tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2761751427133147820..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Short and SweetPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42777155621697729802009-01-21T19:02:00.000-08:002009-01-21T19:02:00.000-08:00"Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus. The Jesus of I...<B>"Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus. The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the bible. "</B><BR/><BR/>Yeah, if I read this again I'm gonna say something I'm going to regret. Somebody re-listen to the audio Pamela posted (which isn't hardly as incriminating as pamela has been today).<BR/><BR/>Was the prayer as robust as Al Mohler's prayer? Not hardly. Did it make me proud? It wasn't to me or for me -- and with that, we're done here.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24114308794051424602009-01-21T18:34:00.000-08:002009-01-21T18:34:00.000-08:00I didn’t expect much really. One atheist wrote “It...I didn’t expect much really. One atheist wrote “It was a pretty good prayer”. What really got me was the part “I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life, Yeshua, Isa, Jesus, Jesus (hay-SOOS), who taught us to pray”. Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus. The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the bible. Just another missed opportunity to proclaim Jesus as the only way, truth and life.reformedlawlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410085718261850096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52535081003580710052009-01-21T18:22:00.000-08:002009-01-21T18:22:00.000-08:00"For all of my disappointment that Rick Warren is ..."For all of my disappointment that Rick Warren is the latest poster man for American Christianity, he is still a brother in Christ."<BR/><BR/>Some think Rick is a false teacher.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you Rachel.<BR/><BR/>Why is Rick tip toeing through the theological tulips?<BR/><BR/>I don't know. I wish He was bold in the Gospel, and simply said things like, "Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe, and He is full of grace and mercy. He died for me, a sinner, and He rose from the dead, and I will boast in nothing else on this earth except my Lord and Christ. <BR/><BR/>If you have not come to Christ, and asked for His acceptance and forgiveness, and repented of your sins, then you had better do so. For God promises no one an extra breath in this life, and this may be your last. Today is the day of salvation, come to Christ. Cry out to Him, and confess your sins, and your need for a Savior. <BR/><BR/>His mercy is great, and grace is free. Come to Calvary and be set free from your sin; your condemnation; and the power of Satan. Jesus is a glorious Lord and God. Bow before Him today, and be born anew. If you don't God's wrath will abide upon you, and His judgment is a fearful thing for any sinner."donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22842582132043100352009-01-21T17:21:00.000-08:002009-01-21T17:21:00.000-08:00WOW. I sure picked a great day to have such a full...WOW. I sure picked a great day to have such a full schedule that this is the first moment I've had to check in. 115 comments??? Isn't that some kind of record?<BR/><BR/>I was one of the ones whose brief response at JT's blog was <I>initially</I> positive. I think I said "It was good. He didn't cave. Let's pray for him." There were two reasons for that.<BR/><BR/>1. I meant what I said, but I left a LOT unsaid. This is RICK WARREN. Mr. "Your Best Purpose Now and Jesus Loves You This Much." He is not on my fan list on Facebook. To be blunt, I thought there was a possibility that he would deny Christ. I prayed fervently the night before that he wouldn't, for the sake of his own soul. When he not only didn't, but prayed with what seemed like true sincerity Jesus' own words in the Lord's Prayer, I was truly thankful to God that he didn't cave, when he was under significant pressure to. And I was genuinely moved (or as much as I could be, given that I was in the car driving kids to school) at the sound of a Christian man praying the very prayer of our Lord in an arena where so many could hear.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't responding with a particularly critical ear at that moment. I was just thankful to be hearing the prayer that I know God hears and says yes to. Later I listened again, and I understood and agreed with a lot of the objections. <BR/><BR/>But....<BR/><BR/>2. Justin's site is frequented, as most of us are aware, by a pretty colorful cast of characters, many of whom like to cause trouble but nevertheless are still souls in need of salvation. I was very conscious of their "listening in" to the Monday morning quarterbacking. For all of my disappointment that Rick Warren is the latest poster man for American Christianity, he is still a brother in Christ. And I just wasn't sure that that was the best location to really pick the thing apart. Here, OTOH, it's all good, of course. :)<BR/><BR/>I also wonder if some of the more, ahem, fiery frustration comes particularly from those dear brothers in ministry, who <I>are</I> faithful proclaimers and prayers of God's truth, who are truly called by God to do that, and so feel particular pain when someone else gets an opportunity like that and kind of makes a hash of it.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61722468353939331972009-01-21T17:09:00.000-08:002009-01-21T17:09:00.000-08:00Johnny said… “Just a note about Paul and Mars Hill...Johnny said… “Just a note about Paul and Mars Hill. The ones he had been reasoning with were those in the synagogue, and the marketplace. A small group of philosophers got into it with Paul, and brought him to their Rotary Club. <BR/><BR/>So Johnny…what’s your point? <BR/><BR/>Here’s what the scripture says….