-08:002006-11-25T07:50:00.000-08:00Does this mean I shouldn't get my teachings from P...Does this mean I shouldn't get my teachings from Pastors.com anymore?candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164212060788805172006-11-22T08:14:00.000-08:002006-11-22T08:14:00.000-08:00Your earlier rebuke was taken to (at least one) he...Your earlier rebuke was taken to (at least one) heart.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164211571254690072006-11-22T08:06:00.000-08:002006-11-22T08:06:00.000-08:00You people better not forget to mouse-over those p...You people better not forget to mouse-over those pics!!! HILARIOUS! <I>(It's about time you got back to that)</I><BR/>xb4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164198104438742452006-11-22T04:21:00.000-08:002006-11-22T04:21:00.000-08:00Hey! What's wrong with smilies?!)c:Hey! <A HREF="http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2006/02/c-j-mahaney-is-wrong.html" REL="nofollow"> What's wrong with smilies</A>?!<BR/><BR/>)c:<DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164176482121206902006-11-21T22:21:00.000-08:002006-11-21T22:21:00.000-08:00C.H.H. -- The smilies are no doubt a sop to the sa...C.H.H. -- The smilies are no doubt a sop to the sarcasmicaly challenged among us.<BR/><BR/>Dan -- A truly excellent post, smilies notwithstanding. On a related note, however, I have noticed that there is an equally rampant problem with the "I'm <I>not</I> of Paul" crowd ... at least in the Presbyterian circles I run in. People line up on one or the other side of a controversy over a fairly narrow range of issues, the nuances of which they all to obviously fail to understand, and then they categorically reject the "other guy's" positions on everything else ... even when that "everything" extends to the very heart of the Gospel. For those of us who actually use congregational recitation of the creeds in gathered worship, it is amazing that the whole congregation does not go silent on the "one holy, catholic and apostolic church" bit.<BR/><BR/>http://hither-and-yon.blogspot.com/Austin Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01592546327943832367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164168192536832002006-11-21T20:03:00.000-08:002006-11-21T20:03:00.000-08:00With Dan's ability to consistantly churn out posts...With Dan's ability to consistantly churn out posts like, his use of smilies is one of the only things holding me back from attributing him with some kind of super power or heavyweight status or something.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781523237313565560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164157154746619622006-11-21T16:59:00.000-08:002006-11-21T16:59:00.000-08:00What?What?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164156825218896142006-11-21T16:53:00.000-08:002006-11-21T16:53:00.000-08:00engage the text(you make 3 references to it and on...engage the text<BR/><BR/>(you make 3 references to it and one to a leaky-canon advocate)<BR/><BR/>I agree with engage the text.<BR/><BR/>The less superficial/more substantive the betterAntoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383024070371150288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164153197957481702006-11-21T15:53:00.000-08:002006-11-21T15:53:00.000-08:00Well Rick, when the Bible's just not enough for yo...Well Rick, when the Bible's just not enough for you, I guess you have to grab for <I>something!</I><BR/><BR/>(c;DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164152752100075402006-11-21T15:45:00.000-08:002006-11-21T15:45:00.000-08:00Dan - Ok then, if that's it, I understand and I'll...<B>Dan</B> - Ok then, if that's it, I understand and I'll be man enough to admit that it worked - again ... but good news, small group starts in a few minutes and I'm sure I'll get some cool prophecies to pump me back up.<BR/><BR/>Have a great evening with the Bible.rickihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08761115460598252675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164151214565689072006-11-21T15:20:00.000-08:002006-11-21T15:20:00.000-08:00(I'm trying this one more time. Hopefully I'm in ...(I'm trying this one more time. Hopefully I'm in the right place this time :)<BR/>I have hesitated to comment on this because I don't know "Motorcycle Paul" personally, and I'm very new to this blog. But, from your limited description, it seems that Paul doesn't have a problem with "teachers" as much as with authority.<BR/><BR/>My point in mentioning this is that people who have a problem with authority have, often, suffered extreme harm at its' hand. I've had many an experience where a fellow christian attempted to "teach" me something by trying to point out the rediculousness of my idea in comparison with theirs. It's pretty hard to respect someone as a teaching figure when it's clear they have no respect for you as a thinker, even if your idea is wrong. <BR/><BR/>That said, I tend to be a little more on Paul's side than others here. It's not because he's so brilliant in his theologies about Jesus as God incarnate or the trinity business (I happen to think his ideas on these things completely inaccurate.) It's because the word says that there is only one teacher, and it is not any of us (Matt. 23:8).<BR/><BR/>By the way, I did get the point that we should be more into the Word, ourselves, than into what the latest, or deadest, theologian is spouting. An excellent point, but not so well practiced.Kimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06692220104351224461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164147646488571842006-11-21T14:20:00.000-08:002006-11-21T14:20:00.000-08:00Mr. Baggins, I can only tell you my own experience...<B>Mr. Baggins</B>, I can only tell you my own experience. I've seen more of the latter than the former. Now, in the former, I have in mind those who will scoff disdainfully at <I>any</I> human teacher, and so won't read <I>anybody</I>, and will mock anyone who does. I just don't run into as many of them as I do the other.<BR/><BR/>But I don't conclude that this means anything globally.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164140217783551512006-11-21T12:16:00.000-08:002006-11-21T12:16:00.000-08:00Excellent point, Gloria. I can think of four, off...Excellent point, Gloria. I can think of four, offhand, in three different churches. They'd listen to me preach, more or less -- then run off and check it against their <I>real</I> pastor... who wouldn't know them from Richard Simmons, whom they'd never met, who might even no longer be living.