tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post1289441904709270892..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: And he preachedPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73624939760702773642008-12-18T18:49:00.000-08:002008-12-18T18:49:00.000-08:00Ezekiel:True enough. I've read that verse several...Ezekiel:<BR/><BR/>True enough. I've read that verse several times, but forgot about it.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4068717231748556622008-12-18T18:11:00.000-08:002008-12-18T18:11:00.000-08:00Stefan,"In other words, could it be that that Mark...Stefan,<BR/><BR/>"In other words, could it be that that Mark was explicitly stating that the Gospel—or rather, the proclamation of the Gospel—began in the Prophets, such as Isaiah and Malachi?"<BR/><BR/>The Gospel has been preached longer than that. And The Word was preaching it way back in Genesis.<BR/><BR/>Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, In you shall all the nations be blessed.ezekielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11991868400830971195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67336034980335283112008-12-18T08:45:00.000-08:002008-12-18T08:45:00.000-08:00Frank, this was a wonderful post. Thank you.It...Frank, this was a wonderful post. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>It's hard to nail down Mark's Gospel sometimes. There's definitely more depth to his Gospel than at first appears, in contrast to its shortness.<BR/><BR/>We think of it as being brief and action-oriented, but then—for example—he fleshes out some stories more than the other Gospels (like the death of John the Baptist), quotes more of the Shema than the other Evangelists do, and actually has a significant number of parables and teachings amidst all the action.<BR/><BR/>I'll definitely never read 1:1 quite the same way again after your post. I thought of "the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God" as referring to Mark's Gospel, but could it with justice be taken to be referring to the following verses?<BR/><BR/>In other words, could it be that that Mark was explicitly stating that the Gospel—or rather, the proclamation of the Gospel—began in the Prophets, such as Isaiah and Malachi?<BR/><BR/>And it must be significant that he quotes from Isaiah 40, the first glimmmer of light after 39 chapters of bristling divine judgement, in the first of the books of the "Latter Prophets."Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69339379854779564822008-12-18T06:28:00.000-08:002008-12-18T06:28:00.000-08:00I expect you can find updates to Ashley's conditio...I expect you can find updates to Ashley's condition <A HREF="http://havegoneastray.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">here</A>.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79517477722785905742008-12-17T21:29:00.000-08:002008-12-17T21:29:00.000-08:00Frank, would you update us on Ashley's condition?Frank, would you update us on Ashley's condition?Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709263132449139869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13834911928334586132008-12-17T19:16:00.000-08:002008-12-17T19:16:00.000-08:00jeff, my opinion of Peter Ruckman? Probably the mo...jeff, my opinion of Peter Ruckman? Probably the most extreme of the KJV-Only extremists out there. So far that even KJV-Onlyists disavow him. I would stay as far away from him and his teachings as you can.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709263132449139869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3454716310062293822008-12-17T19:12:00.000-08:002008-12-17T19:12:00.000-08:00I'm praying for Ashley, her family and all the fol...I'm praying for Ashley, her family and all the folks written about on that blog. Thank you for allowing me the priviledge to pray for them.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11709263132449139869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51136483125011750002008-12-17T16:41:00.000-08:002008-12-17T16:41:00.000-08:00Back on topic:My pastor is actually doing a series...Back on topic:<BR/><BR/>My pastor is actually doing a series of Christmas messages out of the <I>book of Ruth</I> of all things (one chapter a Sunday for the month of December), and it's incredible. God bless him for it. The Great Story, the drama of the gospel, is as much in the OT as it is in the NT, and more people in the pews need to see that.Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39957088728222816422008-12-17T16:34:00.000-08:002008-12-17T16:34:00.000-08:00The latin is actually "Gloria in excelsis Deo" but...The latin is actually "Gloria in excelsis Deo" but Strong Tower was right on with the translation.Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56356203067167211322008-12-17T14:20:00.000-08:002008-12-17T14:20:00.000-08:00Thanks for the explantion of "en excellsis deo". ...Thanks for the explantion of "en excellsis deo". I've been wondering about that again this Christmas season. I love that hymn by the way.