tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post3992216936726472819..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: When the Dog runs the HousePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger134125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52598731954652765302010-09-08T20:06:38.145-07:002010-09-08T20:06:38.145-07:00Rob, you're not listening; which, alas, is not...Rob, you're not listening; which, alas, is not news.<br /><br />Read my last comments to you, where I answer your questions directly, and more. You really aren't getting it.<br /><br />And, unless something changes in you, you really are done.<br /><br />If one of the other admins is awake and wants to babysit the thread, he can reopen. Until then, comments closed.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37453132957398691772010-09-08T19:19:08.713-07:002010-09-08T19:19:08.713-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Zippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429518989623714898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70028832500664111252010-09-08T19:14:41.129-07:002010-09-08T19:14:41.129-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Zippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429518989623714898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-10391358675845814972010-09-08T19:13:25.250-07:002010-09-08T19:13:25.250-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Zippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429518989623714898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12709109665381746612010-09-08T18:35:35.708-07:002010-09-08T18:35:35.708-07:00Ah, Rob Auld is a greater fool than David.
First...Ah, Rob Auld is a greater fool than David. <br /><br />First: <i>nothing</i> excludes faith, and <i>no</i> natural-history evidence is self-interpreting. You live by faith as surely as the Christian. The only difference is your faith is baseless, and you don't admit it.<br /><br />Second: then you do not even understand the faith you try so pathetically to attack.<br /><br />To yours. Easy:<br /><br />1. False premise, ergo false conclusion.<br /><br />2. False (loaded definitions of "smartest," etc.).<br /><br />So, what we've learned about you, Rob, is that:<br /><br />1. You don't understand the first thing about epistemology.<br /><br />2. You don't understand the first thing about the Christian faith.<br /><br />3. Your method of argument is to begin with the announcement that the conclusion that your interpretation is fact, then announce victory.<br /><br />So here's the deal. You need to bring up your game, and show you're capable of learning something, and of self-criticism.<br /><br />Otherwise you're just hear to propagandize for a sub-sect of "science" that exists by exclusion of the primary evidence.<br /><br />But your propagandizing and brow-beating, Rob?<br /><br />Stops here.<br /><br />This is not a therapy clinic for folks who need, but won't accept, help.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78358429389605393562010-09-08T18:21:33.573-07:002010-09-08T18:21:33.573-07:00First —
False. The evidence of an old earth is ov...First — <br />False. The evidence of an old earth is overwhelming. There is no other interpretation of the evidence using the scientific method (this excludes faith) <br /><br />Second — false. The Christian faith ignores the evidence in light of their faith. We could have video of the event and you wouldn't accept it because it violates your interpretation of the Bible. I want to qualify this as your Christian faith. Ive met plenty of informed Christians who don't have your challenges. <br /><br />My turn,<br /><br />DJP the evidence of an old earth greatly exceeds that of a young earth if you only use objective evidence. True or false <br /><br />The overwhelming number of PHD's and the most educated people in the world agree with me and not you. True or false. <br /><br />In order to hold your position you must believe that the vast majority of the smartest and most educated people are wrong, and you who have not studied evolution or geology are right. True or false. <br /><br />This should be a great test of the arrogance factor.Zippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429518989623714898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77481851986933572292010-09-08T07:02:43.569-07:002010-09-08T07:02:43.569-07:00...except, reminding everyone, Rob posts no commen......except, reminding everyone, Rob posts no comments anywhere until he responds to my questions.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6360342308114322782010-09-08T06:56:36.140-07:002010-09-08T06:56:36.140-07:00Rob,
Since your profile is empty, I thought I'...Rob,<br /><br />Since your profile is empty, I thought I'd ask...what is your background? Do you have some sort of degree or profession? Just wondering where your vast knowledge comes from.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91842226840941774482010-09-08T04:24:14.469-07:002010-09-08T04:24:14.469-07:00OK, Rob, your turn: your next comment on this blog...OK, Rob, your turn: your next comment on this blog will answer these two questions directly. It will take discipline and focus, but if you try hard, perhaps you can do it.<br /><br />First — true or false: your view of the age of the earth, evolution, etc. is just one possible interpretation of evidence that does not interpret itself. There are other interpretations.<br /><br />Second — true or false: the Christian position rests on just such a differing interpretation of the same evidence, an interpretation including the evidence of the Bible, which we affirm to be the word of God.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16819462913285601342010-09-07T20:54:37.013-07:002010-09-07T20:54:37.013-07:00Djp
Those are some dumb questions. Didn't thi...Djp<br /><br />Those are some dumb questions. Didn't think it was possible to get dumber then the post...but you managed it. <br /><br />The evidence exists and is overwhelming. Choose to ignore it if you want to but it won't go away. The longer you hold this untenable position the faster you move towards irrelevance. <br /><br />I welcome those trying to reconcile faith with reality. It shows that they're healthy people. Choosing to deny reality and live in fantasy is a sign of mental illness.Zippyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17429518989623714898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54012807575634680552010-09-07T13:19:38.639-07:002010-09-07T13:19:38.639-07:00Yes, David, we've dealt with that at length. S...Yes, David, we've dealt with that at length. Sorry if you missed it,.<br /><br />To your previous: it's a very basic question, and off-topic. <a href="http://www.bibchr.com/whychr.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> will point you to the answer. Unless you just don't want the answer, in which case none of us can help you.<br /><br />But as of today, you're through derailing. In case my betters here are busy, I will be the judge.