tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post4027932489056378737..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Smarter than Paul?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1737301478814785312007-06-08T15:25:00.000-07:002007-06-08T15:25:00.000-07:00We should never misunderestimate Paul. That would ...We should never misunderestimate Paul. That would be quite a misadventure! He's the Captain of all Captains Headknowledge!<BR/><BR/>To appeal to the fact that modalism, for example, wasn't around in his day, doesn't make Paul's writings irrelevant, because it's his writings and those of his fellow New Testament authors which provides the only effective corrective to errors such as modalism. We stray from the truth when we don't slavishly consider and properly systematize every detail of Scriptural revelation. The less our mind is regulated by God's Word, the more we veer off on our little heresies. It's easier to get distracted by and to build on those, because we don't have to study, we just need a little imagination!<BR/><BR/>The Misadventures <BR/>of Captain Headknowledge www.capthk.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52401461176198630722007-06-08T05:09:00.000-07:002007-06-08T05:09:00.000-07:00This series (and what you've been saying over at y...This series (and what you've been saying over at your blog) has been extremely helpful at a time I greatly needed to hear it - even when it's been hard to hear, I needed it. Thank you for sharing it, and I look forward to reading the last post.Rebekahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14959946409918907667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3629907332828282982007-06-07T20:51:00.000-07:002007-06-07T20:51:00.000-07:00Edifying post. We need to call for commitment, and...Edifying post. We need to call for commitment, and we need to be committed.<BR/>Keep it coming.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18719008728463939162007-06-07T14:12:00.000-07:002007-06-07T14:12:00.000-07:00I am sure many people are looking forward to me be...I am sure many people are looking forward to me being done talking about this ...<BR/><BR/>... :-)FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6554208313730198982007-06-07T13:57:00.000-07:002007-06-07T13:57:00.000-07:00Mr. Cent...Amen, and amen. Look forward to your fi...Mr. Cent...<BR/><BR/>Amen, and amen. Look forward to your final entry on this series (not because it will then be over, mind you).<BR/><BR/>Although some have put forth that you and I are on opposite sides on this issue...I think we are actually quite lined up together in our positions.<BR/><BR/>Keep fighting the good fight!Brian @ voiceofthesheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03501908381467690374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33993360744015896002007-06-07T12:29:00.000-07:002007-06-07T12:29:00.000-07:00jsb:Stay tuned for tomorrow ... it's the last post...jsb:<BR/><BR/>Stay tuned for tomorrow ... it's the last post in the "Can I leave my church" series as far as I have planned.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90806187437778594572007-06-07T11:50:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:50:00.000-07:00Cent, great, great series! Question: Supposed some...Cent, great, great series! <BR/><BR/>Question: Supposed someone decides to START a church? Independently. He is doctrinally correct and builds, starting with a gathering in his household. <BR/><BR/>Knowing there are several risks involved, how about this as a true option? It appears in the NT they had house churches under Apostolic authority. Now can we have house churches under Scriptural authority?<BR/><BR/>Any part of this issue I'm missing? (I say this as a happy church member, 23 years same place; just interested)James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82258083206377052592007-06-07T11:45:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:45:00.000-07:00Jon:It's nice to be appreciated. :-)Jon:<BR/><BR/>It's nice to be appreciated. :-)FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74858272606680755992007-06-07T11:23:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:23:00.000-07:00I have disagreed with you in the past on some of y...I have disagreed with you in the past on some of your be-a-missionary-in-your-apostate-church views but I am very much in harmony with your overall point. God has used your series in my life to expand my thinking. Having just completed a move to another state we are in the process of joining ourselves to a church with which I am not in complete theological agreement. That being said, I agree that my need to be joined with other believers outweighs my reservations about what some of these people believe. <BR/>I also love your point that we often want to sit around as if we have ALL the answers and look down on anyone who has not arrived on our mountaintop. There has to be some kind of submission to fellow believers as long as it does not compete with our submission to Christ and the Word of God!Jon from Bucksporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01263042828697185129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35129388794267017832007-06-07T11:21:00.001-07:002007-06-07T11:21:00.001-07:00want = wasntwant = wasntDavid A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52280968341941358762007-06-07T11:21:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:21:00.000-07:00Ugly David here.I agree it is a huge issue. And v...Ugly David here.