tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post2955970713087869926..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: You say Hiatus, I say ...Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-798942717631658262013-09-11T06:46:48.392-07:002013-09-11T06:46:48.392-07:00Hey Frank... Vacation/hiatus stinks when you don&#...Hey Frank... Vacation/hiatus stinks when you don't put "the technology" aside. Unplug.105 theiveVKylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137758239305541715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63951388962063298602013-09-10T05:22:46.922-07:002013-09-10T05:22:46.922-07:00"My wife is fantastically-generous with me wh..."My wife is fantastically-generous with me when I ask nice."<br /><br />Ha! I thought you ALWAYS ask nice. Great post.Tim Bushonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361674501531239434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86276946636441673432013-09-09T12:54:31.559-07:002013-09-09T12:54:31.559-07:00Frank is the Phil Collins of the blogging world. H...Frank is the Phil Collins of the blogging world. His "FIrst Final Farewell Tour." (totally tongue-in-cheek, of course, in true Brit fashion)<br /><br />I'm also thinking of the old WWF/WWE days when Jesse Ventura would do color commentary on Hulk Hogan's title matches. When Hogan would win again, Ventura would splutter and fume, then say "That did it. I'm just gonna have to come out of retirement and win this thing." <br /><br />I could go on with this fun, but then Frank might resurrect the clown and nail me with it. ;)Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2746279645933264142013-09-09T11:54:25.672-07:002013-09-09T11:54:25.672-07:00Frank,
That video (the Derek Webb one, not Pat Be...Frank,<br /><br />That video (the Derek Webb one, not Pat Benatar - gotta admit, didn't see that one coming) is, for me, further evidence that the point you've been making about artists is not a passing or peripheral one, but actually goes to the heart of What Is Wrong. The modern notion of "artist" that centers on autonomous self-expression is <i>poisonous</i> when we make that a platform on which we stand to be a "voice in the church." It forgets at least two things: for most of human history, "art" has been a <b>service industry</b>, and the Christian version of "artist" fences its definition with the stone walls of "under the lordship of Christ."<br /><br />And I say all this as someone who has formally studied and earns my living in the arts.Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31474219526152433182013-09-09T11:23:13.406-07:002013-09-09T11:23:13.406-07:00Aha! I knew it!!
Do I get any Pyropoints for pr...Aha! I knew it!! <br /><br />Do I get any Pyropoints for predicting it?Aaron Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551668915973379312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21956968274470495972013-09-08T11:24:20.580-07:002013-09-08T11:24:20.580-07:00" Just when I thought I was out... they pull ..." Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in."APMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09981769512480371230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64315957870311465552013-09-07T20:13:58.220-07:002013-09-07T20:13:58.220-07:00Rob- unfortunately, that's the live tweet str...Rob- unfortunately, that's the live tweet stream, not an image. I'll see what I can do. It turns up again in Derek' video as well. FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75225450848514540182013-09-07T20:08:06.175-07:002013-09-07T20:08:06.175-07:00@DJP: Do you see what I meant in my Facebook comme...@DJP: Do you see what I meant in my Facebook comments now? Seriously... why do people prod the Turk? Didn't they see the sign?Chris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09852172543604796279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82497268066095773702013-09-07T17:19:19.096-07:002013-09-07T17:19:19.096-07:00Maybe you're the person Webb's referring t...Maybe you're the person Webb's referring to when he says he was wrong, he's sorry, and he loves you?MariePhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068136449955788896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12892733846409346822013-09-07T12:31:22.596-07:002013-09-07T12:31:22.596-07:00Might I suggest a Photoshop blurring of the word u...Might I suggest a Photoshop blurring of the word used in his response tweet? I see enough profanity at HuffingPaint, and don't need to see it here at Pyro...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13068196575763786944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11700963361788108692013-09-07T10:29:51.729-07:002013-09-07T10:29:51.729-07:00I don't know who any of the people are but gre...I don't know who any of the people are but great post, Turk. Welcome back from Hiatus! I'll debate you anytime in C-Bus Ohio. Delta flies here, bro. I'll even supply the food.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21824170724315136332013-09-07T10:05:19.339-07:002013-09-07T10:05:19.339-07:00There's only one thing which will bring me bac...There's only one thing which will bring me back out of hiatus early, and it is listed in this post.<br /><br />After that: spend your time wisely. Responding to this post will not be one of those things.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82984132547030495692013-09-07T06:20:00.371-07:002013-09-07T06:20:00.371-07:00(cont. from first comment)
