tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post116724893476459492..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Sending out weiner dogsPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1171014976519067602007-02-09T01:56:00.000-08:002007-02-09T01:56:00.000-08:00Hey! If all feel the same way, it's even better......Hey! If all feel the same way, it's even better... By the way loved going through the blog.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10608528735386216694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167600341714843282006-12-31T13:25:00.000-08:002006-12-31T13:25:00.000-08:00Come on, Calvdispy, don't question Tolkien. He cal...Come on, Calvdispy, don't question Tolkien. He called <I>The Lord of the Rings</I> a Christian work, and that settles it for me.<BR/><BR/>Good points overall on artistry. I do think it's OK to let the Gospel 'sneak through' in our art rather than openly proclaim it. Love and Death, indeed, and the Cross. Somehow. Let's not get too restrictive.Turgonianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13631382534572993042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167398573438167562006-12-29T05:22:00.000-08:002006-12-29T05:22:00.000-08:00Albert:That interview comes from the book In Conve...Albert:<BR/><BR/>That interview comes from the book <I>In Conversation with Michka Assayas</I>, which I have read twice now, cover to cover.<BR/><BR/>Read that book, put the interview you have linked to in that cointext, and then restate your claim, if possible. WorldMag editors notwithstanding, Bono has never delivered the Gospel clearly and doesn't think it's necessary to do so. It's not an issue for him -- he doesn't think it says anything which disqualifies other religious traditions.<BR/><BR/>Let me say this also about Bono: he probably comes by that view honestly. He grew up in Dublin, in the midst of what can only be called a Christian holy war. That's not a very edifying environment. So if he thinks that people can use the Gospel to justify the deaths of others, its because he's seen it first hand.<BR/><BR/>The question, as always, is if that <I>experience</I> trumps God's word. Do people who kill others because of political differences caused by the Protestant/Catholic split live out the Gospel? If they do, in what way do they do that?<BR/><BR/>It's not like I just discovered Bono, people. I've been watching him since they played live in their first American tour in a bar in my home town in the 80's. He's not a punk kid anymore, but that doesn't mean he's worked out all his demons.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167356492393503492006-12-28T17:41:00.000-08:002006-12-28T17:41:00.000-08:00Oh, and if you don't want to have to sign up/log i...Oh, and if you don't want to have to sign up/log in you can look around the blogosphere for the quote I have in mind, which deals with grace over against karma.Alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10331664046303098839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167356337192856582006-12-28T17:38:00.000-08:002006-12-28T17:38:00.000-08:00Hey Frank, thanks for a thoughtful and encouraging...Hey Frank, thanks for a thoughtful and encouraging post. I think you would enjoy reading this interview with Bono, as it may contain a more clear articulation of the gospel from Bono's lips than any you've yet heard.<BR/><BR/>http://www.worldmag.com/articles/10892<BR/><BR/>In fact (not to be presumptuous from the peanut gallery, but) I wouldn't mind seeing your thoughts on this interview over on your own blog. <BR/><BR/>Thanks again for your insightful post and I appreciate the clarity and depth of the love/death tension that you see as informing all of our quest to express the truth and beauty of the gospel through art.Alberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10331664046303098839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167347129345698642006-12-28T15:05:00.000-08:002006-12-28T15:05:00.000-08:00I believe one reason we don't see a lot of great a...I believe one reason we don't see a lot of great art by Christians is because art is not considered a valid Christian ministry. Do you know many Christians who support an arts ministry, that isn't exclusively music? I could use a good patron. Anyone want to be a patron? :)candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167345614569281642006-12-28T14:40:00.000-08:002006-12-28T14:40:00.000-08:004given,I agree with your comments and I certainly ...4given,<BR/>I agree with your comments and I certainly wholeheartedly agree with 1 Cor. 10:31. I guess I am perplexed that we don't see more remarkable expressions of this verse in Christian art. The vast majority of excellence in art by most commonly accepted criteria is not produced by the hands of those who ought to be committed to such a maxim. Where are all the artistic geniuses of genuine Biblical persuasion?