tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3375128389594660361..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: The power of the word of God: oft-overlooked ramificationsPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46614285364045415322015-03-21T17:01:23.689-07:002015-03-21T17:01:23.689-07:00I resonate with MJ's sentiments. I'm havi...I resonate with MJ's sentiments. I'm having difficulty relating to many women in my church who have bought into this way of operating, Merrilee Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770625841767761025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-9906952228116272222015-03-21T13:28:50.435-07:002015-03-21T13:28:50.435-07:00I'm young and relatively recently saved and I ...I'm young and relatively recently saved and I can say I know how MJ feels. You're not alone.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89013069036337551832015-03-21T13:04:32.666-07:002015-03-21T13:04:32.666-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715531242740701060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71046531186460153342015-03-21T10:07:47.131-07:002015-03-21T10:07:47.131-07:00That is so encouraging. Thanks for sharing!That is so encouraging. Thanks for sharing!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25483217662258012572015-03-21T07:33:18.931-07:002015-03-21T07:33:18.931-07:00I'm a recovering charismatic and I have to say...I'm a recovering charismatic and I have to say thank you AGAIN for your sensible, logical, biblically-grounded articles. They help strengthen my convictions of Sola (sufficient) Scriptura.stirringshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08837257659967036236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41970397533702240712015-03-18T13:55:23.355-07:002015-03-18T13:55:23.355-07:00"The Lord told me..."
I thought the poi..."The Lord told me..."<br /><br />I thought the point was that the Lord has in fact told me (and you). The question is not whether or not the Lord told us: the question is "through what venue did He tell us?" <br /><br />The only acceptable venue in today's post-Apostolic/post-miraculous gift era in which to countenance "the Lord told me" is that He tells us in the Scripture. Period. That's it. That's all we got.<br /><br />And, that is completely sufficient.Guymon Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15206582030265285606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29324667396874237772015-03-18T10:44:34.105-07:002015-03-18T10:44:34.105-07:00I have found it best not to correct people in the ...I have found it best not to correct people in the moment when they are having a God told them so experience...particularly if God told them to buy my groceries.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79824611494353438902015-03-18T10:14:36.011-07:002015-03-18T10:14:36.011-07:00My kids would never consider that my words to them...My kids would never consider that my words to them might be useful but not authoritative. Maybe they're just not learned enough to think something so incredibly stupid.<br /><br />How many places does this idea of semi-authoritative kinda-revelation creep up? Any time someone starts with "God is calling me to...", he will be sinning if he doesn't, and you're sinning if you question it. Faith pledges where God laid it on your heart to give so much, building programs that God gave us a vision for, ministries we believe the Spirit told us to start. God's leading us to adopt from China - are you sinning if you adopt local instead?<br /><br />All of those cases, by invoking God's word, the issue ceases to be one of wisdom and becomes a matter of sin or obedience. It can be especially dangerous when actual, Biblical commands are ignored in favor of pretend commands we sorta think God might be impressing on us. Semi-revelation is the new Pharisaical tradition.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14869883359736470852015-03-17T20:41:35.028-07:002015-03-17T20:41:35.028-07:00The events in 1 Kings 13 seems like a relevant nar...The events in 1 Kings 13 seems like a relevant narrative to this very topic. <br /><br />The man of God was told something very clearly from God himself, but he trusted the words of the old prophet rather than what he already heard. Its a difficult chapter to reason through, honestly. On one hand it's not the man of God's fault for feeling obligated to change his path at the words of a prophet claiming to have heard from an angel, but he still disobeyed what God first said to him. Perhaps it should have taken a word directly from God to change his course, as with Abraham when he went to sacrifice Isaac at Moriah. <br /><br />The tragic thing is that the old prophet lied. It doesn't name his as a false prophet, and his actions in burying the man show some degree of repentance, but ultimately he made the terrible mistake of using God's name in vain, and it cost someone their life. He offered comfort and hospitality to someone who had been commanded to go without. I'm not really aware of any prophecy that calls an individual to ease and comfort; more often individuals are called to strife, hardship and responsibility. Even if you take a continuationist perspective there ought to be automatic suspicion of any 'word' that would lead you away from challenges and progress. Zac Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02814074040708083807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44781363599871073622015-03-17T14:28:28.517-07:002015-03-17T14:28:28.517-07:00"God told me personally, 'Hey, buck up, m..."God told me personally, 'Hey, buck up, my precious darling cuddly lambie-dear, I just want to cuddle you close in sweet saccharine waves of My unconditional love and approval, and have great plans for you'"<br /><br />This is not only very funny, it pretty much sums up most of the "personal revelations" I've been told.