tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5235884469847310415..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: ElephantiasisPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger185125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70667866473696352432012-02-05T06:13:36.428-08:002012-02-05T06:13:36.428-08:00I don't want to get off-track here, but when I...I don't want to get off-track here, but when I read Thabiti Anyabwile's comments (addendum-post by Frank T) came across quite differently to my eyes. <br /><br />"So, when a conflict between two African American religious leaders takes place publicly, care must be taken not to walk into this troubled narrative..."<br /><br />"If you’re from outside the African-American community, think very long, hard, and carefully about ever calling some African Americans to take your position in defense against other African Americans." <br /><br />Sounds to me like: if the religious conflict is between two African American religious leaders, we non-African Americans are to stay out of it. Really? Even it if relates to scriptural truth? We are to have or voice no opinion?<br /><br />"It’s disastrous for everyone, and, frankly, you won’t begin to pay the deeper costs over the longer period that your African American friend will."<br /><br />Why? Because he'll be tainted due to his association with non-African Americans? What "deeper costs" does that African American face? Is it that an opponent within the African American community will inevitably play the "Uncle Tom" card if that person can be even loosely associated with what a white person says or thinks? I've seen this too often not to wonder.<br /><br />Please correct my error.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70382356656075971802012-02-03T14:06:24.247-08:002012-02-03T14:06:24.247-08:00The current message series at HBC is Big God, Smal...The current message series at HBC is Big God, Small Me. Is that One God in Three Persons or just one manifestation of God? I speak faith over this in the name of Jesus manifestation and declare to you that it is One God in Three Persons!JKylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870666585044057451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29529807605200564192012-02-03T13:57:32.982-08:002012-02-03T13:57:32.982-08:00I formerly appreciated Mac's preaching and act...I formerly appreciated Mac's preaching and actually think I got something beneficial out of it. Sadly, it was near the end of his run as a stable preacher and then the elephant showed up and smashed everything. One thing that should be interesting, in my opinion, is the fact that Mac has 70 or so pastors out there at his HBC Fellowship churches and not a one of them seemed to be competent enough to be ER participants. Another thing that strikes me as odd is that Luke and Landon showed up in the train about the time it seemed to have ventured off of the rails. Can anyone say cool dad?JKylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12870666585044057451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61960717528886523782012-02-03T10:26:11.834-08:002012-02-03T10:26:11.834-08:00@mwhenry: I beg to differ...
*waits for lightning...@mwhenry: I beg to differ...<br /><br />*waits for lightning to strike*<br /><br />Seriously, though, James White and Voddie Baucham just had a great discussion on this sort of thing between "white" and "black" Christians in the US:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4971" rel="nofollow">AOmin page</a><br /><a href="http://www.aomin.org/podcasts/20120202.mp3" rel="nofollow">direct podcast download</a><br /><br />It's worth a listen.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24159469923323640272012-02-03T10:09:13.388-08:002012-02-03T10:09:13.388-08:00Okay, Pyro team...bottomline, what would be your a...Okay, Pyro team...bottomline, what would be your advice to someone who is a member in a Harvest church? What if that someone was a pastor of a Harvest church? <br /><br />If I read between the lines (in this post and others about the issue), you seem to be saying that Harvest is not a good place for believers to be. Could you clarify? Thanks.Stephanie Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05166285448146925210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76248042554898329652012-02-03T10:02:09.761-08:002012-02-03T10:02:09.761-08:00Playing along with the race card game, and the sec...Playing along with the race card game, and the secular identity politics routine so soon come to the evangelical arena, I would like to identify myself.<br />I resent being called white, because I am "euro-american". I will have everyone know that my mixed heritage, in some generations having unknown ethnicity, should be well respected.<br />I am not middle aged, I am chronologically advanced. If you are not, you cannot disagree with me because, well, you can't see my perspective.<br />And God willing, it will be some time before I am "living impaired" and on the other side of the grass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83486713324958674372012-02-03T09:57:09.574-08:002012-02-03T09:57:09.574-08:00Yes but Mr. Turk you have those wonderful glasses!...Yes but Mr. Turk you have those wonderful glasses!! ;-) Thanks to Team Pyro for all that you do for folk like me!D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04085578775817393871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22335274086207458102012-02-03T09:29:44.305-08:002012-02-03T09:29:44.305-08:00I see it as a self-evident truth.I see it as a self-evident truth.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58007527025699295082012-02-03T08:53:48.715-08:002012-02-03T08:53:48.715-08:00Mr. Turk,