<BR/><BR/>BTW, I appreciate even more your perspective on your personal suffering. That is genius :)MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167342887408908782006-12-28T13:54:00.000-08:002006-12-28T13:54:00.000-08:00I say that because the Lord has ordained for me in...I say that because the Lord has ordained for me in this time to lose function in my left leg. I have multiple sclerosis. I may even end up in a wheel chair. I have brain lesions covering my brain and I have 2 that keep growing. For now it is only in my dreams that I run in meadows with my children and ski down mountains with my husband.<BR/>I have that relapsing/remitting kind so I have good days where I go in remission and all seems normal to onlookers. But you know what... LIFE IS TOO SHORT NOT TO LIVE IT FOR HIS GLORY!!! too short.4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167342503790737572006-12-28T13:48:00.000-08:002006-12-28T13:48:00.000-08:00The summary of the practical application of Christ...The summary of the practical application of Christianity: "Whatever you do, do ALL to the glory of God." (I Cor. 10:31)<BR/><BR/>Can we really ever be too heavenly minded to be of no earthly good?<BR/><BR/>I read somewhere (wish I could remember) that <I>Christians should use the gifts of common grace under the guidance of special grace to use creation for the glory of God.</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, Christians should employ biblical principles in art, music and all of life. Why? Because, for example, true art will glorify God, not tempt man or blaspheme our holy Father.<BR/><BR/>A Christian artist should employ a biblical paintbrush as he strives to essentially emulate the greatest of all artists, God, the Maker of all things; a Christian scientist should apply God's sovereign hand in his discoveries for even science is subject to the Word of God. Why? Because isn't <I>general revelation subject to the confirmation of special revelation and not human experience?</I> If not, than who gets the glory? <BR/><BR/>God is not Grandpa Big Bird looking down from the sky loving us, but not really involved in the daily plan of our lives. God is to be trusted as our sovereign Lord, especially in divine chastisement, affliction, pain, loss... our songs should be more beautiful, our art more God-honoring.<BR/><BR/>True beauty is <B>Soli Deo Gloria</B> sung in our hearts, proclaimed in our lives no matter what comes our way.4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167338610494511992006-12-28T12:43:00.000-08:002006-12-28T12:43:00.000-08:00I love Durer's work too. I used his series on The...I love Durer's work too. I used his series on <I>The Apocalypse</I> as illustrations when teaching through the book of Revelation a few years ago. It seems unclear where he stood spiritually and whether or not he fully embraced Luther and the Reformation. He was good friends with Erasmus. Nonetheless, he certainly ought to be included with the other Renaissance masters.<BR/><BR/>I thought of a few other literary giants, but I am unsure of their professions of faith as well - T. S. Eliot and Dostoevsky. The latter's "<I>Brothers...</I> and <I>Crime and Punishment</I> are masterpieces of the human predicament.MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167335352506391022006-12-28T11:49:00.000-08:002006-12-28T11:49:00.000-08:00Oh...I used the term "painted" when actually some ...Oh...I used the term "painted" when actually some of the artists I mentioned engraved and illustrated more than painted.<BR/><BR/>I love this subject. :)candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167335146268766622006-12-28T11:45:00.000-08:002006-12-28T11:45:00.000-08:00Some artists to check out who painted Christian th...Some artists to check out who painted Christian themes (I can't speak for their personal faith), were Albrecht Durer (my favorite), Rembrandt, Gustave Dore, Hans Holbein the Younger, Mathias Grunewald, to name a few. <BR/><BR/>I can't name that many contemporary artists and refuse to include Thomas Kincade as an example of contemporary Christian art. I put him right up there with some of the disappointing CCM music stuff.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167329237341321902006-12-28T10:07:00.000-08:002006-12-28T10:07:00.000-08:00Christian art is an enigma to me. I was an archit...Christian art is an enigma to me. I was an architect for roughly 18 years before I became a pastor. I worked for a samll but prestigious firm who believed in building as high art. All of the greatest architects in history were not even remotely purported to be Christians (unless we include Roman Catholics).<BR/><BR/>Most if not all the great visual Christian artists were Roman Catholics (i.e. Rennaisance men - Michelangelo, Botticelli, Da Vinci, et. al.). All of the rest of visual art is dominated by something other than Christian.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps we can claim some literary artists - Augustine, Bunyan, Milton, Lewis (I seriously question Tolkien), and maybe O'Connor (Catholic again?). But the list of great non-Christian literary geniuses is endless.<BR/><BR/>We can claim some great lyricists - Luther, Watts, Toplady, Wesley, and perhaps a handful of others.<BR/><BR/>We have maybe a few great composers - Bach, Handel(?).<BR/><BR/>What about musicians? Along the classical variety I can think of one living today - Christopher Parkening. Maybe there are others.