tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5230702523801669158..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: What we confess as our sufficient, complete Bible: what's missing?Phil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42449753045665026412012-08-29T06:42:17.222-07:002012-08-29T06:42:17.222-07:00Thanks, comeetc. I don't mind your sharing the...Thanks, comeetc. I don't mind your sharing them. I'd just make a couple of comments.<br /><br />The point of the post is that leaky Canoneers insist that extrabiblical semirevelation is essential. I lay out what the Holy Spirit says the Bible does, and my point is that it provides everything we need to know and serve God.<br /><br />So you tell a story.<br /><br />Now the focus moves from Christ and the Word to you and your story. What was it? What to make of it? What was really going on there? Do I need that? Will it happen to me? Should I encourage the people under my care to seek, be open to, or expect such things?<br /><br />You see the effect, though certainly not intended by you?<br /><br />I'm glad you say you don't seek them and don't run your life by them. I'd also encourage you to ignore them. I wonder how many other hunches and passing thoughts you have had that have come to nothing, or been dead-wrong, that you aren't sharing. (Truly, I am not saying that accusingly; I just think that's the nature of the case, like I don't tend to tell long fishing stories that end up with no trout.)<br /><br />Folks who relate such stories almost invariably say, "Of course, it has to be tested by Scripture." Well, I say, How about testing the story itself by Scripture? Timothy and Titus tell these pastors how to run churches. Where's the part about being open to nonauthoritative mumbles from on high? Why was that left out?<br /><br />Because it's not a factor. Or it'd be there.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38958904560217282812012-08-28T17:58:27.629-07:002012-08-28T17:58:27.629-07:00DJP, I don't claim that these were, "... ...DJP, I don't claim that these were, "... essential needs not at all supplied by the Bible, without which you would have been unable to know and serve God?". <br />I didn't seek them, I saw them merely as gifts of God's grace to me. (What else could I call it when God condescends to speak to me or comfort me?) <br />Linda, I hear you, but I cannot pretend that they didn't happen, nor would I be comfortable crediting Satan with these thoughtful tokens from God. <br />I don't expect either (any) of you to try to see it through my eyes, because I agree that theology can't be shaped by the testimony of strangers. So, why did I bother saying anything at all? I don't know, maybe because it makes me uncomfortable to hear something stated as so absolute, when it isn't quite that simple. <br />I really want to note again, because Linda's post seems somewhat to accuse me of it again. That I absolutely do not, seek words or revelations from God outside of the Scriptures, I don't seek guidance this way, I don't live for experiences. All of these occasions have been unsolicited. Indeed that is the part that has always made them all the more surprising to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3872332595818894662012-08-20T12:42:09.661-07:002012-08-20T12:42:09.661-07:00The Bible didn't declare slavery to be wrong b...The Bible didn't declare slavery to be wrong because it's not wrong.<br /><br />Not only is slavery NOT wrong but we are ALL slaves. Either a slave to sin and death or a slave of Christ.<br /><br />Given the right Master, slavery is a wonderful thing.Bill Lonashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17659414097078373409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-21798623833691512772012-08-17T13:20:30.417-07:002012-08-17T13:20:30.417-07:00Pro 4:23 "Above all else, guard your heart, f...Pro 4:23 "Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life." Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38607020842990282352012-08-17T13:10:10.321-07:002012-08-17T13:10:10.321-07:00comeinfromtherain, these are all subjective to(you...comeinfromtherain, these are all subjective to(you)as real as they may be. So how do you know it was from God? It could have been from you or from Satan..It must be lined up with God's word. <br /><br />And you know, David Koresh could only offer the (same proof) as well and look where eventually it got him. This is why it's so dangerous. It's subtle and innocent. It's flurtatious and sensual incrementally leading us away from God's WORD.<br /><br />The word of God is solid truth. Messages and experiences outside of God's word are not solid objective facts -they are subjective ONLY to the individual. In fact even our individual testimonies as real as they are-are subjective. God's word is objective truth that has changed people's lives the (same way) in Christianity for almost 2000 years.<br /><br />And here's the thing, I am not disputing the fact that God is at work in our lives if we have truly been converted. There is the subjective side in- " Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us."-this is the emotional, experiential side of God's love(the HEART) that can lead and DOES lead MANY Christians astray.