tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post4223226153796683750..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Two religions in stark contrastPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67648668381804009692008-03-09T12:48:00.000-07:002008-03-09T12:48:00.000-07:00Pshaw! Anyhow, I absorbed a lot over the many yea...Pshaw! Anyhow, I absorbed a lot over the many years God was working on me while I was still a non-believing caterpillar. Now, the Holy Spirit is catalyzing it like a butterfly emerging from its coccoon, and using it glorify God.<BR/><BR/>Okay, the language is way too flowery, but anyhow, anything I write here is no credit to me, but to Him alone from Whom all truth flows, and to Whom all praise is due.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23759589028057402512008-03-09T10:09:00.000-07:002008-03-09T10:09:00.000-07:00Stefan: Great connection...I like that parallel......Stefan: Great connection...I like that parallel...as I'm sure Johnson likes the company he's been placed in! Only a year as a reborn believer huh? Wow...your degree of wisdom and Bible/church history knowlege for such a new believer is impressive! The spirit is clearly at work in your life!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58384170881615057802008-03-09T06:24:00.000-07:002008-03-09T06:24:00.000-07:00Dan, fair enough.Sorry for straying off-topic. Lo...Dan, fair enough.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for straying off-topic. Looking forward to your next post.VesselOfWrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13555522056082325233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73897834203562819132008-03-08T23:50:00.000-08:002008-03-08T23:50:00.000-08:00Rememberpolycarp:That was quite something. There h...Rememberpolycarp:<BR/><BR/>That was quite something. There have been several comments by various folks on this blog over the past year, describing churches in which ECM doctrine has been surreptitiously slipped in, with a similar refusal to pay any attention to concerned members. Hard to tell from your description if these guys were emergent or not. It definitely sounds like they were churned out of a liberal seminary, though!<BR/><BR/>I've only been reborn a year and in my short time as an evangelical, have only attended a single church, which is blessed by a commitment to sound doctrine. Therefore, I don't feel qualified to comment on your leaving your former church, but I hope you're in a church with godly pastors now.<BR/><BR/>By the way, I liked this bit: "...the doctrines of the reformers, puritans, teampyro or general orthodox, historic Christianity...." Let's see: Luther, Owen, Johnson....Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89415184185846865772008-03-08T23:44:00.000-08:002008-03-08T23:44:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61060577529374591292008-03-08T21:26:00.000-08:002008-03-08T21:26:00.000-08:00Thanks for the kind words...and for your patience ...Thanks for the kind words...and for your patience in reading such a rambler!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72973017418435199902008-03-08T21:21:00.000-08:002008-03-08T21:21:00.000-08:00Since you've asked for situations, I'll try to des...<I>Since you've asked for situations, I'll try to describe what happened with my wife and I at a church we needed to leave, and doing so was not without ugliness that marked the whole experience.</I><BR/><BR/>Wow!!! Dear RememberPolycarp, that was truly a remarkable recounting of your journey!! I am SOOOOOO impressed with all aspects of your retelling of the journey, from your due diligence research to your letter of apology and contrition on how you left. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for having a soft heart for relationships whilst being tough-minded about the <I>whole</I> gospel and counsel of biblical truth. <BR/><BR/>I should imagine that there might have been some conversations with your wife about the whole process.<BR/><BR/>Thank you so much for sharing about your difficult leave-taking experience. God bless you.<BR/><BR/>Pax,<BR/><BR/>Truth Unites... and DividesTruth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34626914895391192392008-03-08T18:30:00.000-08:002008-03-08T18:30:00.000-08:00Stefan and TUAD: Since you've asked for situations...Stefan and TUAD: <BR/>Since you've asked for situations, I'll try to describe what happened with my wife and I at a church we needed to leave, and doing so was not without ugliness that marked the whole experience. Now, I'm not sure just how blatent or extreme false teaching needs to become for someone to leave a church, which is just one of the many frustrations we encountered in our own decision-making process, as it would be an easy decision with no looking back if our pastor(s) were clearly Olsteenesque, Warrenesque, McLarenesque, or Pagittesque, but it wasn't that cut and dry. There were definately things wrong, but it was not that cut and dry. There were major differences in the way we approached scripture, church leadership (role of), worldliness, tolerance vs. truth, etc (the stuff discussed on this blog regularly). You guys of all people here can certainly see how each of the areas just named contains numerous dimensions and/or manifestations.