<BR/><BR/>I agree it is a huge issue. And very important to address. Just want sure how much it applied you your readers.<BR/><BR/>I sit correctedDavid A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73566672567075089512007-06-07T11:16:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:16:00.000-07:00I say the problem with the church past, present, f...I say the problem with the church past, present, future is a stubbornness to discipleship. You would think that the last thing Jesus tells us would be pretty important. Consider Mathew 28:18-20 “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” So really its all of you pastors fault for not promoting such. There, put that in your pipes and smoke it.philnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393311811604119321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85402009813799944252007-06-07T11:05:00.000-07:002007-06-07T11:05:00.000-07:00I for one can attest to the fact that this issue o...I for one can attest to the fact that this issue of joining a church after leaving another one is an important one. I left a church about 15 months ago for what I consider to be a very good reason. The last thing I wanted to do was find myself in that position again. My wife and I spent the next year "searching" for what I hoped to be the "perfect" church. Guess what? We didn't find it. But what we did find, was a small church that had enough right things about it that we decided that we could live with the minor points we disagree with.<BR/><BR/>During the course of that year of searching, it was often tempting to just keep attending various churches without becoming members. After all, I could just find too many little things wrong with each church we visited. Should we really become members if we did not agree on everything? <BR/><BR/>Various posts here at Pyromaniacs did help nudge me in the direction of membership over just attendance. I am happy to report that just about a month ago we became members of a local church and we both look forward to becoming more and more active in the work of that church. So...thanks guys!St. Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238671101561121436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82747477337522509312007-06-07T10:57:00.000-07:002007-06-07T10:57:00.000-07:00I also wanted to mention something, since it's alo...I also wanted to mention something, since it's along those same lines: this is one of those series which, if you think it doesn;t apply to you, maybe you don't understand the series very well.<BR/><BR/>Not to make people angry or anything -- I just think that if the issue of what is the church and what it's there for isn't a big issue for you, maybe you haven't given it enough thought. I know a lot of SBC people who would say that they care a lot about what the church is, and they don't need this series to tell them about church, and it would be clear in reading what they write that they needed this series more than most.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25715510568913853842007-06-07T10:37:00.000-07:002007-06-07T10:37:00.000-07:00david (not pretty david but the other one):With 20...david (not pretty david but the other one):<BR/><BR/>With 2000+ readers every day at TeamPyro, I suspect there is more than a few who are, as we say in the blogosphere, truly reformed and unable to find a church they think is pure enough to join and stay at.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I know more people who are likely to change churches over small changes and relatively-minor issues than I do people who are fully committed to make thier church something which glorifies God. I wish that wasn't true, but there you go.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82310040256945602402007-06-07T10:36:00.000-07:002007-06-07T10:36:00.000-07:00David, just my 2 cents' worth, but would it be fai...David, just my 2 cents' worth, but would it be fair to assume that even if most of the regular readers here do not leave their church on a whim, there are:<BR/><BR/>(a) Some readers here who are stuck in a church teaching error and who need some encouragement and support to stay and stand up for the truth, and<BR/><BR/>(b) People the rest of us know now or will come to know in the future who may come to us for advice and guidance on this topic. Or maybe some here might end up in a church that's drifting in the wrong direction and they choose to stay, but some of their brothers and sisters are tempted to bail.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>A couple of other notes:<BR/><BR/>* Most beautiful Team Pyro graphic ever! (The dove, not the milkshake.)