<BR/><BR/>As far as CCM goes, what a dissapointing show. There are perhaps moments of greatness, but nothing along the lines of timelesss legacy. I personally like a lot of CCM artists (e.g. Phil Keaggy, Fernando Ortega, Jars of Clay to mention a few), but let's face it, these will never compare to the Beatles, the Stones, the Dylans, the Led Zeppelins and yes even the U2's of the world.<BR/><BR/>I am perplexed that we do not see more art of genius among believers that seek to exalt the glory of God to the highest. The legacy of greatness in Christianity seems to be in the realm of thinkers and preachers (orators?) of which we can claim many. Does this say something about Christianity as primarily a religion of the Word - cut straight, unadorned and unobscured? I am still thinking about it.MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167328068036190182006-12-28T09:47:00.000-08:002006-12-28T09:47:00.000-08:00Keith Green: 20th century Charles Finney.How come ...Keith Green: 20th century Charles Finney.<BR/><BR/>How come we get bogged down with U2 and Cash. How about Bach and Handel? <BR/><BR/>How about some visual works of art. Any pieces of art resonate with anyone? <BR/><BR/>How about the difference between the visual Italian Rennaisance and a more scholarly Europe influenced by the Reformation?<BR/><BR/>Anyways, just food for thought.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167325340796966222006-12-28T09:02:00.000-08:002006-12-28T09:02:00.000-08:00I probably shouldn't get involved in this, but I w...I probably shouldn't get involved in this, but I will. <BR/><BR/>I make no judgment of Bono's heart. I have read interviews where he seems to state orthodox Christian soteriology. Then he ends up messing up his testimony with very profane language. That might fly at at Emergent Church service, but most Christians I know have a problem with that. He is generally unapologetic about the language also. <BR/><BR/>U2 is not a "Christian band." One of the members (the bass player) isn't a believer unless he's been recently converted. They have also been known for advocating condom use at their concerts (I think they even had a booth where people could get them). <BR/><BR/>Keith Green, for all of his wonderful music, had some pretty serious theological issues also. He could be very legalistic. He advocated the "breaking up your fallow ground" stuff i.e. digging up all your past sins (whether they're under the blood or not). I remember going to what was supposed to be a Keith Green concert. He sang five songs and preached the rest of the time..and got irritated when people wanted him to sing (mercy..isn't that what they came to hear after all?) <BR/><BR/>We need to be careful about putting people on pedestals. If I got on one, I'd get knocked off of it pretty quickly.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167325117213409342006-12-28T08:58:00.000-08:002006-12-28T08:58:00.000-08:00T-stone:I'll throw you a bone on this one.When Bon...T-stone:<BR/><BR/>I'll throw you a bone on this one.<BR/><BR/>When Bono is dead, and someone writes his bio, we will have a fully-orbed picture of who he was in the end. And in that, Cash in 1968 is not the Cash of 1978, 1988 or 1998 -- and I think it would be easy to say in 1968 at the Folsom prison concerts that Cash was not a saved man -- not a believer.<BR/><BR/>I'll leave the rest to your own reasoning power.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167323099951175502006-12-28T08:25:00.000-08:002006-12-28T08:25:00.000-08:00A few notes:1. I bet it's easier to find a free F...A few notes:<BR/><BR/>1. I bet it's easier to find a free FM frequency in Siloam Springs than it is in metro Atlanta.<BR/><BR/>2. This entire thread and comments — all the comments, are oddly encouraging to me, personally, for reasons I won't explain here.<BR/><BR/>3. In his Nobel acceptance speach, William Faulkner wrote that the only story worth telling is of the human heart in conflict with itself.<BR/><BR/>4. One of the Dougs wrote a while back that resurrection is the only story worth telling. (Yes, I know there's a conflict with #3; that's why I included it.)Jim Criglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11437189788683651969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167321302905651022006-12-28T07:55:00.000-08:002006-12-28T07:55:00.000-08:00I have a "Gutter Company". Weird.I install aluminu...I have a "Gutter Company". Weird.<BR/><BR/>I install aluminum seamless gutters for about 15 builders.<BR/><BR/>I, and my two partners, have been tremendously blessed finacially.<BR/><BR/>We try to do all our work with excellence.<BR/><BR/>Our greatest desire is to glorify the name of Christ in our work, and in our company.<BR/><BR/>Many times we have preached the gospel on the construction sites.<BR/><BR/>It simply goes hand in hand. Sometimes I have not spoken of Christ when I should have, and other times I tried to force Jesus on others. And then there are the times when all things came together, and God's grace worked in me to be a witness for His name's sake, and for the gospel.<BR/><BR/>Good post Cent. And some good comments to think about.