<BR/><BR/>Well, we attended the church for nearly two years, and there were always things that just sounded odd to me, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I would race home from church on Sundays for months on end spending hours online trying to find answers to so many questionable things I heard in both pastors' sermons, activities/announcements before the service, and in the various items listed throughout the bulletin. While so many things were in sharp contrast to churches I was involved-in for 23 years as a Christian, much of what I saw/heard was actually quite familiar because I saw all of it in my secular college experience in both my undergraduate and graduate programs! This juxtaposition made me feel like I was in the Twilight Zone! Furthermore, my "scratch test", beyond scripture itself, was to contrast what I was hearing with my favorite sermons by pillars of the faith such as Lloyd Jones, Spurgeon, MacArthur, and my all-time favorite radio pastor, Alistair Begg. Again, I knew something was wrong, but just couldn't peg it exactly. <BR/><BR/>However, if it were not for that church, I would not have found this site nor would I have known much about the ECM chaos at all. Those experiences, week after week, drove me to conduct extensive research into the matter until I finally found Phil's posters on that preordained day (I remember it vividly) wherein all of the issues I wrestled with for as many months appeared so clearly in those precise, encapsulated, and rightfully witty gems! It was there I discovered what this movement is all about, and much of it was at that church...but NOT BLATENTLY, which is the real problem, as we never heard the ECM discussed or named, yet its terms and ideology were! This led to my asking the pastor, via email, "to what degree does this church accepted or rejected the EC?" My inquiry was met with a non-answer really, citing the complexity within the ec, the importance of recognizing the distinctions between the "ing" and the "ent" suffix, yadayadayada. He stressed that just because the terminology is used, it does not mean the movement is entirely embraced, etc. and that I should trust that God is directing the leadership (I certainly trust God, but not man). Anyhow, the answer was hardly satisfying, which prompted me to request a face-to-face meeting. This request was rejected several times, and even a good friend I have who is an elder there was not able to make that meeting happen. Well, the indifference expressed towards my concerns, along with an outright rejection of a meeting, became just as disturbing to me as the issues I initially wanted to meet with him about.<BR/><BR/>Concerning books and authors the pastors used in sermons: while I'm not a theologian, I'm a layperson with a fairly decent library and a general familiarity with at least most of the credible names of authors/teachers within orthodox, historic Christianity, even if I haven't thoroughly read them (i.e. I know who supports who generally, and from which camps of peripheral doctrinal distinctions authors come). Well, in this church, there were so many names I had never heard of being quoted from (lots of social science, cultural anthopology, psychology, liberal theology profs from places like Princeton and such) who were clearly very smart, but hardly in keeping with, or related to, the doctines of the reformers, puritans, teampyro or general orthodox, historic Christianity on anything beyond the bare essentials...which, even then, were recognized only in the contexts by which they were presented and packaged--including some pretty significant omissions/voids. In other words, church so often seemed no different than a very "progressive" and intellectually stimulating lecture by a professor in a secular graduate program quite honestly, with very appealing interpretations of all scripture all the time and never a mention of anything politically incorrect (offensive), sin, or the problem of worldliness. Lots of abstraction and cognitive-centered speak...following some very excellent music/worship from talented musicians I might add.<BR/><BR/>With regard to the authors named by the pastor, the ones I just described were not merely used as some sort of anecdotal example to kick-off a sermon; they were used actively and their advice, viewpoints, or general worldview was accepted and incorporated into the message. BUT, here's the thing: it was not explicitly that emergent, and sermons were not without quotes from guys like CS Lewis, John Stott, Jerry Bridges, RC Sproul and various puritans occassionally (followed by some sort comment like "you've gotta love those puritans"). So, what you have on the one end of the spectrum was the absence of men like Spurgeon, Lloyd-Jones, Barnhouse, or MacArthur or anyone from the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals named, yet, on the opposite end of the spectrum, you never heard a direct reference to a McLaren, a Driscoll, or a Kimball cited either. For what it's worth, there was never a mention of that whole category of modern mainline evangelicals, like Swindoll, either. Thinking back on it, we did hear Keller named quite frequently, and I have a feeling the pastor is really trying to emulate keller's whole deal. On this note, is it just me or do you find Keller to be a rather enigmatic figure, as I can't really define him one way or the other. To me he seems entirely emergent, yet he has the respect among reformed Christians? His whole missional thing and the heavy-duty emphasis on the horizontal seems very man-centered, despite all of the comments about using all of this to "meet people where they are"<BR/><BR/>Well, I knew this