<BR/><BR/>* Quite apart from practical matters of church governance, etc., all this New Agey stuff that's creeping into evangelicalism today is evidently very old. The Kabbalah apparently has its roots in ancient Chaldean religion, and evidently contaminated Judaism at a very early date; may have inspired ancient Gnosticism, and definitely inspired mediaeval European hermeticism, which by twists and turns inspired theosophy, "metaphysical" stuff, and the like...and ultimately, the New Age, culminating in its latest incarnation, <I>The Secret.</I> In other words, extra-Biblical ideas have been lingering around Jews and Christians since...well heck, since God called Abraham out of Ur. Some of the stuff that was going down in the early church was no doubts manifestations of these kinds of pseudo-Jewish, pseudo-Christian movements...so in that sense, the Apostles really are directly tackling the same kinds of problems as we face today. The Adversary is always trying to find ways to undermine faith in God.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3950908986391592762007-06-07T10:23:00.000-07:002007-06-07T10:23:00.000-07:00This whole series seems to be preaching to the cho...This whole series seems to be preaching to the choir - if even I have jumped churches only twice in 24 years (moved 150 miles away each time), I am willing to assume most of your readers are about the same - we switch churches only when we move so far away we cannot commute.<BR/><BR/>So this message is not getting to those who really need it. <BR/><BR/>If those assumptions are true, my question is then - how do communicate this message to those who need it?<BR/><BR/>Or am I wrong about the majority of your readers?David A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70994527645058894822007-06-07T09:50:00.000-07:002007-06-07T09:50:00.000-07:00Imaginary objector: If you're so pure, why are yo...Imaginary objector: If you're so pure, why are you not an elder in a church? Could it be that you're contentious and divisive? Them are scriptural disqualifiers.<BR/><BR/>If you aren't an elder, you're pretty much scripturally required to be under the authority of one, 'less you're maybe an apostle who appoints them.<BR/><BR/>Great series, cent. <BR/><BR/>*sniff* <BR/><BR/>I'll be all sad when you get back to blogging about esoteric minutiae.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14435152222315817222007-06-07T09:12:00.000-07:002007-06-07T09:12:00.000-07:00Good work. Just because particular modern errors a...Good work. Just because particular modern errors are not mentioned explicitly in Scripture doesn't mean the Bible is silent about them. Using the example of Mormonism, we have Paul's words in Galatians, "If we or <I>an angel from heaven</I>..." Sounds like a Moronic reference (pun intentional) to me...<BR/><BR/>And beside the egregious errors represented by the cults, there are the more subtle inward ones that Paul identifies (how many of our modern church conflicts have covetousness at their root?). These affect us all (and to some degree, <I>infect</I> us all).<BR/><BR/>And so part of the reason for the Church is iron sharpening iron - grinding off the rusty parts and honing the impurities out. This is true both for our own local churches and the church through history.Mark B. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942591774072214556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4825242827608631872007-06-07T09:08:00.000-07:002007-06-07T09:08:00.000-07:00My readers are suffering because I don't have time...My readers are suffering because I don't have time to finish the Jon Zens paper I started critiqueing, but I feel pretty good about this.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74675941396255054532007-06-07T08:20:00.000-07:002007-06-07T08:20:00.000-07:00Just, Dude. What a great series. I should not-post...Just, Dude. What a great series. I should not-post more often.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69140227051094765472007-06-07T08:17:00.000-07:002007-06-07T08:17:00.000-07:00Good post, Frank.-TSGood post, Frank.<BR/><BR/>-TSTouchstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733806892886921425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42196616504327538492007-06-07T08:08:00.000-07:002007-06-07T08:08:00.000-07:00The longer I read the bible, and the more I look i...The longer I read the bible, and the more I look into the history of the church, the more I see the reality of there being nothing new under the sun.<BR/><BR/>Paul may not have mentioned emergent or Rob Bell by name, but the issues remain the same: the chuch battles against those who would fight against the truth of God's Word in all shapes and forms.<BR/><BR/>I really enjoyed reading this post, Frank.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35397190646044594082007-06-07T07:39:00.000-07:002007-06-07T07:39:00.000-07:00If the problems we face in the modern church are n...If the problems we face in the modern church are <I>not</I> actively and openly addressed, then we really wouldn't have any right to quibble over them, would we?Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18132239071711276949noreply@blogger.com