<BR/><BR/>Here's the bottom line for us all I would think:<BR/> "For whoever shall be ashamed of Me and of My words, of him shall the Son of Man be ashamed, when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's and the holy angels." Luke 9:26<BR/><BR/>"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation". Rom. 1:16<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Christian musicians, that verse reminds me of the Newsboys song:<BR/><BR/>What are we sneaking around for?<BR/>Who are we trying to please?<BR/>Shrugging off sin,<BR/>Apologizing like we're spreading some kind of disease.<BR/><BR/>I'm not ashamed to let you know<BR/>I want this light in me to show<BR/>I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167318806862323092006-12-28T07:13:00.000-08:002006-12-28T07:13:00.000-08:00centuri0n,Well, I like Jonny Cash *and* Bono. Over...centuri0n,<BR/><BR/>Well, I like Jonny Cash *and* Bono. Overall, my CD player sees a lot more Johnny Cash than U2. I see Cash and Bono as two of a kind: driven, talented, prone to excess, but fundamentally concerned with getting things right with God in their own lives.<BR/><BR/>As a quick aside, I was given a copy of the book <I>Johnny Cash Live at Folsom Prison: The Making of a Masterpiece</I> back while the <I>Walk the Line</I> buzz was still going. The Folsom Prison concerts are some of my favorites, in all of music, not just Johnny Cash. Anyway, the book goes into *way* more detail than I needed to know all about that famous performance in 1968, but what was obtainable from the actual concert audio was made abundantly clear in the book: Johnny Cash didn't come to Folsom to preach, but to connect with the prisoners. <BR/><BR/>The Amazon blurb on the book points <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Cash-Folsom-Prison-Masterpiece/dp/0306813386" REL="nofollow"> out</A>:<BR/><BR/><I><B>Cash, a moralistic, mordantly witty man fighting his own drug-addiction demons, who viewed his prison concerts (he gave more than 30) as a chance to connect with convicts, not preach at them.</B></I><BR/><BR/>I don't have a book on the Madison Square Garden concert, but I've listened to the audio a thousand times, and it's not a preaching event, even with all those lost people in the crowd.<BR/><BR/>Which is not condemnation from me. Rather, I just think you have a distorted view of both Cash and Bono -- in opposite directions.<BR/><BR/>But the point here is, I think about *art*, rather than a Bono-vs-Cash duel via combox. Keith Green, along with Larry Norman and Phil Keaggy were all Christian musicians who took their music seriously as art. But they are more the exceptions that prove the rule than representative of the CCM genre, unfortunately. And in Green's case, his lyrics were solid (too solid, I often thought -- very narrowly channeled), and he was a great piano player, but his art was not art that would have appealed to the masses. Artistically, he just wasn't that good (and he was good).<BR/><BR/>Whatever you think of his piano playing skills, there's a lesson in the art of Keith Green. The "right-between-the-eyes-all-the-time" approach has it's place, but it ultimate ends up in the "preaching-to-the-choir" bin, which is unfortunately where Green ended up artistically. <BR/><BR/>So what's left? Compromise and weak-kneed faith? It's a brute fact that straight-ahead preaching is very difficult to pull off in popular art as art; people don't want to be preached to when they are buying a CD for easy listening. That doesn't mean that preaching doesn't have its place; it does. I know you've got a penchant for "right-between-the-eyes-24-7", and as penchants go, that's a commendable one. But the practical effect of demanding that in popular art is to make your art get left by the wayside, ignored. Like so much of CCM, we can pride ourselves on the preaching, but we'll again be wondering why our stuff is never taken seriously as art -- we are on the outisde looking in.<BR/><BR/>Instead, I think we maintain a straightforward stance of preaching and proclaiming, on the street, in the church and everywhere else where people will listen. But let's redeem the arts, realizing that art is art, not a platform for preaching (and yes, preaching is itself an art!). That doesn't mean the Gospel message can't be conveyed through art -- it can -- but it's gonna show through as an organic part of the medium if it's to have any currency as art.<BR/><BR/>As it is, I will point out that while Cash didn't preach to the prisoners at Folsom, even though he could have/should have, he most definitely did minister to those men with his art. He connected with them in a deep, visceral way. The book has a series of comments from inmates about the effect Johnny Cash had in that concert; a clear-eyed realization how broken and lost they were, but that *all* men are, even the famous guy up on the stage, for example. <BR/><BR/>That's art in action, I say. Righteous action. Did it end in an altar call? No, it didn't. Should it have? Perhaps. But here's a classic example where Christians are tempted to make the great the enemy of the good; if it did "peg the needle" as a modern page out the book of Acts, then it must not have been any good at all. <BR/><BR/>That's too bad, because the Gospel works best as a "combined arms" operation: Preachers preach, believers witness, artists make their art, infused and framed by their faith. The message goes forth in different media, sometimes more "in-your-face", sometimes less so, but all converging on the same Gospel message. If you demand that art becomes a form of preaching (as preaching), it just slips through your fingers, and it becomes inert to our cause. But let art be *redeemed* art, and you have a powerful cultural and aesthetic tool that points people toward God. That may not be "ticket" for salvation itself, but it can be -- should be -- a potent force in moving people in that direction, preparing their hearts for when the preaching really *is* delivered. Straight between the eyes.