tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post4887529412644987572..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Those Who Received His WordPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45251470061318643762013-01-12T07:41:57.276-08:002013-01-12T07:41:57.276-08:00@FrankTurk (cc: @JeremiahGreenwell)
Thank you for...@FrankTurk (cc: @JeremiahGreenwell)<br /><br />Thank you for replying to the content of my comment.<br /><br />(@JeremiahGreenwell: Though I can see how my own original comment didn't so much interact with the content of the post. Rather it questioned the necessity of the post altogether.)<br /><br />I think you are right, Frank, that since this event was so very public, and because the event had passed when the post was written, your post on the event was legit.<br /><br />My main concern (maybe because I pay too much attention to internet) is that I see far more criticism of professed believers (even those who specifically profess Christ crucified, not merely "Lord Lord, check out what I did") than I do local prayerfulness and edifying/sharpening conversation around the truth of the Gospel.<br /><br />I think I've read Pyro enough, Frank, to know that you do actually pray and share with those around you; that you don't just throw up a critical tweet or blog and think you've done your part.<br /><br />In the end, though, I'm not sure that critical posts actually accomplish much but to harden those who criticized or give ammo to those who are overly critical. Just look at all the comments to your post here. You were even handed, asking good questions, but many commenters have taken the next step into outright judgementalism.<br /><br />(i.e. @PaulReed: It's a false experience with false messages and false teachers and probably mostly false converts. OR @Bill: It has been pointed out that Passion 2013 is advertised as a "life-changing" event, did anyone bother to check if the Holy Spirit was on the list of speakers?)<br /><br />Consider, is it possible that more youths heard the truth of the Gospel and responded with repentance in the few moments that it was soundly preached amidst all the glitz, than those whose minds were swayed by the caution of a critical blog post?<br /><br />I tend to believe that it would be better to point to, highlight, lift up those few moments of Gospel light than criticize the light-show.<br /><br />Either/or? No. Both/and? Yep, exactly. But so far, I've only heard one side saying, "Passion Rocked!" and the other side saying, "Passion is an artificial experience."<br /><br />Again, thanks Frank for your response, and your email. I wanted to post here since I addressed others as well.<br /><br />The Lord Bless You & Keep You.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410113975800524686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19890324993653672382013-01-11T21:33:50.330-08:002013-01-11T21:33:50.330-08:00Sadly, entertainment has become a key element in t...Sadly, entertainment has become a key element in these types of gatherings. Blaring guitars, light shows, screaming fans, etc. There's a lot of hype, not unlike a secular rock concert, but was Christ worshipped and glorified among them? There may be some who attended this performance (that's how I look at it) with good intentions, but what was the end result? What is the end result of these kinds of hip evangelical concerts? I'd say many get charged up and excited, but this is no indication that it was anything more than a concert with the name and idea of Jesus attached to it. In the end, are those who come away motivated to deny themselves, take up their cross and follow Christ? Are they affected to the depth of their souls to love God and turn away from evil? I'm skeptical, but that's just me.Nonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02452040267177962781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76600217685924033022013-01-11T17:13:29.526-08:002013-01-11T17:13:29.526-08:00Sorry if this is late since I've been busy, bu...Sorry if this is late since I've been busy, but I did not want to appear dismissive; that wasn't the point.<br /><br />You were calling into question the motives of the writer of this blog on a comment after the blog had already been published about supposed assumptions; my comment was exactly what yours was turned on its head. It was a call to question your own motives, since your advice might have applied just as well to yourself, and for me to question mine as well. Apparently we're both just bad at saying what we actually mean to say.Jeremiah Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299973303636654588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21861192369680304552013-01-11T04:38:48.025-08:002013-01-11T04:38:48.025-08:00Jeremiah --