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31270110317238812222010-09-07T12:57:37.850-07:002010-09-07T12:57:37.850-07:00Oh, and lots of people include the Bible in their ...Oh, and lots of people include the Bible in their interpretations and they look at fossils, etc., and they also come to the conclusion that the Earth is old. So, including the Bible does not seem to automatically lead to YEC/Global Flood.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82600282977117660452010-09-07T12:51:21.676-07:002010-09-07T12:51:21.676-07:00"Was there any other point you wanted to make..."Was there any other point you wanted to make here?"<br /><br />Yeah. How do you know you have the word of God?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86472055570713860502010-09-07T12:05:45.437-07:002010-09-07T12:05:45.437-07:00Okay, so you champion an interpretation, an opinio...Okay, so you champion an interpretation, an opinion held by some, that leaves out the single most critical piece of evidence: the Word of God.<br /><br />Was there any other point you wanted to make here, or can you just move on, now?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49647503486896660392010-09-07T11:42:32.240-07:002010-09-07T11:42:32.240-07:00Just to be clear, my answers would be true and tru...Just to be clear, my answers would be true and true.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76373211307294622092010-09-07T11:40:21.740-07:002010-09-07T11:40:21.740-07:00"True or false: your view of the age of the e..."True or false: your view of the age of the earth, evolution, etc. is just one possible interpretation of evidence that does not interpret itself. There are other interpretations."<br /><br />Well, yes, there are always other interpretations for anything that we observe. I'm pretty sure that I answered this question way back up the comment thread when I talked about interpreting the movements of the sun across the sky and when I talked about the "apparent age" of the Bible. What matters is how we try to answer the question "is my interpretation accurate?". Maybe it wasn't clear, but I really thought that I address this point already. <br /><br />"True or false: the Christian position rests on just such a differing interpretation of the same evidence, an interpretation including the evidence of the Bible, which we affirm to be the word of God."<br /><br />Yes, I understand that your particular religious beliefs affect the way in which you interpret evidence. However, and I'm really not trying to be difficult here, it's been my observation that when it comes to interpreting evidence with respect to the age of the Earth, there are actually several different Christian positions. Yes, the various types of Christians attempt to connect their paricular way of viewing the evidence to the Bible, but there is not a "the Christian position".<br /><br />So, the point of all of this is...?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42238733069215826082010-09-07T09:53:33.815-07:002010-09-07T09:53:33.815-07:00One last try, David. Refuse to deal again, I'l...One last try, David. Refuse to deal again, I'll just do everyone who's wasted time trying to help you a favor, and show you the door.<br /><br />True or false: your view of the age of the earth, evolution, etc. is just one possible interpretation of evidence that does not interpret itself. There are other interpretations.<br /><br />True or false: the Christian position rests on just such a differing interpretation of the same evidence, an interpretation including the evidence of the Bible, which we affirm to be the word of God.<br /><br />Simple questions. You don't have to answer, of course - you can just move on.<br /><br />But if you want to continue commenting, you do need to answer.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77345398141205366072010-09-07T09:45:32.155-07:002010-09-07T09:45:32.155-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47825518848928333352010-09-07T09:35:24.687-07:002010-09-07T09:35:24.687-07:00Actual response, David, or move on. Snark and dodg...Actual response, David, or move on. Snark and dodging doesn't count.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23640243282212671542010-09-07T09:27:49.927-07:002010-09-07T09:27:49.927-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37890033442777194272010-09-07T08:07:45.043-07:002010-09-07T08:07:45.043-07:00Terrific, David. Progress!
NOTE TO EVERYBODY — Da...Terrific, David. Progress!<br /><br /><b>NOTE TO EVERYBODY</b> — David admits that what he's been bogging down every post with is unverified guesswork, and only one possible explanation.<br /><br />Given, then, that Christians stand on verified certainties, we can proceed.<br /><br />Thanks, David, and goodbye.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24470661492793371112010-09-07T07:48:35.913-07:002010-09-07T07:48:35.913-07:00CMI's New Testament scholar Lita Cosner has wr...CMI's New Testament scholar Lita Cosner has written a <a href="http://creation.com/timothy-keller-response" rel="nofollow">detailed critique of Keller's <i>BioLogos</i> paper</a> as well as a <a href="http://creation.com/biologos-evolutionary-syncretism" rel="nofollow">thorough demolition of <i>BioLogos</i> itself</a>, showing its baneful effects on Christian doctrines quite apart from Genesis. She cites this blog in support :)Ktisophiloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718156076583190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24344607639577875192010-09-07T07:46:46.030-07:002010-09-07T07:46:46.030-07:00I would also note that it might be said of those w...I would also note that it might be said of those who insist on repeatedly using the word "unteachable" that there is not "the slightest hint of self-awareness" with respect to the use of this word.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24864933134197787982010-09-07T07:42:41.888-07:002010-09-07T07:42:41.888-07:00"Documents written in well-known languages ju..."Documents written in well-known languages just a few thousand years old, verified by God's Son, are impossible to verify."<br /><br />That's right, it's impossible to verify that these documents are a few thousands years old without the use of uniformatarian principles. Prove that these documents do not just have "the appearance of age".<br /><br /><br />"But his preferred philosophy/religion/school of "Science" is just a fact, unambiguous and undeniable except by the foolish and the uninformed."<br /><br />When did I say that "science is just a fact, unambiguous and undeniable"? The whole point of science is that any discovery is potentially "deniable".Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03798437859699719795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22903077154871454382010-09-07T07:30:19.002-07:002010-09-07T07:30:19.002-07:00The textbook mark of an unteachable troll:
Docume...The textbook mark of an unteachable troll:<br /><br />Documents written in well-known languages just a few thousand years old, verified by God's Son, are <i>impossible</i> to verify.<br /><br />But his preferred philosophy/religion/school of "Science" is just a fact, unambiguous and undeniable except by the foolish and the uninformed.<br /><br />And there <i>never is the <b>slightest hint</b></i> of self-awareness in such time-wasting trollery. Just endless yards of empty verbage.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.com