<br /><br />The real TEST is to see is if it lines up with God's Word. By testing our experiences, any messages or testimony to discover if we are being deceived or not. We MUST always appeal to God's word <br /><br />If I were the devil, this is exactly where I'd seduce Christians.. Satan hates God's word and will do ANYTHING to draw us away. God speaks to us through his word and it wells up in us for ex. "Trust in the Lord with all your heart"" and then we get excited and filled with His joy that his word really is living and active". Then Satan comes along and plays upon our(heartstrings) which is the seat of our emotions) to want MORE. He works incrementally to draw us away through seducing us with messages that sound true because they are coming to pass. But if we are not careful we fall for this and lust after the experience or the message MORE than God's word which is supposed to be our JOY and delight.. This is how slick he is. This is what leads many Christians down the path of mysticism.. Before you know it they are compromising God's word.. We MUST not let the subjective emotional, experiential part carry us away from God's WORD… This is extremely vital. This is what's happening to many Christians today. Before you know it they are following satan's voice <br /><br />"Test everything, hold onto the good; avoid every kind of evil"-1 Thess.5:21<br /><br />"Test the spirits to see if they are from God"-1 John 4:1<br />Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44074851482796261572012-08-17T12:27:31.761-07:002012-08-17T12:27:31.761-07:00Oh Michelle -(salt n light) you're just a swee...Oh Michelle -(salt n light) you're just a sweetheart..Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71687645038776937372012-08-17T10:34:43.068-07:002012-08-17T10:34:43.068-07:00THANK YOU for the closing sentence/question at the...THANK YOU for the closing sentence/question at the end of this post! I've wanted to ask so many Christian exactly that question.<br /><br />I've been in the in the Christian singles community and around singles ministries for over a decade now and it's scary but true that the #1 gauge of whether or not someone "has a relationship with God" is whether or not the receive direct personal revelation -- "that still small voice." No revelation-in-prayer = no date, no way. It's usually dismissed with some variant of: "I don't want someone who just knows *about* God, but someone actually *knows* Him, and not just the Bible." I can't tell you how many times I've been chided (or worse) because I don't "hear the sweet voice of the Lord" and don't "just sit and wait on His Presence" for special revelation in prayer time. It could just be me, but I would say that for at least 80-90% of practicing Evangelicals this practice has become *the* hallmark of a true "relationship" with God; without it no one will take your walk seriously. My church, too, recently tried incorporating a "time to wait on the voice of the Lord" (i.e., 4 minutes of mid-service silence).<br /><br />I'm was a loss on how to combat this, but then I realized that the burden of proof is not on us, but on those promoting the practice! Your question -- again, thank you -- is the perfect way to demand of them that they explain the justification and application for the practices they're peddling.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14830668431805592112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86260038374563926542012-08-17T06:06:09.828-07:002012-08-17T06:06:09.828-07:00And these were essential needs not at all supplied...And these were essential needs not at all supplied by the Bible, without which you would have been unable to know and serve God?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6002648082311277022012-08-16T21:56:44.197-07:002012-08-16T21:56:44.197-07:00... and yet when I was in danger of getting into a...... and yet when I was in danger of getting into an accident and was calling out to Jesus, He said to me, "I heard you." I wasn't requiring an answer from Him, He was under no obligation to answer my call in that manner, but He did. <br />When I was meditating on my bed, God spoke to me and said, "It's time to go to work". I wondered what that could mean. Several months later I understood. <br />When I was in my prayer closet praying at that moment for the apartment manager, God spoke to me and said, "Today" later that morning I found out that he had passed away in the night. <br />And there are more instances like these. <br />I don't say these things to convince you, I couldn't expect you to change your mind because of some claims by some stranger. <br />I'm just sayin'. for me it's just not as easy to pretend that it's all cut and dried. <br />(I do want to be clear that I don't seek "a word" for guidance, the Bible teaches that wisdom is the surest form of guidance).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47691598199537088802012-08-16T21:42:44.275-07:002012-08-16T21:42:44.275-07:00Peter: "So, basically, you should be nice to...<b>Peter</b>: <i>"So, basically, you should be nice to your slaves."