attempt would get quite long very quickly, and I feel like I've just scratched the surface of that experience. To sum up, after my request for a meeting was rejected, we left the church. The enemy did use this experience to bring out my sinful nature, as I failed miserably. I sent a few regrettable group emails to our small group members to "warn" them (I use quotes because while I may have truly needed to warn them, my own heart was sinful and I was venting my own anger over what I saw as something sneaky and very much emergent). I sent numerous emails to the pastors afterwards, not intended to edify, which only caused our departure to be more pronounced and known to many who would have otherwise never asked why we left. One a particular morning many months after we left, I felt the conviction of the spirit telling me loud and clear to write a card of apology to the pastor, which I did, for the WAY in which we left and for the subsequent communication to people in the church about him. He forgave me, saying he held nothing personal against me, but stressed that a Biblical definition of forgiveness is of course restoration. He then explained that such restoratation could not really occur unless we return back to the church where people have loved us and understood us. That went through my heart like a daggar, and knowing that returning is impossible becuase of significant differences in belief, the message I keep hearing in my mind from the enemy, the accuser of the Brethren, is that full restoration is also impossible.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40106433067937226922008-03-08T16:05:00.000-08:002008-03-08T16:05:00.000-08:00So, VoW, since you're persisting in this, is it y...So, VoW, since you're persisting in this, is it your charge that the entire professing Bible-believing church accepts <I>your position</I> on what the Bible teaches on those two areas, and openly rejects it, because they find the voice of God in profound human stories and disdain fidelity to the text of Scripture?<BR/><BR/>If not, <B>there is <I>no parallel</I></B>, and my counsel would be to step away from the deceased equine.<BR/><BR/>I will now accept my own advice.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87175160617385403552008-03-08T13:38:00.000-08:002008-03-08T13:38:00.000-08:00TUAD,Fundamentalists, if I understand correctly, s...TUAD,<BR/><BR/>Fundamentalists, if I understand correctly, seek to divide on every issue. Matthew 18 talks about confronting a sinful brother. <BR/><BR/>With someone who will listen, we're instructed to teach them, not put them out on the street till they have their doctrinal statement together. For those who are teaching heresy and refuse to be reproved, corrected, and instructed, these are the sowers of discord who have no part with us.Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71654015101043627292008-03-08T12:20:00.000-08:002008-03-08T12:20:00.000-08:00(Responding to DJP)You're right, LTJ rejects parti...(Responding to DJP)<BR/><BR/>You're right, LTJ rejects particular bits of scripture outright. And (for a few paragraphs anyway) avoids the use of the "perverteneutical rack" (LOL) to try to pretend that the whole counsel of scripture agrees with him. And I further agree that the standard of authority he does try to set up is... well, squishy, to say the least.<BR/><BR/>But I mentioned the two verses I did because I think they're instances where people who ostensibly take the whole Bible as the Word of God Written indulge in the same sort of thing as gay-marriage proponents.<BR/><BR/>The Bible says don't loan money at interest. So if I want to obey God on this point, do I liquidate my 401(k)? Or do I adopt a hermeneutic that somehow turns this into "don't engage in loansharking, but feel free to loan money at reasonable interest for responsible investment"?VesselOfWrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13555522056082325233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51745111226601012032008-03-08T11:59:00.000-08:002008-03-08T11:59:00.000-08:00TUAD:You're right. I stand corrected. 1 Timothy ...TUAD:<BR/><BR/>You're right. I stand corrected. <A HREF="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1+Timothy+5%3A19-21" REL="nofollow">1 Timothy 5:19-21</A> is probably the passage you're thinking of.<BR/><BR/>And of course, I agree with you that it is a path fraught with grave danger. I didn't mean to flippantly suggest that it's just a simple matter. And again, it's easy for us to discuss it here in the comfort of our figurative armchairs; quite another to actually have to confront it (or decide to confront it) in a real-life situation.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54931052433146759162008-03-08T09:26:00.001-08:002008-03-08T09:26:00.001-08:00Stefan,Actually, when it involves a pastor/elder, ...Stefan,<BR/><BR/>Actually, when it involves a pastor/elder, the verses to look at are not Matthew 18. I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's in one of the epistles. And to bring a charge against an elder, you <B>MUST</B> have solid evidence, and preferably credible witnesses. To bring a charge against an elder is a very, very serious matter. To assert and argue that a pastor/elder is teaching falsely (in effect, a "spiritual terrorist") is fraught with much, much difficulty and danger. The Father of Lies salivates over these opportunities to exploit it for his own divisive schemes.