Sorry to have a life away from the bl...Jeremiah --<br /><br />Sorry to have a life away from the blog. I'm back.<br /><br />Here's what I would say to your first comment: the reason why that response to my tweet is infantile is that it assumes it's none of my business (and by "my business," I mean, "the business of any observer of the event who is also Christian") whether or not the activities at Passion2013 are (1) actually Christian, since that's what it claims to be, and (2) actually interesting in any way. You know: I didn't start tweeting about Passion: I responded to other tweets about the event.<br /><br />That should also answer your other question: the reason my tweet is not merely rude or hateful is that it's an honest question <i>based on the reputation and affirmations of the guy making the initial tweet.</i> The reply, "Let me explain: shut up," is just venom, and a tacit expression of an ugly kind of collectivism which is substituted for actual justification or discussion.<br /><br />There are really constructive replies to my tweet, and really vile ones. There are no replies possible to the tweet, "shut up, hater," and all its cognates.<br /><br />Does that help? If not, feel free to e-mail me at <br /><br />frank @ iturk . comFX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43484525341073776982013-01-10T07:51:59.147-08:002013-01-10T07:51:59.147-08:00I know I know...immediately after I hit the "...I know I know...immediately after I hit the "publish' button I was frantically looking for the "Doh!" Button.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50406010397260922422013-01-10T06:32:57.288-08:002013-01-10T06:32:57.288-08:00@Jeremiah: The problem with your suggestion is tha...@Jeremiah: The problem with your suggestion is that the conference is over. Now really is a good time for analyzing the probable effects of this conference, and whether it lives up to the hype.<br />The position being presented here is "no."Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153691056844224114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89606473356559848252013-01-10T06:24:13.955-08:002013-01-10T06:24:13.955-08:00@DJP
Again, you are correct. The hypothetical twe...@DJP<br /><br />Again, you are correct. The hypothetical tweets that I propose would have been "jerky, infantile non-response."<br /><br />But, now I have received two comments here at Pyro to my own comments. And, while neither have been particularly jerky or infantile, they have been non-responses.<br /><br />This is my last attempt to see if anyone here will interact with my thoughts with something other than a dismissive quip.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410113975800524686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-90457962387728069572013-01-10T06:22:58.279-08:002013-01-10T06:22:58.279-08:00I would like it to be known that I am not the othe...I would like it to be known that I am not the other two of me. Having accomplished nothing, I go back to my work.Jeremiah Halsteadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04794332604728189071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38298902746221474942013-01-10T05:56:59.735-08:002013-01-10T05:56:59.735-08:00Jeremiah, no doubt Bethke could have tweeted those...Jeremiah, no doubt Bethke could have tweeted those or any of a thousand other jerky, infantile non-responses. But why suggest that he would?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27710717246686804122013-01-10T05:11:44.749-08:002013-01-10T05:11:44.749-08:00I thought Wormwood was the nephew and Screwtape wa...I thought Wormwood was the nephew and Screwtape was the uncle, so he would probably say, "If life gives you melons you may be dyslexic."Kerry James Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083436735702873300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29798802985102884702013-01-10T04:22:29.708-08:002013-01-10T04:22:29.708-08:00@KJA's last paragraph here:
What would Uncle ...@KJA's last paragraph here:<br /><br />What would Uncle Wormwood say about that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71906713405940330972013-01-09T21:26:38.152-08:002013-01-09T21:26:38.152-08:00@JeremiahGreenwell
The point of my suggested repl...@JeremiahGreenwell<br /><br />The point of my suggested reply tweets is precisely that they would seem appropriate, or of like kind, to Frank's (i.e. unnecessarily combative or even rude).<br /><br />The fact that you would call my comment self-refuting proves my point. Both Frank's tweet and my hypothetical tweets are rude.<br /><br />Sometimes Frank and others serve the church well by calling a spade a spade. But other times, such as this one, would it not be better to pray that if/when the Gospel is presented well at Passion 2013 the students would repent and believe.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410113975800524686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42489118211573296452013-01-09T20:13:00.416-08:002013-01-09T20:13:00.416-08:00Wow! Comments about the One Star Hater AND the to...Wow! Comments about the One Star Hater AND the tone police! This is going to be a great series! Just waiting for Touchstone...Magister Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15507216978994361047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46219316475023202472013-01-09T20:06:05.726-08:002013-01-09T20:06:05.726-08:00Been to Promise Keepers and had many emotional hig...Been to Promise Keepers and had many emotional highs..... was saved years after the PK conferences.... We do need to be careful with the God showing up talk.Joe Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07227065467671149033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29236974533732460322013-01-09T19:36:26.120-08:002013-01-09T19:36:26.120-08:00Hey other me; you are the definition of self-refut...Hey other me; you are the definition of self-refuting.Jeremiah Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299973303636654588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69316248481248330452013-01-09T19:28:48.492-08:002013-01-09T19:28:48.492-08:00Don't you think Jeff could have tweeted,