</i><br /><br />Coincidentally, I found this comment on Denny Burk's comment thread on his post "How Complementarianism is a Gospel Issue":<br /><br />"Don, while I’ll agree that there are faithful gospel believing egalitarians, the Bible does CLEARLY teach male headship in marriage and the church. I’m sorry if that seems arrogant, but its true. <b>Equally clearly, the Bible teaches that being a slaveholder is acceptable for Christians as long as they treat their slaves justly and fairly.</b> And attacking the validity of the Bible’s teaching on anything, including slavery or complementarianism, is an attack on the authority of Scripture and iindirectly on its primary message, the gospel." (<b><a href="http://www.dennyburk.com/why-complementarianism-is-a-gospel-issue/#comment-115324" rel="nofollow">Nathan Stuller</a></b>)Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70141745083607438542012-08-16T21:39:01.311-07:002012-08-16T21:39:01.311-07:00Dan, one passage you may want to include is 2 Cor ...Dan, one passage you may want to include is 2 Cor 3:4-6<br /><br />HCSB<br />We have this kind of confidence toward God through Christ. 5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our competence is from God. 6 He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit produces life<br /><br />The New Covenant wasn't a mystery. It was plainly spelled out in the OT. What is it the Spirit does to make us competent ministers? He drives us into the Word which he authored.<br /><br />Plainly stated, if you do not embrace the sufficiency of God's word, you must believe God failed to finish His job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-59505194780777796202012-08-16T18:01:16.185-07:002012-08-16T18:01:16.185-07:00...and, by the way, you did completely ignore ever......and, by the way, you did completely ignore every word of the post.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89246106883968827272012-08-16T18:00:44.952-07:002012-08-16T18:00:44.952-07:00Since that verse can't mean either of those th...Since that verse can't mean either of those things, the point is moot.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69227428292539729312012-08-16T17:58:01.509-07:002012-08-16T17:58:01.509-07:00What's left out is I Cor 13:10... the verse th...What's left out is I Cor 13:10... the verse that tells us when spiritual gifts will cease: at our physical death or the bodily return of Christ. What does it say about a Christian who not only plays, but beats to death, the drum of Scriptural sufficiency, then has to conjure up a doctrine in contradiction to the sufficient testimony of Scripture?busdriver4jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263270384843913890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26924954240367219412012-08-16T16:50:25.798-07:002012-08-16T16:50:25.798-07:00"Forgive me if I've misunderstood your st..."Forgive me if I've misunderstood your statement but God does direct a man's steps."<br /><br />Ok.<br /><br />They're still my feet along with my thoughts and will He's using to bring about His purposes.<br /><br />I didn't deny God's sovereignty, I was simply pointing to the reality of the confusion of this present evil age we live in with this corrupt nature still clinging to us so that we can't always walk perfectly or know the exact right thing to do. Until I can walk in perfect faith I will never absolutely know if that what I am doing is right, and there's only one Man who's ever done that and I don't claim to be Him.Jeremiah Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299973303636654588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34143034757123929962012-08-16T16:31:35.907-07:002012-08-16T16:31:35.907-07:00@Jeremiah you said "Yes, it would be much eas...@Jeremiah you said "Yes, it would be much easier if God would simply take over our every step for us, but that just simply isn't reality, is it?"<br /><br />Forgive me if I've misunderstood your statement but God does direct a man's steps-<br /><br />Pro 20:24 "A man's steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?"<br /><br />Pro 16:9 "In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps."<br /> <br />"trust in the LORD with all our hearts and lean not on our own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge HIM and HE will direct your path"<br /><br />"Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will."-Romans 12:2.<br /><br />"Thy WORD is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path"-Psa 119:105<br /><br /><br /> Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91437258661582786482012-08-16T15:35:00.855-07:002012-08-16T15:35:00.855-07:00This is precious.