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36414398878494733552008-03-08T09:10:00.000-08:002008-03-08T09:10:00.000-08:00(Someone correct me if I've got anything wrong her...(Someone correct me if I've got anything wrong here....)<BR/><BR/>And I agree that talking about it on a blog must be much easier than having to actually deal with it. But I hope that by discussing it, we will be able to do it in a way that does not dishonour Christ, if the situation ever arises.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61119588544719992042008-03-08T09:08:00.000-08:002008-03-08T09:08:00.000-08:00...I'm working on the presumption that Matthew 18 ......I'm working on the presumption that Matthew 18 works both ways: at least in a believers' (credobaptist) church, even the senior pastor is a fellow believer whom God happens to have blessed with the gift of teaching. If he's drifting away from or outright rejecting biblical teaching, then one should be able to go to him and plead with him—with the ultimate hope of repentance and reconciliation, or escalation if he's unrepentant—the same as if a pastor or fellow lay believer were caught up in serious sin.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56647149726744521332008-03-08T09:00:00.000-08:002008-03-08T09:00:00.000-08:00TUAD:If it's happening within one's own church, th...TUAD:<BR/><BR/>If it's happening within one's own church, then it's a church discipline matter, isn't it? Then the church's procedure for discipline (which should be modelled on Matthew 18)—or Matthew 18 in its absence—applies. In other words, the first step would be to handle it privately, then take it from there.<BR/><BR/>Actually, haven't you been through a "hostile takeover" of your old church? (Or am I thinking of Stratagem? Or both of you?)Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91312641431900000812008-03-08T08:33:00.000-08:002008-03-08T08:33:00.000-08:00Vessel of Wrath,Thanks for the link to "Terrorism ...Vessel of Wrath,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link to "Terrorism in the Church" post by DJP. I just read the article and it's excellent!<BR/><BR/>In a sense, and in the case of severe false teaching, DJP is advocating a "loving confrontation" between undershepherds, and which honestly and potentially could lead to civil war within a church. And as such, it seems like almost a moral obligation and duty to God to root out and expose the false teaching by the spiritual terrorist who's holding pastoral office.<BR/><BR/>Anyone ever done it here on TeamPyro? If so, care to share how it all shook out?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71165383474114624132008-03-08T08:13:00.000-08:002008-03-08T08:13:00.000-08:00Thanks for the links Stefan! I actually read that...Thanks for the links Stefan! I actually read that excellent series by Phil some months ago and it's in my toolbox, ready to come out when I'm in discussions with Roman Catholics!<BR/><BR/>I think these following items are all kind of jumbled up in my head and I'm trying to sort them out: False teaching, "essential" doctrines, confronting/rebuking in love, how to rebuke in love, whether to rebuke at all, counting the costs/benefits of admonishing an erring brother holding pastoral office, when or whether to separate, etc....<BR/><BR/>You see, I mentioned before about how blogging about false teaching is one thing, but having to deal with it in real life in your own church or denomination is entirely another. I think the difficulties are magnified tremendously.<BR/><BR/>I was just doing a thought experiment and imagining how things might or would be different if LTJ and DJP were in the same church! LTJ published his comments. Would DJP have written his posts on LTJ's analysis in a public setting also if they were both serving as pastor-elders in the same church? Or would DJP have handled it differently?<BR/><BR/>I was trying to put real-life application into these matters. TeamPyro authors Phil, DJP, and Centur0n all have great posts. But I was thinking about what I would do if I had to confront false teaching in my own life. But it's not as easy as blogging is what I thought.<BR/><BR/>For example, suppose your senior pastor jumps on the Purpose-Driven church model or the Willow-Creek model. Is that an "essential" doctrine worthy of disputation, possibly leading to quarreling, a church split and separation? Let's say there's a church web site and the senior pastor puts up rationale for the vision he'd like the church to adopt. Do you respond in TeamPyro fashion on the same church website debunking his vision?<BR/><BR/>Making it real makes it harder to do.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-85361105495285707372008-03-08T05:49:00.000-08:002008-03-08T05:49:00.000-08:00Thanks for the kind words, Vessel.Briefly:1. LTJ ...Thanks for the kind words, Vessel.<BR/><BR/>Briefly:<BR/><BR/>1. LTJ says, "This is what Scripture says and means, and we reject it outright"<BR/>2. LTJ does not find the locus of authority in God's Word speaking through the totality of inerrantly-inspired Scripture<BR/>3. LTJ finds the locus of authority in the "profound" stories, feelings, passions of man, interpreted in his own idiosyncratic way and stamped with Divine authority<BR/><BR/>No, "everyone" doesn't do that. And when Christians find themselves doing any part of it, insofar as they are striving to walk with the Lord on His terms, they repent.