tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post4559798625045901507..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Some here, some there — October 17, 2014Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20806961444884522022014-10-21T10:16:24.523-07:002014-10-21T10:16:24.523-07:00Jennifer --
To say otherwise would be to say that...Jennifer --<br /><br />To say otherwise would be to say that there were problems leading up to his exit from TGC. We all know that's not how that went down.. Mark Driscoll is free to return to TGC any time now.<br /><br />Any time.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68667759859206333582014-10-19T14:48:20.719-07:002014-10-19T14:48:20.719-07:00< facepalm >< facepalm >DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16980591566925344962014-10-19T14:37:32.514-07:002014-10-19T14:37:32.514-07:00But didn't you see Trevin said in the comment ...But didn't you see Trevin said in the comment section that problems came to the surface AFTER he left the Gospel Coalition. Really?!jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00877672662546773368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12149428834589574022014-10-17T17:31:24.240-07:002014-10-17T17:31:24.240-07:00Sorry. I meant "quorum of the 32" (or h...Sorry. I meant "quorum of the 32" (or how many people actually compose TGC).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17787712484595741372014-10-17T17:27:59.908-07:002014-10-17T17:27:59.908-07:00The whole "if only someone spoke up earlier a...The whole "if only someone spoke up earlier about Driscoll" line was absolutely hilarious.<br /><br />I know about the private letters that were sent to Driscoll from Roscoe Blvd (was a peon on staff at that time). If you try a low-key, non-mud-slinging, private approach (i.e. use some dignity and tact), people scream that you didn't do it publicly and are derelict in your duty to "warn the flock".<br /><br />If you do it publicly, you're labelled a "hater" and portrayed as a crotchety and self-appointed member of the doctrine police.<br /><br />I wish the quorum of the 12 at TGC would make up their minds on how the rest of the world should behave...and have the foresight to let us all know in advance.<br /><br />Tom Chantry's comments were gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1362023305908060462014-10-17T12:31:31.316-07:002014-10-17T12:31:31.316-07:00Now that is some Christ-centered impact!Now <i>that</i> is some Christ-centered impact!Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58756437505766313342014-10-17T12:18:58.980-07:002014-10-17T12:18:58.980-07:00*Congrats on the granddaughter, Dan!
*Maybe Trevi...*Congrats on the granddaughter, Dan!<br /><br />*Maybe Trevin Wax has been too busy to notice that Driscoll has critics... although highly unlikely since he noticed his resignation. Driscoll's resignation is less noticeable than the output of his detractors.<br /><br />*Perhaps Angley is just upset that he didn't get to have pornographic visions like Driscoll.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68698835620483682182014-10-17T11:29:53.285-07:002014-10-17T11:29:53.285-07:00Butler FTW.Butler FTW.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-349725594432421782014-10-17T11:23:36.095-07:002014-10-17T11:23:36.095-07:00I'm redeeming the word "impact" as a...I'm redeeming the word "impact" as a verb for the glory of God and the Lordship of Christ over grammar. Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81560652220465133112014-10-17T10:28:12.590-07:002014-10-17T10:28:12.590-07:00Having been a long-time theological opponent of Do...Having been a long-time theological opponent of Doug Wilson (and continuing to be so until he renounces the Federal Visionism that he slyly pretends to differ with when the occasion warrants, while still embracing it -- sheesh)...<br /><br />I would abet his theoretical confidence that some Roman Catholics, for example, are saved, but without sacrificing the "precision" of the Gospel, which I'm confident a Precise God would not proclaim imprecisely -- as follows:<br /><br />1. Salvation is of the Lord, literally, through regeneration. Unless a man is born again he cannot even see the kingdom of God, let alone believe in the King.<br /><br />2. In keeping with #1 above, salvation is through REVELATION.<br /><br />That is, God reveals Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to the regenerate soul, and when He does so the regenerate soul cannot NOT believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior (hence biblical "irresistable grace", as opposed to the Arminians' straw man of "dragged kicking and screaming" used to argue against TULIP).<br /><br />3. Thus one can be truly born again, truly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and truly be justified (declared righteous), UPON HEARING THE TRUE GOSPEL OF THE DEATH (FOR OUR SINS), BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF THE LORD.<br /><br />4. After that true salvation, there are few heresies an unguided one cannot fall into under certain conditions, while remaining a saint (I'm not talking about outright apostasy, wherein one was never born again to begin with, of course, nor true antinomianism, where one has no interest in the will of God in one's life.)<br /><br />That's why it's so important for a believer to be TAUGHT rightly through the local church, and LEARN rightly through his own Bible studies (preferably both).<br /><br />5. ON THE OTHER HAND -- to add a little nuance, just to bug Dan :) -- we should neither have CONFIDENCE in the salvation of one who now teaches a false gospel, nor encourage that one to have confidence in their OWN salvation, if they persist in declaring that false gospel (even if the POSSIBILITY of previous salvation MAY have occurred).