The problem you rightl...(cont. from first comment)<br /><br />The problem you rightly addressed from the beginning (one I admit I still have when I go back to read that HuffPo piece) is why didn't Derek clearly represent the Gospel when asked --and asked in a very choice situation where thousands if not millions would read it. <br /><br />And (barring the slight possibility that editorial changes to his answers blurred out any Gospel explicitness), I agree that Derek blew it. And I think he's admitting now, three years later, that he was wrong and he's sorry. <br /><br />That's why the Tweets with Rachel were so instructive. Where many just lose their patience (and I'll sheepishly admit I chuckled at "execrable" and I probably shouldn't have), Derek clearly volunteered to exhibit those fruits of the spirit you cite in an otherwise patience-trying and tense situation.<br /><br />This is also why I have some hope that he would actually relent and accept your invitation. I do fear this may be a Frank : Derek :: Derek : Questlove situation. But I think this sort of reconciliation among the brethren is going to be more and more necessary, the more we as Christians move from a ‘moral majority’ into a ‘prophetic minority’ in our culture and context. We need each other. This is where it has to start. And that’s the whole message of his new album, after all.<br /><br />Thanks again, Frank. Let me know if you would like me to respond in full-- happy to oblige either way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17399500722324455561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70171374007022743562013-09-07T06:18:56.286-07:002013-09-07T06:18:56.286-07:00Frank, thanks for stepping in from your hiatus to ...Frank, thanks for stepping in from your hiatus to submit this very fair response. I expected to get slapped around at least little (alas, my posture of expectation for most of life), but you were very kind. That is a great relief, and I am glad to spur along good discussion.<br /><br />For the record, I agree that the snark or name-calling was really not found in your original post. Asthis is the interwebs, that general incivility I mentioned sort of crept in over the last three years among the crowd of folks commenting, recollecting, Tweeting etc. And I think it’s to be found on both sides, without question.<br /><br />You did a great job catching my strategy: my mix of old and (mostly) new material was intentional. I thought long and hard about just responding to you point-by-point, but I didn't want this to turn into a Reformation-style disputation exchange. I wanted a heartfelt (and somewhat concise and accessible) dialogue, so I made some strategic decisions of focus.<br /><br />My goal wasn't so much to refute your Open Letter as to limit the scope of its critique --namely, keeping it to the content of Derek's replies in the HuffPo interview, and not making it a broader referendum on his beliefs, past and present. The evidence I proffered was an attempt at defining the person to whom we refer, that the HuffPo response was an exception, not the rule. You did a great job being willing to stipulate those things, so I think I at least was able to bring to light the points of agreement between you and Derek.<br /><br />I wanted to clear up any insinuation that Derek had/has somehow fallen away from the faith. As I mention in my review of Stockholm Syndrome, I made the tough decision to give him the benefit of the doubt. My hypothesis: the interview, venue, audience, word choices he was making (even playing at Wild Goose, which ruffled even my feathers) were for Gospel reasons, even if I couldn't see them. <br /><br />I don't want to try to provide a point-by-point response in my comment here, as that would be as laborious for you to read as it would be for me to write. I also respect your time and the hiatus, knowing that if I write the kind of reply your points deserve, it'd be like you never left. So, really quickly:<br /><br />I don't think the intention of the gluttony analogy is to redefine hamartiology. I think the utility of it is less in describing the nature of the sins, and more in how it illuminates how we ought to treat one another given those sins. I think that part of it is still effective. You’re right- someone who confronts a friend on his sin is not by definition a jerk. But, someone who starts every single interaction with that friend like that (the thought experiment we are asked to consider) probably is a jerk. <br /><br />It's that ever-cited balance between love and truth. We need them both. Folks accuse Derek of weighing too heavily on love and not enough on truth. Folks accuse you (any Calvinist it seems) with weighing too much on the truth, and not enough on love. My take: if those criticisms are accurate, then both you and Derek have what we need. (cont.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17399500722324455561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91128631595095759862013-09-07T06:10:57.211-07:002013-09-07T06:10:57.211-07:00I'm vaguely reminded of a somewhat prominent p...I'm vaguely reminded of a somewhat prominent pastor who was formerly a charter member of the church where I grew up. In his later years he came back and preached a farewell sermon to us. Several, actually. We began comparing his farewell sermons and discussing which ones we found the most profitable.<br /><br />Farewell, Frank. Enjoy your hiatus. See you in a week or two. Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20595827597526287832013-09-07T05:27:53.761-07:002013-09-07T05:27:53.761-07:00Best (and shortest) Sinatra retirement evar.
More...<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sinatra#1970.E2.80.9380:_Retirement_and_comeback" rel="nofollow">Best (and shortest) Sinatra retirement evar</a>.<br /><br />More!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com