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76164920659444625002008-03-08T04:33:00.000-08:002008-03-08T04:33:00.000-08:00Hi Dan,Long-time reader, first-time poster. I sho...Hi Dan,<BR/><BR/>Long-time reader, first-time poster. I should probably say up front that I fear I'm what ye Pyros would call a <A HREF="teampyro.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html" REL="nofollow">"weakly-professed Christianoid"</A>. But I enjoy y'all's blog(s) and find much wisdom there.<BR/><BR/>Here's my question: In the previous post and in this one, you're whacking LTJ pretty hard for picking and choosing his scriptures, but honestly, doesn't everyone do that? I have yet to visit a church that requires women to wear hats when they pray (per 1 Corinthians 11:4-5) or counsels Christians to forgo the use of savings accounts (per Psalm 15:5).<BR/><BR/>Thanks, and keep up the excellent blogging.VesselOfWrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13555522056082325233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77926304959452002252008-03-07T21:33:00.000-08:002008-03-07T21:33:00.000-08:00All this vertical and horizontal making me dizzy. ...All this vertical and horizontal making me dizzy. I know about the two mysteries though and I test everything by these. - <BR/>The Mystery of Iniquity and the mystery of Godliness.<BR/>Lucifer proclaimed his now infamous "I Will's" <BR/>Isaiah 14:12-14 <BR/>How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou has said in thine heart —<BR/>I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: <BR/>I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north; <BR/>I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds;<BR/>I WILL be like the Most High. <BR/><BR/>IT IS CREATURELY ASCENT – <BR/>I WILL ASCEND. <BR/><BR/>The Mystery of Godliness however, is the opposite of the Mystery of Iniquity. <BR/><BR/>IF INIQUITY SAYS; —<BR/>Man can ascend and be like the Most High, <BR/>GODLINESS SAYS; — <BR/>God descended and become a man in order to save us who are desperately lost, completely bankrupt, and unable to save ourselves. <BR/>This is the spirituality that originates from Heaven and which requires an incarnation; "God was manifest in the Flesh.” There can be no compromise, nor mixing of these two religions. <BR/>Scriptures warn us that these two Spiritualities would coexist, mature and come to their fullest expression in the last days before the bodily return of Jesus Christ.<BR/>Vertical or horizontal whatever you call it my position is on my knees.Eviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08331351010026398205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80661631084663107772008-03-07T17:28:00.000-08:002008-03-07T17:28:00.000-08:00Also, in the middle of that series, the "weekly do...Also, in the middle of that series, the "weekly dose of Spurgeon" was on the same general topic:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/02/false-unity-and-duty-of-separation.html" REL="nofollow">False "Unity" and the Duty of Separation</A><BR/><BR/>There may be legitimate reasons for a church split (critical questions of biblical truth) or for unity (in some cases). On the other hand, sometimes the Adversary causes churches to split for selfish, man-centered reasons; or he encourages churches to join together on a false premise of "unity."<BR/><BR/>And lest we forget, despite the many Protestant denominational splits over the centuries—some done for sound reasons, some not—one of the first critical acts of the Reformation was Rome's excommunication of Luther (rather than his leaving the Roman church of his own will).Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3809179008412354842008-03-07T17:14:00.000-08:002008-03-07T17:14:00.000-08:00TUAD:On the question of separation (since that see...TUAD:<BR/><BR/>On the question of separation (since that seems to be what you're getting at), doctrinal purity, etc., Phil wrote a series of posts last spring on the issue. Here are the links:<BR/><BR/>1. <A HREF="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/02/sola-scriptura-and-proliferation-of.html" REL="nofollow">Sola Scriptura and the Proliferation of Protestant Denominations</A><BR/>2. <A HREF="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/02/sectarianism-and-separation.html" REL="nofollow">Sectarianism and Separation</A><BR/>3. <A HREF="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/02/wrong-kind-of-unity.html" REL="nofollow">The Wrong Kind of Unity</A><BR/>4. <A HREF="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/03/unity-across-denominational-lines.html" REL="nofollow">Unity across Denominational Lines</A>Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73062677533394550142008-03-07T16:22:00.000-08:002008-03-07T16:22:00.000-08:00Luke 10:11, Eph. 5:10-11, 1 Tim. 6:5.Thanks. I'll ...Luke 10:11, Eph. 5:10-11, 1 Tim. 6:5.<BR/><BR/>Thanks. I'll check 'em out.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76914649166323530442008-03-07T14:59:00.000-08:002008-03-07T14:59:00.000-08:00"But it's not totally clear in Scripture."Thanks f...<I>"But it's not totally clear in Scripture.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Thanks for fighting the good fight in a previous church Don Sands.<BR/><BR/>Here are some Scriptural passages that might illuminate:<BR/><BR/>Luke 10:11, Eph. 5:10-11, 1 Tim. 6:5.<BR/><BR/>Repeating previous question: (Although I'm not a fundamentalist) Why are aspersions and stones cast towards fundamentalists?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com