<br /><br />Conclusion: take seriously the Lord's command to not separate the wheat from the tares, but don't do away with the precision of the true gospel meanwhile.Terry Rayburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722632954331009294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56327728891575917092014-10-17T10:02:26.579-07:002014-10-17T10:02:26.579-07:00Liked Fred's piece on the new Christmas movie,...Liked Fred's piece on the new Christmas movie, but it was good in a saddening way. Trying to redefine history that has occurred outside the Bible isn't any better than redefining history that is in the Bible. It just leads people astray.<br /><br />The whole paedobaptism deal just sounds like people trying to justify their position without dealing with the black and white content and context of Scripture. I have the same issues with Covenant Theology and Amillenialism, and they all seem to stream together. Not that all people who believe one believe the other two, but that seems to be the norm.<br /><br />The whole mess with the mayor here is something we should expect to happen...and not just here. And as I have alluded to in the past, it is just a matter of time before Texas becomes the new California. The oil/energy industry and conservative economic policies will only serve as a mask for the social policies that are bound to come.<br /><br />Also, just wanted to say that I am in hearty agreement that there needs to be some recognition and attempt at apologies, forgiveness, and reconciliation with the whole Driscoll mess. It runs deeper than just Driscoll, though...they bring up this language of tribes instead of speaking of holiness and being ambassadors of Christ. That is really what the issue is. May we all repent when we do a poor job of representing Christ and walking according to His Word. In reality, we should be thankful that God gives us people to call us to repentance and point out our blind spots so that we may not continue in sin. I need those people in my life. Those with a large platform need that even more and need those people to have their first allegiance to God so that they do not bring dishonor to His Name.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987985549747283669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2320641388009898972014-10-17T09:53:47.948-07:002014-10-17T09:53:47.948-07:00So...who wrote Driscoll's resignation and the ...So...who wrote Driscoll's resignation and the board's letter? They are so obviously a remix of each other...<br /><br />Haven't read the whole post yet, but that letter from the board is just too echo-ey of Mark's letter that I had to say it out loud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75831888378485343782014-10-17T08:44:22.416-07:002014-10-17T08:44:22.416-07:00Stephen --
Let's be careful, since the most f...Stephen --<br /><br />Let's be careful, since the most fruitful mission field for the Mormons is the SBC.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-73495801657667066872014-10-17T07:32:29.107-07:002014-10-17T07:32:29.107-07:00Many congratulations on the new little lovely! I g...Many congratulations on the new little lovely! I gear grandparents get the better end of the deal :) JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03116405895683599572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74921897991477666932014-10-17T07:31:15.634-07:002014-10-17T07:31:15.634-07:00Is this why some of the biggest defectors to Rome ...Is this why some of the biggest defectors to Rome have come from the Presbyterian camp?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09799330997010353352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81730133880940687912014-10-17T07:21:07.576-07:002014-10-17T07:21:07.576-07:00Congratulations, Grandma and Grandpap(mom, dad, fa...Congratulations, Grandma and Grandpap(mom, dad, families both sides)!!! Pictures are precious ~ just love the beauty of Grandma and granddaughter. <br /><br />Texas. sermons. government. They know not what they ask to read...unto accountability. Go. for. it. Still? Many are online anyway ~ what's that they grumble behind closed doors, too convicting ~ backpedaling? That's right ~ that amendment and those that think it still applies. J♥Yce Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14974221921014132431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80529083761343462462014-10-17T06:33:48.712-07:002014-10-17T06:33:48.712-07:00Isn't it somewhat ironic that Wilson wants to ...Isn't it somewhat ironic that Wilson wants to include himself in those who believe in "justification by faith" as opposed to the RCC view of justification? Or maybe his own non-orthodox views of justification mean he is more sympathetic to the RCC? Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829373079009977409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53711477268723984802014-10-17T05:39:40.735-07:002014-10-17T05:39:40.735-07:00Ungh.<a href="http://bit.ly/1Di8CVl" rel="nofollow">Ungh</a>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69851162401729662452014-10-17T05:34:55.359-07:002014-10-17T05:34:55.359-07:00I found a couple books
Not sure about this one, bu...I found a couple books<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Blood-Grail-History-Shocking/dp/0385338457/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1413549194&sr=1-7&keywords=the+gospel+according+to+rome" rel="nofollow">Not sure about this one, but the title and description were attractive.</a><br />and<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-World-Tilting-Gospel-Embracing-Worldview/dp/0825439086" rel="nofollow">This one has an upside down guy so I actually thought it was a physics book, but the title sounds Bibley.</a>Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29780226048802710382014-10-17T05:33:55.520-07:002014-10-17T05:33:55.520-07:00...so far......so far...DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66270187341217964332014-10-17T05:30:33.898-07:002014-10-17T05:30:33.898-07:00Thank God there are no videos in this post which I...Thank God there are no videos in this post which I will rediscover in 3 weeks and then be accused on not reading this post to find them.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77193512062917499002014-10-17T05:27:47.355-07:002014-10-17T05:27:47.355-07:00Yeah, that'd be great, Michael.