<BR/><BR/>-TouchstoneTouchstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733806892886921425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167318176096066142006-12-28T07:02:00.000-08:002006-12-28T07:02:00.000-08:00So are you implying between the lines that you don...So are you implying between the lines that you don't like songs like:<BR/><I>Your love is extravagant<BR/>Your friendship, it is intimate<BR/>I feel I'm moving to the rhythm of Your grace <BR/>Your fragrance is intoxicating in the secret place<BR/>Cause Your love is extravagant</I><BR/><BR/>{{{shudder}}}4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167316616406972312006-12-28T06:36:00.000-08:002006-12-28T06:36:00.000-08:00On Johnny Cash I have little opinion; on Bono (and...On Johnny Cash I have little opinion; on Bono (and the band) more. But what I wanted to share, tag-teaming with Frank, is this:<BR/><BR/>I'm old enough to remember well the impact when "I Still Haven't Found" came out. <BR/><BR/>The critcs et al. knew that it meant U2 was cool. They weren't going to preach to them. They were lost and still looking around like everyone else. It had the impact of a counter to the evangelistic "I Found It" campaign. U2 was "us," not "them."DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167316144788687912006-12-28T06:29:00.000-08:002006-12-28T06:29:00.000-08:00By "weiner dog" I mean "a lap dog; the kind of car...By "weiner dog" I mean "a lap dog; the kind of carnivore which cannot protect itself against real danger". You can't send a lap dog -- or even an army of lap dogs -- to fight machette-weilding Haitian voodoo zombies.<BR/><BR/>The voodoo zombies would make them into vienna sausages.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to see any Christians made into sausages, literally or figuratively.<BR/><BR/>And thank you for trying to step over the dead horse. This new one here and not the other one.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167315752683554632006-12-28T06:22:00.000-08:002006-12-28T06:22:00.000-08:00A bit on Johnny Cash:He took baptism 4 times accor...A bit on Johnny Cash:<BR/><BR/>He took baptism 4 times according to the biography <I>Cash</I>. He was AOG or Pentecostal, so he believed in personal revelation and daGifts (as we say here at teamPyro). He was a drug addict who never fully recovered and he divorced his first wife to marry another woman.<BR/><BR/>But when he was faced with the matter of speaking to others about what he was, he was clear: he was a sinner saved by Grace, and without Grace, he was nothing. He wasn't looking for something else.<BR/><BR/>Without speaking for Phil, Dan or Pecadillo, I'll go on-record to say that that man went down to his house justified, and I embrace him as a brother in Christ in spite of my stench as a Zwingli-istic baptist legalist and in spite of his stench as a pneumaticistic cheerleader.<BR/><BR/>The sufficiency of Christ is the Gospel -- the rest of that stuff is important but not <I>sufficient</I>, not <I>saving</I>.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167315556793704682006-12-28T06:19:00.000-08:002006-12-28T06:19:00.000-08:00I know this is not in the line of discussion that ...I know this is not in the line of discussion that is here so far, but hey, why don't make a little diversion.<BR/><BR/>Just what do you mean by a "weiner dog?" Do you mean a particular breed like a Daschund?<BR/><BR/>That may sound like a totally irrelevant question, but this whole discussion of U2 and whether or not they are Christians is something I've heard enough about.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1167315266457178232006-12-28T06:14:00.000-08:002006-12-28T06:14:00.000-08:00sfb:I was hoping someone would bring that up. The...sfb:<BR/><BR/>I was hoping someone would bring that up. The lyrics are properly rendered --<BR/><BR/><I>You broke the bonds<BR/>And you loosed the chains<BR/>Carried the cross<BR/>Of my shame<BR/>Of my shame<BR/>You know I <B>believed</B> it<BR/><BR/><B>But I still haven't found what I'm looking for</B><BR/>But I still haven't found what I'm looking for<BR/>But I still haven't found what I'm looking for</I><BR/><BR/>That's a lot different than proclaiming the Gospel: that's proclaiming that it wasn't enough. <BR/><BR/>Would you agree that if I made a teamPyro post that said, "Jesus is Lord and Christ, but I need more than that" it would not be the Gospel but a <I>subversion</I> of the Gospel? If not, how?FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.com