For fear of moving in the realm of ton...Mr. Turk, <br /><br />For fear of moving in the realm of tone police I am curious if you or anyone else on the team has expanded upon this thought you expressed @5:54am :<br /><br /><i> Let's please avoid, with low tolerance for exception, the idea that we can read the hearts of the men doing this. It doesn't make what they have done any worse to say that they have this vile motive or that vile motive, or this vile profession or that vile profession. In my view, if they are doing this in pristine innocence, it is plenty vile, plenty inexcusable, and they should repent of what they have actually done.<br /><br />Unless you have received a vision from the Holy Spirit (like a video or something) which exposes the vile motive you are proposing, and have a signed confession from the motive-bearer, keep the discussion to what is done rather than what is perceived or implied regarding motives.<br /><br />You can do it. You're that clever. Whoever "you" are.</i><br /><br />I think this is something we all need to be mindful of in this era of rapid and instant feedback about any given subject. Words on the screen jump out at us all in different ways and we find ourselves engaging with others as with we know them in ways that are not possible many times. It is difficult to avoid sometimes but I have to constantly remind myself to focus on the issue, the topic, the disagreement vice someone's heart.D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04085578775817393871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91812139719256281512012-02-02T15:37:46.099-08:002012-02-02T15:37:46.099-08:00Tom Chantry-"Whether or not that is his inten...Tom Chantry-"Whether or not that is his intent (and honestly, can we know) he is ignoring the advice given in advance of ER2 by Pastor Anyabwile:"<br /><br />Thanks Tom for your gentle correctionLindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87187939188240953842012-02-02T14:45:47.281-08:002012-02-02T14:45:47.281-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Publican_Chesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00172700391145919870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-43463730424004505012012-02-02T14:40:53.678-08:002012-02-02T14:40:53.678-08:00Oops. Didn't see that Frank answered
the ques...Oops. Didn't see that Frank answered<br />the question. Thanks.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22139044964721522652012-02-02T14:37:29.498-08:002012-02-02T14:37:29.498-08:00D.C. - Admittedly it was a cryptic statement, esp....D.C. - Admittedly it was a cryptic statement, esp. since I was referring to the meeting after the ER.<br /><br />I meant that, if Obama loses, there will be a lot of voices saying that white people voted against him because of his race, not his policies.jmbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07164857192077648887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7609406921146403842012-02-02T11:43:46.807-08:002012-02-02T11:43:46.807-08:00That is literally one of the most frustrating thin...That is literally one of the most frustrating things I've ever seen. Thank you for your post, I couldn't agree more. To say that people like Thabiti Anyabwile and Voddie Baucham or just sucking up to whitey and their concerns are invalid because they aren't really black or something is just beyond words.....so, so frustrating.Caleb Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03497828632523719198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-65978475973252831662012-02-02T10:30:53.037-08:002012-02-02T10:30:53.037-08:00Frank,
Thanks. I hope that if President Obama los...Frank,<br /><br />Thanks. I hope that if President Obama loses the nation will not be branded as racist and if he wins the nation will not be branded as the next USSR. ;-)D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04085578775817393871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12917395938469752702012-02-02T09:31:21.103-08:002012-02-02T09:31:21.103-08:00D.C. -