Someone one-starred a post that...<i>This is precious.<br /><br />Someone one-starred a post that is a simple re-wording of what the Bible says about itself, and a question as to whether it means something.</i><br /><br />Funny and sad at the same time. But an honest Charismatic response, actually.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11367012840719617546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63352775823927009442012-08-16T14:52:04.367-07:002012-08-16T14:52:04.367-07:00Soren, I really don't want to bang on you anym...Soren, I really don't want to bang on you anymore; I think there's been enough of that. But as a former soldier myself who prefers to simply have my orders handed to me and expect to carry them out, think of it this way: "Remember your training."<br /><br />God gives you His overarching objective for your life; "Bring Me glory." Does that mean you'll know where this road will lead you or that you'll never be surprised by the enemy or even betrayed by those who are supposed to be your allies? When you're going to clear a home you know what you need to do, but do you have any idea what will be on the other side of the door when you enter?<br /><br />It's not a matter of studying through everything you've learned right when to perform your duties; "remember your training," as in you have been equipped to handle this. You know well enough what needs to be done by God's word and the manner in which it should be done, it's simply a matter of watching and waiting for the opportunity, praying at all times in the spirit and trusting in God's providing hand.<br /><br />For instance, you see you need to provide for your family because that is the way that God has designed it to be; find a job and work it. There may be places that are preferable or places you clearly want to avoid, but there no mystery in the fact that you need to provide for your family. The only question is where and how, which will always depend on situations and what is wise and prudent, which the scripture is an all-sufficient guide for.<br /><br />And if you haven't been thoroughly equipped with a knowledge of scripture there's an easy way to rectify that: learn it. Study it. Get in a church that will encourage you to grow in godliness. Just like no one can ever prepare for the horrors of war you can never be prepared for everything, but don't use that as an excuse to neglect your fundamental knowledge of the things you need to know in order to fight this spiritual war we're in.<br /><br />Yes, it would be much easier if God would simply take over our every step for us, but that just simply isn't reality, is it?Jeremiah Greenwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299973303636654588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14678890967380815522012-08-16T14:45:56.130-07:002012-08-16T14:45:56.130-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50619904306850144112012-08-16T14:30:19.519-07:002012-08-16T14:30:19.519-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.O Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750356824524005920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6938296736018886132012-08-16T14:29:51.267-07:002012-08-16T14:29:51.267-07:00It seems to me that those who think that there is ...It seems to me that those who think that there is something missing are much like the disciples at the Last Supper. Jesus just finished telling them that He was leaving and that they could not follow now but that they would follow later and they knew the way. He had also told them to love one another as He has loved them and yet they jumped over all of that and asked "Where are you going?". Instead of taking in the teachings that were clear, they jumped over it in search of what was "missing" when in fact there was nothing missing. O Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06750356824524005920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-36063987691961925552012-08-16T14:27:26.586-07:002012-08-16T14:27:26.586-07:00"Look, I didn't mean to hijack the commen..."Look, I didn't mean to hijack the comments."-Pete<br /><br />Hijacking is wrong. Slavery is wrong, and it isn't wrong. But hijacking is wrong.<br /><br />I enjoyed the interaction myself with the subject of slavery and the Word. Good stuff to take in.<br /><br />Need to study up on it a bit more, with this pea brain of mine. donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61737899390495258932012-08-16T14:18:27.970-07:002012-08-16T14:18:27.970-07:00When I saw the volume of comments that erupted whi...When I saw the volume of comments that erupted while I was AFK, I found myself gravitating back towards simply closing comments on all my posts, or at least controversial ones. But then I saw that Peter was fully answered right away, and then over and over again.<br /><br />Well done, folks. Remember, <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2006/08/when-is-argument-over.html" rel="nofollow">just because someone doesn't admit it doesn't mean he hasn't been decisively answered</a>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53840859117039540552012-08-16T14:14:22.169-07:002012-08-16T14:14:22.169-07:00Every Charismatic without exception and by definit...Every Charismatic without exception and by definition disagrees with the post, DAC, in practice if not in theory.<br /><br />That you would say such a foolish thing only proves that you have not been paying attention -- which seems to be the perverse subagenda for virtually every one of your comments.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49726297741413787202012-08-16T14:13:35.122-07:002012-08-16T14:13:35.122-07:00Look, I didn't mean to hijack the comments.
...Look, I didn't mean to hijack the comments. <br /><br />I think Dan's post was supposed to be about Charismatics.<br /><br />(And Tom, I appreciate your thoughtful reply.) Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748522832373253115noreply@blogger.com