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164135188561288782006-11-21T10:53:00.000-08:002006-11-21T10:53:00.000-08:00Dan,I deliberately didn't read Spurgeon that time,...Dan,<BR/><BR/><I>I deliberately didn't read Spurgeon that time, because I was afraid that his "take" would so stamp my brain, that I'd be unable to see anything else that was legitimately in the passage.</I><BR/><BR/>I know exactly what you are saying. When I am studying a passage, I can't read MacArthur until I am finished studying or I will find myself adopting his viewpoints and his outline in my own sermon.<BR/><BR/>Glad to know it also happens to the best of us!<BR/><BR/>JeffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164134732112683962006-11-21T10:45:00.000-08:002006-11-21T10:45:00.000-08:00dan said,"I just was having difficulty finding my ...dan said,<BR/><BR/>"I just was having difficulty finding my own "voice" on it (preachers will know what I mean), and was afraid that his steadying hand would be, to me, a calcifying hand."<BR/><BR/>even though I am not a preacher, I think I know what you mean. I ran into this in philosophy while in college. As a philosophy major, I had to write many, many papers. I remember one in particular in which I was arguing against Sartre's radical freedom concept. It was difficult to not simply respond by quoting what dead guys had already said. (obviously there are differences in writing a paper arguing with Sartre and preaching a sermon, but the temptation to simply allow others to do all the work for oneself is similar)... anyway definately tangential now.joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00407734824168297388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164130982450915892006-11-21T09:43:00.000-08:002006-11-21T09:43:00.000-08:00Dan, this post is a blessing and explains exactly ...Dan, this post is a blessing and explains exactly why I hope you never give up your completely wrongheaded interpretation of 1 Cor 13:8. Because, if you did, I would be unable to find <I>any quarrel with you whatsoever</I> and I would compelled to canonize you straightaway.Kaffinatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146781661881693212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164130788299802152006-11-21T09:39:00.000-08:002006-11-21T09:39:00.000-08:00I used to have a blog named "Dead and Living Teach...I used to have a blog named "Dead and Living Teachers". That blog is dead now, but I am planning to resuscitate it.<BR/><BR/>God´s Word is our only authority and it's infallible, but I have learned a lot from wise christians whom had been enlighted by the Holy Spirit in their study of the Scriptures.Daniel Callehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11201838274181767909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164129178748249002006-11-21T09:12:00.000-08:002006-11-21T09:12:00.000-08:00Canadian Spammer.Canadian Spammer.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164129028901875642006-11-21T09:10:00.000-08:002006-11-21T09:10:00.000-08:00Dan:You're a meanie. :-)Dan:<BR/><BR/>You're a meanie. :-)Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164128899073476092006-11-21T09:08:00.000-08:002006-11-21T09:08:00.000-08:00In my admittedly limited experience the "dead theo...In my admittedly limited experience the "dead theologian groupies" fall into two broad categories the "valiant protectors of the true reformed faith" sometimes referred to as TRs and then we have the "dead german aficionados" (not ethic german but german language). There is a new group which is taking over in the english speaking biblical studies subculture and their idol is still living. You guessed it. Tom Wright. <BR/><BR/>When I was a young man I was a Francis Schaeffer guy for about five years but quickly discovered that Schaeffer was all too human. I never warmed up to Luther or Calvin even after reading thousands of pages of them. J.Edwards was a great man with a warm heart and I liked him. But I came to Edwards after a baptism in Beckett, Ionesco, Genet, Albee, Sartre, Camus ... <BR/><BR/>The three german (language) guys who theological wannabes love to quote are Barth, Bultmann and Bonhoffer. The latter two were not theologians but they were objects of veneration among the fashionably left wing evangelical subculture that I walked away from many years agoC. Stirling Bartholomewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03571440237755902925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164127312040050712006-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:002006-11-21T08:41:00.000-08:00djp,GREAT POINT. GREAT POINT. That has been needed...djp,<BR/>GREAT POINT. GREAT POINT. That has been needed to be said for so long!<BR/><BR/>I teach biblical languages and hermeneutics at an SBC school and if I could get my students to drop Calvin, then lots and lots of sincere Christians would learn of the sovereign grace of God. Too many times folks are turned off or just want to fight because of Calvin's name. (And I'm a 4 1/2 pointer.)<BR/><BR/>The doctrines of grace were biblical long before John Calvin was a glint in his daddy's eye.<BR/><BR/>I came to Calvinistic doctrine long before I knew much about Calvin. When folks ask if I am a Calvinist, I say, "No, I'm biblicist."<BR/><BR/>This is a good hobby horse. Ride like the wind, young man.<BR/>Phil Perkins.Phil Perkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02171222033284405914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164125066322264032006-11-21T08:04:00.000-08:002006-11-21T08:04:00.000-08:00Dan Phillips quoting Triumph? Is there no end to t...Dan Phillips quoting Triumph? Is there no end to this man's theological influences?James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164124135273590122006-11-21T07:48:00.000-08:002006-11-21T07:48:00.000-08:00But you'll want to. To correct "Patsor."(Waiting w...But you'll want to. To correct "Patsor."<BR/><BR/>(Waiting with "SPAMMER" brand in hand.)DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1164124014738869622006-11-21T07:46:00.000-08:002006-11-21T07:46:00.000-08:00Okay, I think I meant "hitch our wagon to someone'...Okay, I think I meant "hitch our wagon to someone's star."<BR/><BR/>Blame it on Dan; I'm still laughing at the Patsor Thingummy.<BR/><BR/>And no, Dan; I'm not spamming this thread :-)Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.com