It means that if Obama loses the election,...D.C. -<br /><br />It means that if Obama loses the election, obviously America is racist.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35902923443410664192012-02-02T08:56:24.845-08:002012-02-02T08:56:24.845-08:00MacDonald has become a guy screaming "stop th...MacDonald has become a guy screaming "stop the attacks" while holding a six gun in each hand and blasting away at anyone that isn't 100% with him.<br /><br />I'm washing my hands and moving on.The Damerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08393936800227282813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-16074164531648535722012-02-02T07:29:56.899-08:002012-02-02T07:29:56.899-08:00Way way up in this thread at 8:09 AM Feb 1, DLP ma...Way way up in this thread at 8:09 AM Feb 1, DLP made the excellent statement:<br /><i><br />The real problem is that a false teacher was given false credibility, and then the giver refused to take responsibility for his foolish actions (and inactions), then hid behind a blustery cloud of claimed "racism."<br /></i><br />Well said DLP. <br /><br />"blustery cloud" -- so true, so disappointing, SO AGAIN!<br /><br />There was a lot of concern among his sheep (such as me) when MacDonald and his elders allowed the "I see things" bedding expert Driscoll to fill the pulpit at HBC during the weekend of April 2/3, 2011. <br /><br />On April 17 during a "heart to heart" (church matter talk) portion of the weekend service, MacDonald thrashed the sheep "critics" in his congregation, using Titus 1:12 to claim they were "lazy gluttons" -- people who come to church only to be spiritually fed, fed fed but dont serve at the church so these sheep use their idle time to wrongly criticize the leadership.<br /><br />Adding "blustery clouds of claimed racism' to "blustery clouds of claimed lazy gluttons" leads to quite a storm.<br /><br />Not for sure when the blustery clouds started to occur at HBC but the sky seemed somewhat blue when Joe Sowell and sons were still on HBC staff about 3 years ago. <br /><br />The downward transformation at HBC from the solid, reputable pulpit filling by Sowell 3 years ago to Driscoll in April 2011, to Furtick in August 2011 has been a stunning to say the least from my perspective in the bleachers. Will it be Jakes in 2012? Wait and See. Ha.<br /><br />Anyway, the Race card was preceded by the Nazi card which was preceded by the Lazy Glutton card. <br /><br />You are loved!rom623rom828https://www.blogger.com/profile/12218793043467137920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44844019221969425552012-02-02T07:09:47.231-08:002012-02-02T07:09:47.231-08:00James is using the 3 black men at the table
Wheth...<i>James is using the 3 black men at the table</i><br /><br />Whether or not that is his intent (and honestly, can we know) he is ignoring the advice given in advance of ER2 by Pastor Anyabwile:<br /><br /><i>If you’re from outside the African-American community, think very long, hard, and carefully about ever calling some African Americans to take your position in defense against other African Americans.</i><br /><br />Don't miss the link in Frank's Addendum 1 (still waiting for the second, Frank...). That article lays out (in advance) the necessary context to this video.Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71314096330103975462012-02-02T06:50:47.392-08:002012-02-02T06:50:47.392-08:00Ok I have to ask JMB, what do you mean by this com...Ok I have to ask JMB, what do you mean by this comment:<br /><br /><b> If Obama loses the election, we can expect to hear Elephant Room Rhetoric Redux. </b>D. C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04085578775817393871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50468537255599175132012-02-02T06:47:20.698-08:002012-02-02T06:47:20.698-08:00CR said-"The irony is that these three black ...CR said-"The irony is that these three black pastors are accusing men like Anyabwile and Baucham of being used as props by old white guys while they are ostensibly doing the same thing!"<br /><br />James is using the 3 black men at the tableLindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09418337100329537312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80700305417719643252012-02-02T05:23:42.136-08:002012-02-02T05:23:42.136-08:00Well, the "Nazi" card may have been play...Well, the "Nazi" card may have been played already, but we really have one more level to go to... no one's been called a "Hitler" yet!Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89496457941733110142012-02-01T23:52:17.645-08:002012-02-01T23:52:17.645-08:00The only thing that was lacking in this meta (besi...The only thing that was lacking in this meta (besides a reference to Pyro I) was a link to <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2012/02/gnosticism-nicea-and-celebrity.php" rel="nofollow">Carl Trueman's comments</a>.Matt Gummhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698469400042045105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5238818137480635332012-02-01T21:57:13.695-08:002012-02-01T21:57:13.695-08:00Chad Vegas removed his post...missed it!Chad Vegas removed his post...missed it!norqvaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14507896125521630628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62859083364098016182012-02-01T21:39:12.892-08:002012-02-01T21:39:12.892-08:00"after being confronted by a black Christian ..."after being confronted by a black Christian on his and other white Christians silence..."CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01912897040503058967noreply@blogger.com