&quo...Don't you think Jeff could have tweeted,<br /><br />"Why be a jerk, Frank?"<br /><br />or<br /><br />"Why pick a fight, Frank?"<br /><br />I'll be honest. I think you're probably right about most of what you wrote. But sometimes, just praying zealously for those 1,000s of students, quietly petitioning the Father, in a quiet place, on their behalf and on behalf of those who would preach to them is a better idea than being critical on Twitter or making a series of admitted assumptions in a blog post.Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410113975800524686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53401225931195474962013-01-09T19:21:14.719-08:002013-01-09T19:21:14.719-08:00Johnny,
Frank understood me, but evidently you do...Johnny,<br /><br />Frank understood me, but evidently you don't think he did. <br /><br />The Passion promotional literature says this about itself: <br /><br /><i>At the heart of it all, Passion exists to see a generation stake their lives on what matters most. For us, that's the fame of the One who rescues and restores, and the privilege we have to fully leverage our lives by amplifying His name in everything we do.<br /><br />Last year, our US gathering drew more than 40,000 students and leaders from around the world to the Georgia Dome in Atlanta. We were blown away by God's presence. Shattered and rebuilt by His Word. Challenged to the core. Repaired. Wrapped in love. Awakened to raise our voices for those who have no voice. </i><br /><br />And Frank's point seems to me to be, if 40,000 students and leaders were "blown away by God's presence, shattered and rebuilt by His word, challenged to the core, etc. etc." if all that had happened, someone, somewhere outside the stadium might have noticed, no?<br /><br />So by "past history," it is arguable that Passion doesn't deliver what it claims to have delivered. What it says happened last year is at best doubtful, since the results have not been what one would expect if such a great movement of God has occurred.<br /><br />Unless, of course, by "...blown away by God's presence. Shattered and rebuilt by His Word. Challenged to the core. Repaired. Wrapped in love. Awakened ..." all they mean is "we had a really great week with a lot of emotional highs."Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49347549696574045642013-01-09T18:29:22.997-08:002013-01-09T18:29:22.997-08:00solameanie,
I rather suspect the One Star Hater is...solameanie,<br />I rather suspect the One Star Hater is much like Spartacus. <br />Now, who is Crassus?Magister Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15507216978994361047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-27584600729968389522013-01-09T18:23:07.716-08:002013-01-09T18:23:07.716-08:00I am ashamed to admit that I still don't know ...I am ashamed to admit that I still don't know who "One Star Hater" is. I am so out of the loop these days. <br /><br />Aside from that aside, great post, Frank. More fodder as I continue to think through the issues of preaching, teaching, discipleship, repentance, what exactly IS a proper proclamation of the Gospel, decisionism etc. As long as I have been a believer and think I have even the basics figured out, some issue will arise and I have to think about it all over again. And that's really not a bad thing. Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17294760192649622102013-01-09T15:21:26.131-08:002013-01-09T15:21:26.131-08:00My question is this..
Is the Holy Spirit some kin...My question is this..<br /><br />Is the Holy Spirit some kind of invisible goop that fills a room and tickles our hearts when enough people are singing hard enough for long enough?<br />Or is he the third person of the ontological Trinity? <br /><br />Theres a difference right???(sarcasm) ad nauseumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13626727826601691345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31080266778160433472013-01-09T14:58:43.593-08:002013-01-09T14:58:43.593-08:00I'd still like to know what Mr. Chantry meant ...I'd still like to know what Mr. Chantry meant by "past record." James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19113472609245560522013-01-09T13:45:19.242-08:002013-01-09T13:45:19.242-08:00Mormon.Mormon.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-8179760227149420512013-01-09T13:34:00.093-08:002013-01-09T13:34:00.093-08:00Here ya go, Mark.<a href="https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5235705600/h45778EB4/" rel="nofollow">Here ya go, Mark</a>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56827915064976647762013-01-09T13:31:27.620-08:002013-01-09T13:31:27.620-08:00I got a burning in my bosom reading this post.I got a burning in my bosom reading this post.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410144337505012175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83812736411328583552013-01-09T13:28:19.887-08:002013-01-09T13:28:19.887-08:00Tom:
It's too long for a twitter post, but t...Tom: <br /><br />It's too long for a twitter post, but they could send Bibley things like this: <br /><br />Genesis 49:17<br />Dan will be a snake by the roadside, a viper along the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider tumbles backward.<br /><br />:)Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.com