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of KJVonlyism, is anyone hear familiar with Peter Ruckman and his ministry, and what are your thoughts on it, if you have any opinions. Just curious.<BR/><BR/>God blessjeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03607371903891883498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48834004804773204852008-12-17T13:58:00.000-08:002008-12-17T13:58:00.000-08:00Rache:into a feeding trough.This was God Almighty ...Rache:<BR/><BR/><I>into a feeding trough</I>.<BR/><BR/>This was God Almighty who could have ordained to come forth from Solomon's temple. Born in a dirty feeding trough.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45118778303697582882008-12-17T13:45:00.000-08:002008-12-17T13:45:00.000-08:00I've had the privilege of being, ahem, "great with...I've had the privilege of being, ahem, "great with child" three separate times over the Christmas season. It always prompts me to consider the condescension of God to not just suddenly show up one day, oh, say, at the "age of accountability", but to be with us from day 1, in Mary's womb, and subject Himself to all the indignities that birth and babyhood offer up.<BR/><BR/>All of it for us.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the great reminder Frank.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2095146395366732008-12-17T12:44:00.000-08:002008-12-17T12:44:00.000-08:00Ian:One Phil Johnson also prefers the KJV, but he ...Ian:<BR/><BR/>One Phil Johnson also prefers the KJV, but he doesn't idolize it. There is nothing wrong with the KJV which isn't a function of the problem of translation in general.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate your comment here. Thanks.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59908684457325550862008-12-17T12:42:00.000-08:002008-12-17T12:42:00.000-08:00I can take a vow to ignore Kent. I just wanted ev...I can take a vow to ignore Kent. I just wanted everyone to know for certain where Bro. Jeff was headed.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10438152817000955582008-12-17T12:40:00.000-08:002008-12-17T12:40:00.000-08:00I am a KJV user and have been from the start of my...I am a KJV user and have been from the start of my Christian life. I love the KJV and I prefer it to other translations. That said it aint perfect, it certainly isnt better than the Hebrew/Greek texts, and I don't think those who use other versions are necessarily screaming heretics. Moreover I regularly in my study of the Original texts make my own translation and then consult a range of versions for comparison.<BR/>I am appalled by some of the nuttier versions of scripture but I'm also hugely irritated by some of the wilder fringes of KJVOism who give the KJV a bad name. Thats a tragedy.<BR/>Having said all that I enjoyed your post Frank. Keep up the good work.W. Ian Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459780587872163857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26458721584829567552008-12-17T12:27:00.000-08:002008-12-17T12:27:00.000-08:00Sola,Sister Janet Mead's version also departs from...Sola,<BR/><BR/>Sister Janet Mead's version also departs from the KJV in the last phrase, "but save us from evil, and the kingdom, the power and the glory forever will be yours."Mark B. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942591774072214556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2576289945528837762008-12-17T12:08:00.000-08:002008-12-17T12:08:00.000-08:00Frank,Amen and then some. There is so much for wh...Frank,<BR/><BR/>Amen and then some. There is so much for which to rejoice, our salvation included. If we're hungry for theology, the Incarnation contains plenty of it. And it starts with the Person of Christ Himself. <BR/><BR/>On another note, here's hoping that this meta does NOT get derailed by a KJVO dispute. For starters, I can't think of an old song that fits the occasion. Maybe "The Lord's Prayer" hit single version by Sister Janet Mead? And that only because it says "who art in Heaven." <BR/><BR/>Man, I hope Kent B. doesn't see this. We'll be dead meat.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8579852202819866912008-12-17T11:22:00.000-08:002008-12-17T11:22:00.000-08:00Sorry Frank. I thought he asked a real question.Sorry Frank. I thought he asked a real question.Jeremy Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02552780649310262425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72734375189768354172008-12-17T11:05:00.000-08:002008-12-17T11:05:00.000-08:00God in the highest or God the most high. And I thi...God in the highest or God the most high. And I think you meant en excellsis deo. The phrase gloria en excellsis deo then is glory to God in the highest. Or another way, God in highest glory. Either way it means that there is no higher glory than God.Strong Towerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834108238546908018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49536617586727671222008-12-17T10:45:00.000-08:002008-12-17T10:45:00.000-08:00Amen Frank! Amen!Speaking of Christmas Carols, D...Amen Frank! Amen!