<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:17… “Then he reasoned in the synagogoue with the Jews”<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:17… “and with the Gentile worshipers”<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:17… “and in the market place daily with those who happened to be there”<BR/><BR/>Johnny…who was in the marketplace?<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:18… “then certain Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said “What does this babbler want to say”<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:18… “Others said , “He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign gods,” because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.”<BR/><BR/>Acts 17:30-31…"Truly these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Johnny said… “It was a fresh address, and note he did not use the name "Jesus."”<BR/><BR/>Beth said… “WHAT????? is your point?anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07194252226135811667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72550301557007823872009-01-21T16:00:00.000-08:002009-01-21T16:00:00.000-08:00Oh, I might add, mixing a bunch of nonsense about ...Oh, I might add, mixing a bunch of nonsense about what Martin Luther King is doing in heaven with the Lord's prayer is definitely something that makes me consider it token.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49185803540530078912009-01-21T15:44:00.000-08:002009-01-21T15:44:00.000-08:00In fact, I might point out that just because the p...In fact, I might point out that just because the person leading the prayer may or may not be a hypocrite should in no way diminish the prayer of the righteous.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7601020670701003812009-01-21T15:43:00.000-08:002009-01-21T15:43:00.000-08:00There is a bumper sticker that is popular at our c...There is a bumper sticker that is popular at our church. It reads:<BR/><BR/>"America, Bless God."<BR/><BR/>I think that sums up my stance for prayer and action.LeeChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540608568274871363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77631084660782310642009-01-21T15:31:00.000-08:002009-01-21T15:31:00.000-08:00JohnnyYes, the Lord's prayer can be considered tok...<B>Johnny</B><BR/><BR/>Yes, the Lord's prayer can be considered token in many contexts. In fact, it can be a lot worse, it can be blasphemy if wrongly applied. Remember Matthew 6?<BR/><BR/>Hypocrites are people who say they know God but by their works deny Him. If a hypocrite prays the Lord's prayer it's a hypocritical prayer.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89078867061901685202009-01-21T15:30:00.000-08:002009-01-21T15:30:00.000-08:00Sorry, Dan, if I respond to points in the meta. I ...Sorry, Dan, if I respond to points in the meta. I thought that's what it was for. I even responded to specific points. You make a point here. Can I respond?<BR/><BR/>My answer is No, I don't really understand how you can balk at the Lord's Prayer being given publicly no matter WHO is listening. Reciting the words of Jesus in front of non-believes is exactly the sort of thing Christians are supposed to be for. I believe the Spirit does business with non-believers through the Word. I think you do, too.<BR/><BR/>And that's why I think it was just "dandy."James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34948312413553800032009-01-21T15:27:00.000-08:002009-01-21T15:27:00.000-08:00I've quickly waded through the comments and looks ...I've quickly waded through the comments and looks like George Krahn hit the nail on the head.<BR/><BR/>I know I'm just a 21yr old student who took a world religions paper last semester, but when I heard "Isa", I freaked.<BR/><BR/>Arab Christians will very seldomly use Isa, because it is the name of the false Jesus, who did not die on the cross and rise again for the sins of the world.Instead they would use Yasu(sp). Over a billion Muslims would have understood Isa to be the prophet Jesus in the Quran. If Isa changed Rick's life, then we have reason to be cautious. This is more than splitting hairs folks, in a speech/prayer where he chose words so carefully, this could not have been a small oversight.<BR/><BR/>I've thought of doing a sort of expositional commentary on the prayer on my blog, but I'd much prefer to see one from a bigger name. Any takers?<BR/><BR/>Last thing, for a helpful exercise, compare Warrens prayer with Franklin Graham's from the Bush inaugaration in 2001. Google is your friend.<BR/><BR/>-Jono from NZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54147878738619489262009-01-21T14:49:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:49:00.000-08:00Yes, Johnny, we get that you think the prayer was ...Yes, Johnny, we get that you think the prayer was just dandy. How many times, and in how many ways, were you planning on making that point?<BR/><BR/>And you really can't understand why some might think that a prayer given to believers in the context of their being believers and praying as believers may not be THE prayer to use in "leading" an audience of mostly-unbelievers, in praying for an almost-surely-unbeliever?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35773773547014163962009-01-21T14:40:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:40:00.000-08:00Gadzooks. How is praying for our new leaders, in o...Gadzooks. How is praying for our new leaders, in obedience to the Scriptural mandate to do JUST THAT, and to pray the exact prayer Jesus taught his disciples to pray, word for word, and to do it without equivocation in front of millions, "token"? Can the Lord's Prayer, in ANY context, EVER be considered "token"?James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11014124457553656132009-01-21T14:34:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:34:00.000-08:00For those interested, this aired on Moody Radio to...For those interested, <A HREF="http://moodyradiopaulbutler.