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52458365959819317442015-03-17T12:02:34.624-07:002015-03-17T12:02:34.624-07:00"If what they speak is a word of God, I am mo..."If what they speak is a word of God, I am morally obligated to believe it."<br /><br />A really, really good point. There's no middle ground. Can I add a corollary to what you said? If what they speak is the word of God and you are *NOT* morally obligated to believe it, then neither are you morally obligated to believe anything in scripture, and that includes the Resurrection or any of God's commandments. If we didn't a high view of Scripture, we'd think just as Charismatics do and as non-beleivers do. That is, the revelations and accounts of miracles in the Bible are no different than the writings of modern-day Charismatics. Today's charismatic is tomorrow's prophet, and today's heretical delusions are tomorrow's scripture. The Charismatic, like the Biblical figures of old, both perform miracles with eye-witnesses, but for some reason they never seem to leave behind any hard evidence and they always happen in a different country or a different time. I even once saw an Onion-worthy article (on the bibchr twitter feed) where Charismatics wonder why miracles only seem to happen in foreign countries. I can't say this enough: if we ever fixed their low view of Scripture, the entire Charismatic movement would just disappear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38706023682072125692015-03-17T08:34:34.164-07:002015-03-17T08:34:34.164-07:00"My, that sounds like a clever way to keep Ch..."My, that sounds like a clever way to keep Christians off-focus, doesn't it? Devilishly clever!"<br /><br />Yes indeed Dan, Screwtape would be proud.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13786276018846235569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4971976595340508552015-03-17T08:23:46.747-07:002015-03-17T08:23:46.747-07:00Frank is right.
Again.Frank is right.<br /><br />Again.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64901381622777619082015-03-17T08:08:03.562-07:002015-03-17T08:08:03.562-07:00I figure 1 John 4:1-6 to be key in this, not only ...I figure 1 John 4:1-6 to be key in this, not only verse 2 but also verse 6. I may be wrong, but it seems as though the "we" in verse 6 is referring only to the Apostles. If that's the case, then anything beyond what the Apostles of Christ have said is not authoritative. We will know a teacher's true spirit if he proclaims only the gospel, doesn't go beyond what the Apostles of Christ taught us in Scripture, and doesn't deny their teachings.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23123825281294595612015-03-17T07:34:52.417-07:002015-03-17T07:34:52.417-07:00I'll say it: anyone who has not yet listened t...I'll say it: anyone who has not yet listened to Dan's first talk from the SuffFire Conference has missed out.<br /><br />Big Time.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73888463428121412702015-03-17T07:31:02.177-07:002015-03-17T07:31:02.177-07:00I wish I could only count on one hand the number o...I wish I could only count on one hand the number of times I've had to bring up this very thought in conversations that ended up in the "The Lord told me..." pit.<br /><br />As you stated at Sufficient Fire (and demonstrated - great gestures, btw), we have two choices: "word from God" and "not word from God". If there's wiggle room for "The Lord told me..." then we have a LOT of prophets never accounted for by the Bible. And bad ones at that.Randy Talleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442598590753709382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85427086876204066912015-03-17T04:51:08.322-07:002015-03-17T04:51:08.322-07:00Good thoughts, Dan. I often wonder why people can...Good thoughts, Dan. I often wonder why people can't just say they are informed by Scripture and that the Holy Spirit illumines their minds in interpretation and application of Scripture. Why does anybody need to say that God spoke directly to them outside of Scripture in order to live out life in a manner worthy of the name of Christ? That certainly goes against what Scripture says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 - Scripture is sufficient for the Christian to be complete and equipped for <i>every</i> good work. <br /><br />It is truly sad to me that continuationists don't work out how the implications of what they say they believe go against what Paul wrote to Timothy here. And even sadder to think of the train wreck that charismaticism with the cover provided to them.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71968564409147069242015-03-17T04:40:08.349-07:002015-03-17T04:40:08.349-07:00Amen, this seems to be the gist of what Peter was ...Amen, this seems to be the gist of what Peter was saying when he said "that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation."Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.com