<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Christmas Carols, Does anyone know what the term "En Excellsus Deo" means? Just asking. Thanks.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03607371903891883498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60132220266311473002008-12-17T10:40:00.000-08:002008-12-17T10:40:00.000-08:00For the KJVO's roiling up a response, let me say t...For the KJVO's roiling up a response, let me say this, btw:<BR/><BR/>Your translation is a marvel and a precious gift of the church to the world. It is not by any means the last word on the translation of the texts in question, and we (you and me) should have the humility to say so.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46095436368662078722008-12-17T10:38:00.000-08:002008-12-17T10:38:00.000-08:00Sola --May I say, with humility and a little fear,...Sola --<BR/><BR/>May I say, with humility and a little fear, that the feeling of being "tired of" preaching about Christmas comes from this: wanting more theology than wanting Jesus.<BR/><BR/>It's an easy mistake to make, but it is a mistake. We could easily preach 10,000 sermons on the atonement -- we calvinists -- and on justification because you know what? We love that. Let me be clear that I love that.<BR/><BR/>But Christmas is about something else which we lose sight of in our systematics: what has been done is not as precious as who has done it.<BR/><BR/>I was listening to contemporized Christmas carols today on the way to work, and whilst listening to "Joy to the World" I was struck by one phrase only: "Let Earth receive Her King".<BR/><BR/>There are 10,000 sermons in that expression of the message of Revelation, which is in fact a restatement of the whole Old Testament. It is Him we rejoice in -- what He has done is only great because He has done it. If I had done it -- pheh! It means nothing. But He has done it.<BR/><BR/>No more let sins and sorrows grow,<BR/>Nor thorns infest the ground;<BR/><I>He comes to make His blessings flow</I><BR/>Far as the curse is found,<BR/>Far as the curse is found,<BR/>Far as, far as, the curse is found.<BR/><BR/>Let Earth receive Her King, my friends! This is the message of Christmas: He is with us -- He comes to us.<BR/><BR/>He rules the world with truth and grace,<BR/>And makes the nations prove<BR/>The glories of His righteousness,<BR/>And wonders of His love,<BR/>And wonders of His love,<BR/>And wonders, wonders, of His love.<BR/><BR/>Good Heavens -- oh for a thousand tounges to sing! Christmas ought to make us feel like Spurgeon for the first time at the pulpit, not like a newscaster reading yesterday's news.<BR/><BR/>And no offense to anyone meant here: this is meant as an encouragement to love Jesus enough to talk about Him.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21103085312137630342008-12-17T10:31:00.000-08:002008-12-17T10:31:00.000-08:00Thanks Frank,Christmas is a time to celebrate and ...Thanks Frank,<BR/><BR/>Christmas is a time to celebrate and ponder in awe the manifestation of God in the flesh. What a wonderful story it is. Indeed, the Greatest Story Ever Told. The Father, giving His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Who could have ever thought up such a wonderful plan of salvation. Thanks be to God!<BR/><BR/>Don't get me started on that KJVO controversy. I'm a different Jeff by the way. The church I go to here in Dayton Ohio is KJVO, and I have to bite my tongue a lot.<BR/><BR/>God bless.jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03607371903891883498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5459943984217757782008-12-17T10:20:00.000-08:002008-12-17T10:20:00.000-08:00I just want to point out that Bro. Jeff Hallmark i...I just want to point out that Bro. Jeff Hallmark is laying a trap for those who want to open the door for him to unleash some KJVO fury.<BR/><BR/>Such as it would be "furious" anyway.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16252103014150642422008-12-17T08:22:00.000-08:002008-12-17T08:22:00.000-08:00In our chapel this morning, one of our people aske...In our chapel this morning, one of our people asked for prayer for pastors during the Christmas season. He's encountered several who have privately told him that they're "tired of preaching about Christmas" to jaded congregations. They seem to find it more rewarding to preach about Easter. <BR/><BR/>That saddens me even though I understand why they're discouraged. I agree that Resurrection Day inspires a whole host of potential messages, but the miracle of the Incarnation should never cease to amaze us. And we should never tire of hearing about it. <BR/><BR/>Without the Incarnation, the Resurrection would not have happened. The miracle of Immanuel - God with us - includes all of it, His birth, His life, His death, burial and resurrection. It's all a wonder.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.com