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/rick-warrens-prayer-of-invocation/" REL="nofollow">this aired</A> on Moody Radio today. Guests include Dr. Erwin Lutzer, Dr. Michael Rydelnik and Dr. Samuel Naaman.The Butlershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04708767246122734221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12051984831521858282009-01-21T14:30:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:30:00.000-08:00I have not read all of the 100+ comments on your B...I have not read all of the 100+ comments on your Blog so I want to give you a link that I found in my Google Reader about the three names that Warren used in closing his prayer - http://www.loveforthetruth.com/2009/01/20/praying-in-the-name-of-isa/ - if this post is truth then Warren did not pray in the NAME of Jesus alone.George R. Krahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04203817877101682757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-57941710385235878842009-01-21T14:17:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:17:00.000-08:00That is ultimately what I was wrestling with, Rick...That is ultimately what I was wrestling with, Rick.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure that's where I come down, but I think that's the thesis statement I am wrestling with.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53746612560003348612009-01-21T14:15:00.000-08:002009-01-21T14:15:00.000-08:00Let us be honest:Rick Warren was asked to provide ...Let us be honest:<BR/><BR/>Rick Warren was asked to provide a token prayer that was basically ceremonial and within that context it was acceptable. I believe its spiritual impact was well within that same context.Rick Fruehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05879848568892457571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74868059332850626662009-01-21T13:46:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:46:00.000-08:00I completely agree. I pray for those who do that o...I completely agree. I pray for those who do that on purpose or out of their own pain. Either way, it's sin that should be dealt with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52017655091069890792009-01-21T13:39:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:39:00.000-08:00Beth -- nothing in my inbox.Let me try a different...Beth -- nothing in my inbox.<BR/><BR/>Let me try a different address from me.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31544741723729926292009-01-21T13:37:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:37:00.000-08:00101 and counting101 and countingFX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5894289510791521302009-01-21T13:13:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:13:00.000-08:00Michelle..I can agree with that wholeheartedly. I'...Michelle..I can agree with that wholeheartedly. I'd love to read your blog post when you complete it as I would no doubt learn quite a bit. <BR/><BR/>Healing is certainly needed as the wounds inflicted were deep. I think we could also both agree that those who seek to exacerbate the wounds instead of healing them ought to be ashamed of themselves. <BR/><BR/>May God bless you abundantly!Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88126192840061827422009-01-21T13:08:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:08:00.000-08:00Yes, I did. let me resend.Yes, I did. let me resend.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80304255138101301622009-01-21T13:02:00.000-08:002009-01-21T13:02:00.000-08:00Solemeanie - I am not condoning in any way Dr. Low...Solemeanie - I am not condoning in any way Dr. Lowry's use of the poem. In fact, I stated that he was ill-advised to use it.<BR/><BR/>I could go on, but won't because we would be derailing the meta - perhaps I'll blog about this myself to clarify. In a nutshell, it's a matter of healing that has yet to take place in that generation. That's all I'll say on the matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48835043207458623452009-01-21T12:57:00.000-08:002009-01-21T12:57:00.000-08:00It was the Gospel of Victimization. Like Ann Coult...It was the Gospel of Victimization. Like Ann Coulter says, "The first one to be offended, wins." So there's something wrong with every race - except blacks. Their only problem is that they're victims.<BR/><BR/>Me, I say there are only two races, and the in-Adam one all has the SAME problem.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21119495031466219802009-01-21T12:51:00.000-08:002009-01-21T12:51:00.000-08:00Michelle,I understand and appreciate the historica...Michelle,<BR/><BR/>I understand and appreciate the historical background. What I have a hard time understanding is the refusal of many of the more high-profile civil rights fellows to acknowledge any progress on the race issue, most notably Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. As I noted to Dan, actor Will Smith captured exactly the right tone and sentiment in an essay published in USA Today -- for which he'll probably catch a lot of heat. To me, Lowrey's comment was a slap, and didn't seem to mesh well with the fact that Mr. Obama had been elected president. <BR/><BR/>But, we don't want to derail the meta with a potential argument on racial matters, do we? (smile)<BR/><BR/>Now, that would be ironic. Me derailing one of Frank's metas, and without a musical allusion.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.com