So like this ...Yeah, that'd be great, Michael.<br /><br />So like this book might start with how God created man, then how man fell, and how extensive the damage of the Fall was? Then paint God's eternal plan of redemption, it's formation and execution, in the process laying out both a soteriology and a Christology? Then go into depth about how man "buys in," how he becomes a beneficiary of this plan? What regeneration is, and what faith and repentance mean, exactly? Talk about what justification means? Then show how all this radically transforms the person and his entire worldview, thus setting up to understand the lifestyle and behavior ("works") that flow from this transformation? And in that process, talk about the place of obedience, the work of the Holy Spirit, the obstacle of the flesh, and maybe even clear away some false teachings that trip people up? And write it in such away that it both contains a lot of material, but really just about anyone could read it and understand it?<br /><br />Yeah, that'd be great if someone wrote something like that. It could be useful, you'd think. It'd show up in all these discussions that are going on about law and grace, and all that. That'd be great.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-78419691690250170142014-10-17T05:13:23.357-07:002014-10-17T05:13:23.357-07:00After all, are they justified by faith, or by corr...<i>After all, are they justified by faith, or by correctness and precision?</i><br /><br />We are justified by a precise and correct faith.<br /><br />I've started typing so many sentences, but I don't even know what to say. This is SO BASIC, isn't it?<br /><br />I wish someone would write a book detailing the practical implications of faith so that we could see the difference between real and false faith.Michael Coughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151414777657994736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39991138511066462512014-10-17T04:08:56.309-07:002014-10-17T04:08:56.309-07:00Jones’ article on justification was truly one of t...Jones’ article on justification was truly one of the most stunning admissions yet from a Framian ‘Presbyterian.’ <br /><br />To understand the article, you must see not so much his view of baptism, which is standard for the less-informed ranks of Presbyterianism, as his ongoing debate over the interaction of law and gospel with more traditional (confessional) Reformed types - particularly R. Scott Clark. Jones’ definition of “antinomianism” has raised questions as to whether those who hold a Reformed doctrine of justification can escape the label. Clark has responded that antinomianism means the rejection of the Christian’s obligation to live morally according to divine law, but that this obligation is no part of justification, which cannot in any sense rest on our own works. <br /><br />And now, rather than affirm that of course this is what justification means and that of course when he rails against antinomianism he’s talking about something else, Jones has instead replied: “Justification by faith alone through grace alone? I guess. If you like that sort of thing. Whatever.” <br /><br />Wilson is of course rubbing his hands with glee, because perhaps if Presbyterians stop caring about the doctrine of justification, they’ll stop perceiving him as a Federal-Visionist heretic. <br /><br />So how does folly like this make its way into the respectable forum at Ref21? And from the keyboard of a PCA minister? I mean, they’re supposed to have <a href="http://www.opc.org/sc.html" rel="nofollow">confessional standards</a> which define things like justification as, “an act of God's free grace, wherein he pardoneth all our sins, and accepteth us as righteous in his sight, only for the righteousness of Christ imputed to us, and received by faith alone,” and faith as “a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon him alone for salvation, as he is offered to us in the gospel.” How did it get so complicated? <br /><br />Forgive me for galloping into the comment thread on my hobby horse, but this is what you get when you admire the <a href="http://chantrynotes.wordpress.com/tag/john-frame/" rel="nofollow"> epistemological system</a> of a thinker whose entire system is based upon the deconstruction of words and their meaning, you get to say things like “I believe in the Westminster Standards” <i>and at the same time</i> add, “’justification’ and ‘faith’ are a lot more complex than you think they are.”<br /><br />Is that what’s happening here? Mark Jones wrote a <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/shelf-life/systematic-theology-an-introduction.php" rel="nofollow"> somewhat uneven review</a> of Frame’s <i>Systematic Theology</i>, recognizing that Frame is anything but a systematic thinker. However, of his epistemological system, Jones wrote: “There are some notable high points in the book, especially his treatments of God's Word and epistemology.” And of course, Wilson endorsed Frame’s book - together with a number of other Federal-Visionists.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.com