tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3795325163144400947..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Ways to profit from an expository sermonPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18422978691596985822012-10-24T08:21:38.563-07:002012-10-24T08:21:38.563-07:00@trogdor - our church goes further and provides a ...@trogdor - our church goes further and provides a handout (along with a sermon outline) with additional study and questions for each day of the following week. It gives a method for additional bible study/quiet time that builds upon the sermon.<br /><br />Wait, Trogdor, your talking about a church you formerly attended? Don't you know you are never allowed to leave a church?David A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11107738700257561592012-10-24T05:48:51.497-07:002012-10-24T05:48:51.497-07:00That's encouraging to hear, Rachel. It's a...That's encouraging to hear, Rachel. It's an area in which my own appreciation and understanding has (I hope) grown over the decades. In early days, so high was my view of Scripture that I unknowingly felt as if the power were built-in and virtually automatic: just study it right and preach it right and it will do its work. Of course, there's a great deal of truth in that and my view of Scripture is still just as high; but I've also grown more to understand (again, I hope) the ongoing relational and spiritual dynamic, the need of the pastor for the Spirit's work as he studies and prepares, his need of the Spirit's work as he preaches and exhorts and pleads and instruct, and hearers' need of the Spirit's work as they listen and hear and heed.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18851251749510751412012-10-23T22:29:26.710-07:002012-10-23T22:29:26.710-07:00Thank you so much for this post! It was a wonderf...Thank you so much for this post! It was a wonderful encouragement. Several of the points I already do (outlines, note taking, finding all the verses, etc.), but the one that I really want to start adding into our Sunday AM routine is spending some time doing a review of the passage being taught that Sunday.<br /><br />I'm shamed to say this, but the prayer part for my pastor and my own understanding didn't even cross my mind until you suggested it. That one seems to be the most important of the bunch, and the most obvious, but at least it can now be immediately rectified.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03824751086238577923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90059286767099714032012-10-23T18:08:48.328-07:002012-10-23T18:08:48.328-07:00#10 seems to be aimed at non-believers, but there&...#10 seems to be aimed at non-believers, but there's great use in discussing things with fellow believers, too. The question I picked up somewhere is: how is the manner of your life in regard to these things?<br /><br />This is great after-church or lunchtime or drive home conversation. We just truth X and exhortation Y - how are we doing? How can we live it out, where are we lacking, where are we showing it to be true?<br /><br />One church I formerly attended took this concept to another level - one option for small groups was 'pulpit curriculum'. They'd prepare questions based on the current sermon series designed to drive the truth home and promote reflection/application (a great place for those extra 39 points you didn't have time to fit in). You could do much of the same with a mid-week email with reminders, further application questions, and maybe a preview of next week's sermon.trogdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452996348717802065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37749997916958919952012-10-23T10:11:10.066-07:002012-10-23T10:11:10.066-07:00Good point.Good point.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76164451939314968492012-10-23T10:10:29.684-07:002012-10-23T10:10:29.684-07:00Good post but you did forget one thing. Podcast t...Good post but you did forget one thing. Podcast the sermon and listen to it later! After all, the sound guys go through a lot of effort to record and upload the sermon each week. ;)<br /><br />Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58159780801198337402012-10-23T09:43:17.471-07:002012-10-23T09:43:17.471-07:00Excellent points, and highly practical. Please sha...Excellent points, and highly practical. Please share with readers that number 2 is nothing to be ashamed of. Pastors enjoy this practice of discovery very much, as a whole. And number 10 cannot be overemphasized. Talking it though with someone else has so many benefits. Plus, if the other person heard the message for themselves, number 2 might kick back in again after the sermon.Chip Van Emmerikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03594803226987041563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6067632026529434132012-10-23T09:32:41.592-07:002012-10-23T09:32:41.592-07:00What a wonderful list of suggestions!
You remind ...What a <i>wonderful</i> list of suggestions!<br /><br />You remind me of how much I appreciate our pastor, who does make his outline obvious under the guise of it being “for the kids”, but oh-so-helpful for the rest of us as well. I find myself re-outlining his sermon as I take notes. (As a side note, as well as posting the sermon online for later listening, he also posts his notes. Very helpful for us visual learners.)<br /><br />He encourages the <i>kids</i> to take notes, (which they post on the refrigerator in the church kitchen), and then he acknowledges them by name from the pulpit the following Sunday. That simple recognition and encouragement - which only takes a moment - has done wonders to inspire diligence and attentiveness in my own boys, and I would assume in others as well.<br /><br />And hurray for mentioning #3 ;D<br /><br />Julie G<br />Herding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47618890008722724192012-10-23T09:09:22.710-07:002012-10-23T09:09:22.710-07:00How about this as an addendum?
The first thing yo...How about this as an addendum?<br /><br />The first thing you mention to your pastor after the sermon should not be the 2 times he mis-spoke or the couple verses which may have been out of context.<br /><br />There may, in fact, be a place for clarification - or even a need for correction. But while he is standing there after pouring out his heart shaking hands with the folks for whom he labored is not the time, IMHO.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51617975321474007592012-10-23T05:47:29.341-07:002012-10-23T05:47:29.341-07:00And if I might add, as a pastor, one more that you...And if I might add, as a pastor, one more that you already alluded to in your own past life as a church member, sit closer to the front! And remember what happened to a fellow who didn't! Matthew 26:58<br /><br />And from a secular article in USA Today: "Still, sitting closer to the front of the room does have an effect on student-teacher rapport, which is linked to greater academic performance. Students who choose to sit in the front may find it easier to maintain eye contact, and there is a greater likelihood that the student will be spoken to."Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70220345427871869602012-10-23T05:37:36.670-07:002012-10-23T05:37:36.670-07:00I also use a journal for note taking and to supple...I also use a journal for note taking and to supplement the outline. Very helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61550332721319297282012-10-23T05:24:41.627-07:002012-10-23T05:24:41.627-07:00I'm going to try #5 next week and see if that ...I'm going to try #5 next week and see if that doesn't help my understanding of the sermon. <br /><br />I usually read the sermon text beforehand but never I've considered doing it afterward. <br /><br />I like this list. Thanks for some great advice!Scothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573138499478048502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12497361774244993722012-10-23T04:53:29.324-07:002012-10-23T04:53:29.324-07:00Great stuff Dan, thanks. For additional reading, K...Great stuff Dan, thanks. For additional reading, Ken Ramey's book Expository Listening is a tremendous help for preachers and listeners. Highly recommended.Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14267209534963787172012-10-23T04:24:01.979-07:002012-10-23T04:24:01.979-07:00Very pastorally-minded post; exhortation with grac...Very pastorally-minded post; exhortation with grace and humility...thanks!Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10148051372220453729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76898242664432311502012-10-23T03:41:42.137-07:002012-10-23T03:41:42.137-07:00eeutedShould I assume that "attend to" w...eeutedShould I assume that "attend to" was used twice in a row as a humorous rhetorical device to remind us to pay attention here, too? If so, good one!<br /><br />This was immensely helpful, with some excellent advice, some of which I had heard before, and other parts which seem obvious now that I've read it. Particularly the part about passing it on!Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478685406690986049noreply@blogger.com